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Old 11-27-2009, 05:36 AM   #1
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body lift?

im a new jeep owner and i was wondering what are the cons to having a body lift? i have a 98 sahara with a 4 in body lift and the jeep is all over the road at 35mph+.. does the lift have anything to do with the jeep being all over the road? driving is quite scary..

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Old 11-27-2009, 07:55 AM   #2
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4in body lift????

Wow, it's a general concensus that anything over 2" is not good. Do you have a stock suspension?

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Old 11-27-2009, 11:15 AM   #3
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haha maybe thats why his Jeep is all over the road
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:27 AM   #4
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I had a friend whos CJ would wander terribly at anything over 30 mph. It turned out the steering damper shock was knocked out of location from a previous hit, and needed to be removed and repositioned.
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Old 11-27-2009, 05:18 PM   #5
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a pro: easy way to clear taller tires and get a little more flex when you're off roading.
a con: 4" puts your tub up pretty high. there are 11 bolts that are keeping your tub connected to the frame. the longer those bolts are from the tub and frame, the more stress they're gonna withstand and after some extreme pressure they might give...hopefully you've got grade 8's in there holding ya up
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Old 11-27-2009, 07:33 PM   #6
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i have after market suspension but im not sure what kind. the guy i bought it off bought the jeep from an auction and then he had to put in a rear transfer case. thats for the 4 wheel drive correct?? also the rear passenger side shock is broke along the trailing arm. i need to replace that asap..does the steering damper shock have anything to do with the weening noise under the steering wheel when i turn? also what are grade 8's??
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It sounds like you have multiple problems. I'd fix the obvoisly broken shock to start with. That may be whats causing the instability. If that doesn't fix the issue, then I'd look deeper, like the steering damper.

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Old 11-27-2009, 08:42 PM   #8
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This thread has gone from bad to worse. Body lifts don't do jack for driving characteristics. Steering stabilizers don't do jack for driving characteristics.

Broken shocks can cause your problems. Fix it like suggested and start from there.

The wheening noise is probably the steering pump taking the strain from turning larger tires. Or it could be the rubber boot on the fire wall making contact with the steering shaft.
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Old 11-27-2009, 09:56 PM   #9
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so what your saying is that my body lift has nothing todo with my jeep being all over the road??cause i was wondering if i should remove them if possible or keep them on?i really dont want to take them off if i dont have to..
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:17 PM   #10
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ya the lift probably has nothing to do with handling issues when you're driving normally that you're discribing. the whinning noise when you steer, does that show up when you first start driving in the morning/ when its cold? i use to get that all the time in the winter, on cold starts i'd get that weening noise, simple solution is to spray some wd40, Pb blaster, or what i did was throw some grease on the shaft joint write before the firewall.
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:33 PM   #11
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the rubber seal against the fire wall for the steering rod is pushed threw fhe fire wall but i listened to that and it doesnt seem to be the problem.it seems to be coming right inside the jeep from the steering wheel..it doesnt matter if its cold or warm, the jeep always makes that weening noise. anyone know what i could be?
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4" of body lift cant really be safe either
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:00 AM   #13
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ok i dont see any big screws or bolts coming off my body lift. how do i know if i got grade 8's?? i dont see any long screws so i guess thats a good thing right??
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On the head of the bolt "top" it will have markings to label the grade of the bolt.

Smooth no lines....less than grade 5 bolt.
3 lines on the head....grade 5 bolt.
6 lines on the head.... grade 8 bolt.
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Here is a picture to help...



◦0 lines = Grade 2
◦3 lines = Grade 5
◦5 lines = Grade 7
◦6 lines = Grade 8
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The Bolts you are looking for will be going through the body bushings/body lift pucks.
As seen here....

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Old 11-28-2009, 01:26 AM   #17
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ok i have grade 5. should i up grade to grade 8 and how much of a hassel would it be? im new to jeeps
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:35 AM   #18
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ok i have grade 5. should i up grade to grade 8 and how much of a hassel would it be? im new to jeeps
I wouldnt really worry about it, most kits come with grade 3/5 and I have grade 5 and never had a problem

not worth the price I bet it will be 45-65 dollars to buy heavy duty grade 8 bolts

+ it is a lot of work getting those old bolts out and putting new ones in because of rust and water and whatnot seizing them up
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:50 AM   #19
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how do i measure my bl exactly?
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I believe there are spacers between your tub and frame right on the side, they should look like hockey pucks. measure those.
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:10 AM   #21
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And personally id upgrade to grade 8 if you decide to keep them...especially if theres rust in them. Theres a huge difference in grade 5 and 8 and $60 isnt asking much for my safety.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:53 AM   #22
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how do i measure my bl? so i know exactly how much of a lift i have on the jeep? the guy i bought it off of told me 4 in bl, but i think its less..
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go between your front and rear tires and take a picture below the tub. As in act like youre trying to get into your passenger side door, kneel and take a picture. I wouldnt doubt you dont have 4" of BL, you probably had some suspension lift if you had anything more. And from the looks of your picture unzoomed in, your Jeep doenst even look like its lifted much.
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:52 PM   #24
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im unable to upload pictures,, i can only upload through the avatar.. any advice?
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to upload a pic... go to the bottom of the page and there's a quick reply box, at the bottom of that box is a "go advanced" button, click that. then at the top of the next box, you'll have a bunch of options, click the paper clip "attachements" , a small pop up will show up and you can upload your pics from there, then to insert them just click the paper clip again and select the right image. GL!
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:32 PM   #26
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thanks guys this forum is very helpful. i figured it out. 4in body lift, i think im guna down size or remove completely..
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how can it be a 4 inch bl .... they dont even make em
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how can it be a 4 inch bl .... they dont even make em
Cleared it up with him in another thread bud. It isn't a 4'' bl.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:10 PM   #29
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figured out its a 2in bl, i was told to measure somewhere else first. thanks guys
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I have a 3" BL. and a 4" Suspension. Although I honestly don't like BL's... I've had no problems with it effecting my drive. If I remember right, I'm sitting on grade 5 bolts. No don't get me wrong. I agree that grade 8's are a safer route. But, I've also beat the fire outta mine Jeep. I've even jumped it with all 4 wheels over 2 foot off the ground. It's just my opinion, but if you hit something hard enough to break all the bolts off your body lift, your gonna be dead whether you got grade 8's or not. I would however do routine maintenance on the BL. At least once a year I double check and tighten all body bolts. I time it the same month as my birthday... just easier to remember the year mark that way, but pick your own method. I also grease fittings and such at time. As far as being all over the road, Sometimes a BL comes with an extended Pitman Arm. This drops the arm to the stock height for the steering components. You can measure your Pitman Arm and measure a stock one to compare. Check for worn bushings and upgrade to Poly's when they need replacing.

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