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Old 01-30-2011, 09:52 PM   #1
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Black Magic or EBC Yellow

I know both brands are good, but there has got to be someone out there who has run both pads on their Jeep that had the same setup when they ran the pads. Which ones were better and what kind of mileage did you get out of them? I know this is specific, but there has to be someone who has run both and not just one type or another.

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I tried ordering some black magic a few weeks ago and they were out of stock. Hope they get them again.
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I tried ordering some black magic a few weeks ago and they were out of stock. Hope they get them again.
Ditto. I e-mailed the brake guy back around Thanksgiving and was told mid December before they get more.

I'm ready for brakes now.
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:07 AM   #6
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I have the EBC yellow stuff up front and they grab hard, havnt had them too long yet but the stopping difference is waaaaay better now
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Go with the Black Magic pads from Savvy, email mrblaine@savvyoffroad.com for them. The EBC Yellow Stuff pads are awesome and they were the ultimate pad for years and the choice for Vanco's brake kits but Vanco and Savvy (mrblaine actually) discovered the Black Magic pads that are even better. I'm running the Black Magic pads with my 35" tires and they are pretty darned amazing brake pads. Quiet too!
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Thanks. I emailed Mr. Blaine, but I am concerned that he will not have any is stock as many people on the different forums have been waiting for them to be in stock for months.
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Go with the Black Magic pads from Savvy, email mrblaine@savvyoffroad.com for them. The EBC Yellow Stuff pads are awesome and they were the ultimate pad for years and the choice for Vanco's brake kits but Vanco and Savvy (mrblaine actually) discovered the Black Magic pads that are even better. I'm running the Black Magic pads with my 35" tires and they are pretty darned amazing brake pads. Quiet too!
Do they dust things up, or is it not a concern?
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Old 02-01-2011, 08:25 AM   #10
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Yeah they are dusty but for brakes like this, who cares?
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i emailed blaine about a month and half ago about brake pads and rotors and still no response from the guy.
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I would email him again, hell I know the guy and sometimes I don't get an answer. He is like me there is right now and maybe later. That's it.
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Yeah they are dusty but for brakes like this, who cares?
Maybe it's just my wheel design but I don't notice any increased dust level from having gone to the Black Magic pads.

Also, I was at Blaine's house Sunday and I think I heard they had a fresh shipment of brake pads and rotors coming in. Plus he has been busting his *** to get a few big projects out and working on them 7 days a week so I know he's been pretty busy.
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It might be the fact that I was driving about 400 miles a week for a while that gave me a good coating of dust...
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Being as I am in outside sales and just about live in my Jeep, I drive my jeep 400-600 miles a week so it's probably not that.

P.S. I just spoke to Blaine a few minutes ago and says he said the Black Magic brake pads are due in by the end of this week. He has a special going on right now where if you give him a 50 percent deposit now you get a worthwhile discount.
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I heard back from Mr. Blaine and he said the pads are in, but he is out until next week. Hopefully I will have some pads soon.
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I heard back from Mr. Blaine and he said the pads are in, but he is out until next week. Hopefully I will have some pads soon.
Yep he's at the King of the Hammers event out in Johnson Valley, the final/main race event was Friday. Where I was planning on being until I figured out I couldn't take the time off from work. Dang!
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Got my pads. Now I just need to wait until these pads are dead and change out the rotors too.
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No need to change the rotors unless they measure thinner than the minimum thickness spec that is on the edge of the rotor. At the most you can have them resurfaced. Or change them if you have a '97 to '98 (maybe '99 too) TJ that came with light weight composite rotors that tend to warp way too easily.
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January 2000 TJ so it would have been made with 1999 parts. I have already read the stories of different rotors on different years not matching up so I am not sure which rotors I have. I will have to measure one of the rotors when I pull it off to get turned to see how high the top is above the bottom. The measurements of the rotors are respectively .931" & .927. Nominal thickness is .944" and the lower limit is .894". I would like to get them resurfaced before I put on the brake pads, but I will need to see if I can keep them below the lower limit.
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Mid-year '99 and newer TJs all have the newer dimension non-composite rotors. Since yours is a 2000, that it was actually made in '99 really doesn't matter.

If your rotors haven't been machined before, they won't even be close to the limit for machining.
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I am pretty sure they have not been turned, but I am not totally sure as I have only owned this Jeep for about a year. I need to get some time to pull it off and turn it on my lathe. There are not any deep gouges that I remember. Thanks for your help and I like your Jeep picture, but I also like the eye patch too.
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I got my Black Magic pads on Friday along with some rear pads. I will install this week hopefully they will live up to the positive reviews I have been reading. They look like some good quality pads,
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I switched to ebc Yellow pads and they are night and day. I have started some brake testing, but I have not got around to testing the ebc to compare the data. I can say that lockup was not possible, but they I switched to ebc slotted rotors with they yellow pads. Before you laugh at the slotted rotors, hear me out. My last rotors had massive record grooves in them. If the pads line up perfectly with the grooves, then great, more contact, but if they don't then its MUCH worse. With slots they clean the pad to keep the rotor wear flat through the life of the rotor. Lockup is so easy that it will make data collection a bit trickier because I will have to modulate pedal input to control lockup. Sure they dust up the wheels more than ceramic pads, but any good pad will dust up the wheels.
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The slots are there to give the gasses created by hot pads a place to get out so the pads don't float on the gas and not make contact with the rotor. That's it but whatever works for ya!
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The slots are there to give the gasses created by hot pads a place to get out so the pads don't float on the gas and not make contact with the rotor. That's it but whatever works for ya!
Today's pads do not outgas like they did 20 years ago. The slots sweep the pads clean and level with the rotor. On my last rotors there were deep grooves, thicker than your fingernail.
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Today's pads do not outgas like they did 20 years ago. The slots sweep the pads clean and level with the rotor. On my last rotors there were deep grooves, thicker than your fingernail.
X2 on pads no longer outgassing. Slots, cross-drilled holes, and dimples in rotors are about as useful on Jeeps as ***s on a bull are.
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You missed the point, but I would expect nothing less from you. Keep pitching your buddies products. Savvy didn't sell you the shop rig at a super discount for nothing!
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I missed the pitch myself, what was it? Oh that slots don't do shit on a Jeep?
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I just got around to putting these pads on my Jeep. I used the stock rotors which I was told by Jerry would be fine to use and they stop considerably better than the other pads. I run 31s and although I have not really got on them except for the break in required I do notice a difference in the amount of pressure I need to apply to stop the Jeep. At $115 shipped they were expensive, but worth the money in my opinion. I look forward to seeing how they work with the 33s in my future. I will post more updates as they get broken in.

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