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Old 03-14-2014, 12:46 PM   #1
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Build 2006 Stock GE or trade for Rubicon X

Hi guys,

I'm a new member and first time poster. I've had nothing but Jeeps since I turned 16 (25 now). Most of that time has been with my 2006 2dr Wrangler Golden Eagle. It has 72,000 miles on it, its still completely stock and hasn't seen any real offroading outside of getting me to a hunting/fishing spot. I really want to get into wheeling though. I always have and finally have the financial means to do so. I've been reading a lot of the posts on here, and I'm trying to make a decision.

I went to a local offroad shop (Meridian Offroad Center in PA) and got a quote for what I would need to run the moderate trails at their business-owned offroad park. They quoted me at $16,500 to do everything including labor.
That includes:
6" BDS Long-arm lift kit with Fox 2.0 shocks
35" Mickey Thompson MTZ
5 Mickey Thompson Rims
Bushwacker Fender Flares
4:56 Gears (up from my 3:73s)
E-Lockers
Rock Rails
New Front Bumper with a winch
New Rear Bumper with a tire carrier
New Driveshaft
Short Shaft Kit
High Lift Jack
Power Tank
Winch Accessory Kit (Tow straps, etc.)

Obviously I wouldn't need to do all of this at once, but I would most likely do most of it. If I did, I would need it to be my daily driver for about 3 more years before i could make it a secondary, pure off-road vehicle. At which point, I might get some Baja Claws for it instead of the MTZs.

The other option I'm considering is trading it in for a Rubicon X with all of the creature comforts plus the better base for offroad use. I would probably run that stock until the 32" stock tires wore down, and then lift it up and get 35s underneath it. I don't see myself ever going bigger than 35s, but from the sounds of things, that's what everybody seems to say when they first start getting into wheeling.

Do you guys have any opinions on which way is the best to go?

Thanks in advance.

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P.S. I'm open to constructive criticism, so by all means, if any of this is completely ridiculous, please feel free to point out my stupidity/newbness in the nicest way possible.

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Old 03-14-2014, 01:07 PM   #3
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$16,500 is an outrageous price to set your rig up with marginal equipment and incorrect gear ratio. For half the cost you can install quality components that will perform better offroad.

6" long arm lifts are ridiculous and not necessary for 35s. Look into a 4" lift from savvy or metal cloak and add a 1" body lift, which will help with a tummy tuck.

You want 4.88 gears for 35s. Don't forget about chromoly shafts for the D30. Lockers are up to you but I recommend a rear Detroit and front selectable or lunch box locker.

The rest of the accessories you listed can be sourced from companies like UCF, A to Z, savvy, metal cloak, rokmen, dirrworx, among others. Loom around for discount codes for forum members.

I wouldn't even consider a JK. Too wide for my tastes.
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Old 03-14-2014, 01:09 PM   #4
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Is keep the 06. It only has 72,000 miles. That being said I'd also do the work myself. It's something to be proud of when you are done. Plus it's a whole lot cheeper.
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Old 03-14-2014, 01:46 PM   #5
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16,500 is way to high. I would trade to the rubicon. With the rubicon you get better axles, stronger driveline, and factory lockers. The rubicon is just a better starting point IMO.

Heck i just bought an 04 rubicon thats built up more so then what you listed and for several thousand dollars less then they told you.

If you have coin like that then just get a prebuilt trail ready ride. You could find a very nice trail ride and still have coin to buy a truck and trailer for 16,500$
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Old 03-14-2014, 02:34 PM   #6
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custer3_5, I would love to do the work myself, but honestly I know very little about working on that stuff. I'd like to learn, but I don't have a garage or somebody who knows what they're doing to teach me. I agree completely that it would be something to be proud of, plus a hell of a lot cheaper. $3K of the 16.5K is Labor cost.

6" lift did initially sound like a lot to me. I seem to find varying opinions on what is needed for 35s ranging from no lift to 6". I've heard bad things about body lifts. Is that just if you go past a certain extent?

I'm somewhat attached to my Golden Eagle, so unless I go all new with the Rubi X, I think I would just want to build this one. I just need to make a decision before I start getting money into the Eagle.

If I would go to the Rubi X what all would need to be replaced at the point when I want to put a lift and 35s? I just don't want to buy the Rubi and replace everything on it anyway. For instance, do the e-Lockers and e-discos still work after adding a lift kit? I've also heard the Rock Rails need trimmed with tires bigger than the stock 32s.
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Old 03-14-2014, 02:45 PM   #7
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go for the rubi, IMHO.
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Keep the Golden Eagle and build it up...of course I may be a little biased
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Old 03-14-2014, 02:58 PM   #9
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What you should do is make a list of the items you want on you jeep. Then start looking each item up.

One item is the tires. You have down 35" MTZ- well read all the reviews on the MTZ find out if that tire is the right tire for you. If it is not the tire for you then pick one out. Once you have your tire size down pick out a lift kit and or parts, just be sure to cross check each and every part you add to your list with the other parts. By the time you are done with your list and research you will be ready to order. If you dont have the means to install the items yourself have it done for you.

Dont just hand them cash and let them do whatever they wat.

You need to have an end goal in mind and plan each step to get there. The best thing for you would be to get out there and wheel a little bit with what you have. You may find that 33" tires are big enough for you, or that you want 38.5"

gotta get some wheeling time in before you spend any real money
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custer3_5, I would love to do the work myself, but honestly I know very little about working on that stuff. I'd like to learn, but I don't have a garage or somebody who knows what they're doing to teach me. I agree completely that it would be something to be proud of, plus a hell of a lot cheaper. $3K of the 16.5K is Labor cost. 6" lift did initially sound like a lot to me. I seem to find varying opinions on what is needed for 35s ranging from no lift to 6". I've heard bad things about body lifts. Is that just if you go past a certain extent? I'm somewhat attached to my Golden Eagle, so unless I go all new with the Rubi X, I think I would just want to build this one. I just need to make a decision before I start getting money into the Eagle. If I would go to the Rubi X what all would need to be replaced at the point when I want to put a lift and 35s? I just don't want to buy the Rubi and replace everything on it anyway. For instance, do the e-Lockers and e-discos still work after adding a lift kit? I've also heard the Rock Rails need trimmed with tires bigger than the stock 32s.
You could do a suspension lift by yourself. It wouldn't be to much more than what I did the other day. I put in a 2 inch budget boost. I did it in about 6 hours. Main reason it took that long was the rusty bolts and drilling out the ones I broke. I don't have a garage either. But I did mine right on the side of the road where I normally park. I watched the YouTube video on it and it's fairly easy. As long as you don't mind getting a little dirty and bust your knuckles a few times it's not bad at all. But you will need to get someone to do your axels. As for the body lifts, they aren't bad. I wouldn't recommend going past 2 inches. I have seen as much as 5 in body lift but it looked bad. In virginia you can't have more than 3. So you may want to look up your laws where you are if you want to add some body lift. And with the JK models I'm not sure what all needs to be done to run 35s. But from what I've heard it's not as much. But if you went that route you will probably have a payment and that cuts down on mod money. Just think you will be paying the price of another jeep and then quite a bit more just to run 35s. But if you start a build on the GE I will sub. I love the way they look
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Old 03-14-2014, 05:59 PM   #11
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I say keep the GE. I have an 06 TJ and my father has a 2014 Rubicon and I love my TJ better. Also, I would run as far away from that shop as possible. I mean you want to start wheeling not become a professional rock crawler or something. In addition, you can run 35's with a 4'' lift. There are lots of people on here running that setup. I wouldn't go higher than a 1.25'' BL as well. Like others said, think about what you want and go from there.
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Old 03-14-2014, 08:35 PM   #12
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Keep the GE(I have one too) and take the 16K and buy another TJ just for crazy off road.
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Old 03-14-2014, 08:50 PM   #13
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Thanks guys for all the advice. I think maybe I need to layoff the pedal a little bit and continue to do a little more research. The rubicon is tempting, but as was mentioned, the vehicle payments would take away from my ability to do mods. I think I'll probably stick with the GE, but take mikemounlio's advice and get out on the stock trails first and go from there.
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:40 PM   #14
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For $16.5k and doing 35's they should be recommending an axle up grade. Lots of folks who lock at D35 rear with 33's, end up breaking an axle. Upgrading the axle as part of the process of going to 35's and lockers is a no-brainer.

Is this your daily driver? If so you probably need bigger brakes too.
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For $16.5k and doing 35's they should be recommending an axle up grade. Lots of folks who lock at D35 rear with 33's, end up breaking an axle. Upgrading the axle as part of the process of going to 35's and lockers is a no-brainer.

Is this your daily driver? If so you probably need bigger brakes too.
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Old 03-15-2014, 07:14 AM   #16
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Keep the GE(I have one too) and take the 16K and buy another TJ just for crazy off road.
I agree. Lots of already built older Jeeps out there for well under $10K that will let you play hard on the weekend and still get to work Monday in the GE.
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Old 03-15-2014, 07:46 AM   #17
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Seems way to high to me, I would not trade, I would build the Eagle and not trade for a Rubicon. I just can't wrap my head around the price they quoted you, I just don't see 16k worth of "upgrades" listed....
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:39 PM   #18
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This was the itemized breakdown. Obviously these are estimates because I hadn't picked out specifics, and he did say that he went on the high side so that if anything after picking stuff out the price would be the same or lower.

Winch $1150
6" BDS LA Lift with Fox shocks. $3395
5 MT MTZ tires. $1500
5 MT rims. $500
Front and rear lockers. $1950
4:56 gears. $880
Front bumper. $805
Rear bumper. $1035
High lift jack. $120
5 fender flares. $529
Winch accessory kit. $232
Power tank. $549
Rocker guards. $210
Short shaft kit. $210
Drive shaft. $499

Labor for everything $3000
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Old 03-16-2014, 06:03 PM   #19
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keep the golden eagle! I'm definitly biased too but i can't wait to start lifting mine when I'm done school
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Old 03-16-2014, 06:39 PM   #20
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On a side note, for those of you who have Golden Eagles, are you running your gold rims or preserving them by running others? Mine have never seen the PA winter because of all the salt. I have a set of winter tires and rims that I've been running. That whole set needs to go after this winter though. Tires are worn out and rims are all chipped and rusted. I could save some money by not buying new rims, but would hate to see them go to hell in the winter.
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:20 PM   #21
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i was thinking about that but mine seem ok through this winter. Im in pa too and its been rough this winter and its gonna snow tonight again. none of my rims are messed up at all

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