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Old 11-03-2011, 08:26 PM   #1
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BTF Front Sport Cage installed.

The wife bought me the front cage kit from BTF for my Bday. Dropped it off at the shop the other day and had it all welded up.
Just showing off, lol.

Hopefully I'll get to use it soon...if you know what I mean





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cool. you going to paint it?

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Yeah I'm gonna have to pull the whole thing out before the weather turns real cold and try to get a coat on it before the rust starts. I kinda like the raw metal, maybe I'll just clean it up and clear it, lol.
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how much did they charge you to weld that?
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$300. It was about 5-6 hours of mocking, tacking, welding.
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Looks good I would paint it red like the jeep.
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Do the arms that go down along the dash go all the way to the floor? Pics of that area?
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The arms do go all the way to the floor.

BTF Jeep TJ Full Cage Kit :: Blue Torch Fab

The picture shows the full cage, but same arms on sport cage.
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Looks great! I wouldn't spray clear coat on the bare metal though since it will still rust and corrode underneath in spider web lines and look tacky. You could have it clear powder coat though and that would seal it perfect.

I wanted to keep a bare metal look too but decided in the end to just paint it. I agree that the bare metal does look awesome when fabricating and building.
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Don't show it to Blaine, he'll go off about the a-pillar bolts to the dash mounts instead of an actuall tube through the dash... My cage is the same way that yours is, I've not yet rolled though, so I can't say if the design works well or not in a roll over, but Blaine says we will get squashed if we roll....
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Do the arms that go down along the dash go all the way to the floor? Pics of that area?
Yes the arms go all the way to the floor where there is a mounting plate with 2 holes on both sides. Some grade 8 bolts and your set.
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Looks great! I wouldn't spray clear coat on the bare metal though since it will still rust and corrode underneath in spider web lines and look tacky. You could have it clear powder coat though and that would seal it perfect.

I wanted to keep a bare metal look too but decided in the end to just paint it. I agree that the bare metal does look awesome when fabricating and building.
I will end up painting it...most likely will pull the whole thing out and rattle can it black. The rest of the interior will be black whenever I get around to bedlining it. But yea the raw metal look is awesome.

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Don't show it to Blaine, he'll go off about the a-pillar bolts to the dash mounts instead of an actuall tube through the dash... My cage is the same way that yours is, I've not yet rolled though, so I can't say if the design works well or not in a roll over, but Blaine says we will get squashed if we roll....

Whatever, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one. I don't see why it would be SO inferior to a tube. The metal is 3/8" thick flat stock that has probably twice the amount of surface area than a tube. And it mounts to the same area in same manner.
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I will end up painting it...most likely will pull the whole thing out and rattle can it black. The rest of the interior will be black whenever I get around to bedlining it. But yea the raw metal look is awesome.

Whatever, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one. I don't see why it would be SO inferior to a tube. The metal is 3/8" thick flat stock that has probably twice the amount of surface area than a tube. And it mounts to the same area in same manner.
A factory cage is pretty strong to begin with, add some more a pillar support and dash bars and you add to that. Unless you roll down a cliff youll be okay.
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A factory cage is pretty strong to begin with, add some more a pillar support and dash bars and you add to that. Unless you roll down a cliff youll be okay.
Exactly what I was thinking. Besides I don't think high profile fab companies would be making/selling these things if they were just prone to failure.
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Whatever, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one. I don't see why it would be SO inferior to a tube. The metal is 3/8" thick flat stock that has probably twice the amount of surface area than a tube. And it mounts to the same area in same manner.
I'm not knocking it, just giving you heads up. Like I said, I run a very similar cage myself. I personally feel it it way stronger than the factory cage, so I'm happy with mine. I have seen what the factory roll bars will do in a roll over, and that is fold and bend, and it wasn't pretty... my buddy is missing a bunch of bone in his shoulder and is held together mostly by metal pins now... he got cut off on the highway, swerved to the shoulder, went of into the grass where a tire dug in and caused him to roll over... the factory cage completely collapsed around him. I'm pretty certain that my cage wouldn't do that, and yours prolly wouldn't either, but Blaine says the front mounts that bolt to the dash will flex/bend/collapse if rolled, he doesn't like the design at all.
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I'm not knocking it, just giving you heads up. Like I said, I run a very similar cage myself. I personally feel it it way stronger than the factory cage, so I'm happy with mine. I have seen what the factory roll bars will do in a roll over, and that is fold and bend, and it wasn't pretty... my buddy is missing a bunch of bone in his shoulder and is held together mostly by metal pins now... he got cut off on the highway, swerved to the shoulder, went of into the grass where a tire dug in and caused him to roll over... the factory cage completely collapsed around him. I'm pretty certain that my cage wouldn't do that, and yours prolly wouldn't either, but Blaine says the front mounts that bolt to the dash will flex/bend/collapse if rolled, he doesn't like the design at all.
Blaine has a huge ego too. We all dont wheel in the harshest terrain on the planet, sure its not as strong as a full chromoly cage, or going through the dash. But compare what happebed to your friend if he was in a XJ. Atleast he survived and walked away, most flops on the trail just put you on your side or back, not tumbling or hitting the ground at 45 mph.
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Blaine has a huge ego too. We all dont wheel in the harshest terrain on the planet, sure its not as strong as a full chromoly cage, or going through the dash. But compare what happebed to your friend if he was in a XJ. Atleast he survived and walked away, most flops on the trail just put you on your side or back, not tumbling or hitting the ground at 45 mph.
Blaine is pretty smart, and he builds and designs some nice stuff, he just looks at things from a unique angle sometimes that the rest of us don't see. He's not the only designer builder in the Jeep world though, and there are other views and opinions that I feel hold equal weight to him. I have seen that he doesn't like the design of the Op's A pillar mount, the same style I run as well. I've never rolled my Jeep though, so I don't have a clue as to how it would perform, but I trust that it would do better than the factory stock cage.
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Blaine is pretty smart, and he builds and designs some nice stuff, he just looks at things from a unique angle sometimes that the rest of us don't see. He's not the only designer builder in the Jeep world though, and there are other views and opinions that I feel hold equal weight to him. I have seen that he doesn't like the design of the Op's A pillar mount, the same style I run as well. I've never rolled my Jeep though, so I don't have a clue as to how it would perform, but I trust that it would do better than the factory stock cage.
I agree he is smart and a talented fabricator no doubt, but because someone may not be as hardcore as he is, he doesnt see the other side, the guys who wheel for fun in the woods where steel or aluminum doesnt matter, people arent as a serious as he is, and I just feel he looks down on those and products that arent his as inferior. I just have a problem with cocky attitudes.
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I agree he is smart and a talented fabricator no doubt, but because someone may not be as hardcore as he is, he doesnt see the other side, the guys who wheel for fun in the woods where steel or aluminum doesnt matter, people arent as a serious as he is, and I just feel he looks down on those and products that arent his as inferior. I just have a problem with cocky attitudes.
Well considering that he got tired of argueing with me and put me on ignore, and posted the fact online, I'd say I'm able to get under his skin, and I don't find him to be too cocky, just narrow minded. He does what works well for him for where he wheels, and that's the only picture he can see... I do what works for me for where I wheel, and lots of other folks do what works for them where they wheel. I go out wheeling, and if I get stuck, then I try to figure out why, and I build to prevent it from sticking me again. If something breaks when I'm wheeling, I upgrade it so it doesn't happen again... until the next part fails
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after the tons of arguing that he does in posts about other peoples cage designs, when it came time for him to build his own he didn't follow much of his own advice.

but anyway, good cage you've got there KBR
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I agree on all accounts! Seems like we have many similar minded folks around here

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Not everybody can afford a $1000 roll cage.
I agree, but if you roll and kill yourself, then you won't be able to afford anything, including being able to wheel another day, or getting to watch your kids grow up.... Some stuff can be cheaped out... using factory axles and junk yard trail parts works well for a friend of mine, but he has an upgraded roll cage. It would kinda seem silly to spend money on an upgraded cage, but wheel on stock axles, but he has 2 kids, and a Wife to take care of, and he can do that better alive then dead. I'm a cheep skate when it comes to my build, I'd rather wait till a part breaks and then upgrade it... but some parts are worth buying before you need them.
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I agree, but if you roll and kill yourself, then you won't be able to afford anything, including being able to wheel another day, or getting to watch your kids grow up.... Some stuff can be cheaped out... using factory axles and junk yard trail parts works well for a friend of mine, but he has an upgraded roll cage. It would kinda seem silly to spend money on an upgraded cage, but wheel on stock axles, but he has 2 kids, and a Wife to take care of, and he can do that better alive then dead. I'm a cheep skate when it comes to my build, I'd rather wait till a part breaks and then upgrade it... but some parts are worth buying before you need them.
I agree 110%. It also dupends on how you wheel to living in florida I dont see alot of rocks, steep hill climbs, and mountains so I really never considered a aftermarket roll cage which roll overs can happen just as easy or sometimes easier on road but I have thought buying cheaper sport cages like the smittybilt and rock hard 4x4 cages mainly for looks though there is nothing like the feeling of knowing your safe and nothing can go wrong I just wish fully welded cages were cheaper of course.
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Your cage looks perfectly fine for what I've seen from most offroad rollovers and is an improvement over stock. They aren't nearly as violent as a 50-70mph rollover. Typically they are slow and start out at less than 5mph. Regardless of how a cage is built, you will get hurt in a highway rollover.

However, a tube will be much stronger than a flat peice of metal. That is an engineering fact. As an example, try to hold a book up with a piece of paper without rolling it up. True paper and metal are different animals, but it gives you and idea.
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Your cage looks perfectly fine for what I've seen from most offroad rollovers and is an improvement over stock.
Exactly my thoughts behind doing everything.


And like someone else said..."Don't have a $1000 to spend on a cage"...If it wasn't for my wife buying the cage for my Bday I wouldn't have any cage at all. I'm lucky I had the extra 300 laying around to have it welded all up.
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Looks good man! Line-x that beyotch... Thats what I'm going to do when I install mine.

Off topic but I just watched "A fistful of dollars" this morning... Gotta love Eastwood movies...
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Looks good man! Line-x that beyotch... Thats what I'm going to do when I install mine.

Off topic but I just watched "A fistful of dollars" this morning... Gotta love Eastwood movies...

Fist full is one of my favorites. I just bought Pale Rider on bluray for $10 the other day in best buy.


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A factory cage is pretty strong to begin with, add some more a pillar support and dash bars and you add to that. Unless you roll down a cliff youll be okay.
Wow, simply wow

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