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Old 04-29-2012, 09:26 PM   #1
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Buy a TJ or a Land Rover Discovery II?

So I am currently shopping to replace my 99 Ford Explorer. I am in college and am looking to spend around 10,000. I posted on a Land Rover forum and they all said Land Rover and told me why. Now I am posting here so all of you can tell me why the Jeep is better. I go to school in Arizona and will be off roading almost on a weekly basis

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If you want to do many modifications, the wrangler is the way to go. You can do whatever your imagination (and wallet) allows. Plus, they are the best off-road vehicles to roll off a production line IMO while still maintaining the ability to be driven daily. I will warn you, there is a lot more luxury in a Land Rover, but the chicks at college love the wranglers!

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I remember in high school one of my friends had a Discovery. The clock in the dash broke and they wanted $900 just for the part to fix it, without labor. That told me all I ever needed to know about em.
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So I am currently shopping to replace my 99 Ford Explorer. I am in college and am looking to spend around 10,000. I posted on a Land Rover forum and they all said Land Rover and told me why. Now I am posting here so all of you can tell me why the Jeep is better. I go to school in Arizona and will be off roading almost on a weekly basis
You goin to Arizona state?? I've heard they have the hottest girls ever!! You pick some up in ur jeep that we will talk you into buying
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Outside of a Defender their resell value sucks & for good reason. You want yourself an electrical basket case then by all means.
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You're on a Wrangler forum, ya already know the answer you're going to get.

That said - my first vehicle that I purchased WAS SUPPOSED to be a Land Rover Discovery. I was obsessed with those vehicles, and still love the body style today. Plus for their price and luxury features, it's a great deal! That said, there is a reason they're so cheap. For starters, they're plagued with electrical problems, engine reliability, and brake issues. The electrical problems are absolutely infamous and begin with little things and grow into much more significant issues. The engine has just always received a moderate problem reliability. And the brakes are noted for wearing quickly and needing frequent service. The only that stopped me was that the dealership was closed when I finally found it. I ended up purchasing a Mercury Cougar the next day.

As you're in college, you can't be without a vehicle and with the Disco plan to have it in the shop.

So why the Wrangler? High reliability. Low maintenance cost. Tops off the Jeep (tops of the girls in the backseat). Enjoy the Arizona weather. With the Disco on the road it's like every other SUV. With the Wrangler, it's always a Wrangler. Best off-road capable vehicle. HUGE aftermarket support. Huge fanbase with people always willing to lend a hand.

I love the Discoverys and I still want one, but if I had my choice between the two - my Wrangler is winning hands down every time. I get compliments constantly about my Jeep and I've spent nowhere near $10,000. You're not getting that with a Discovery.
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So I am currently shopping to replace my 99 Ford Explorer. I am in college and am looking to spend around 10,000. I posted on a Land Rover forum and they all said Land Rover and told me why. Now I am posting here so all of you can tell me why the Jeep is better. I go to school in Arizona and will be off roading almost on a weekly basis
If you are in the Phoenix area and you are waiting a good amount of time to make this decision I'll SHOW you why you should get one.
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LandRovers are ridiculously expensive to work on. From simple maintenance like brakes to a simple bad starter that cost a friend of mine $1800. IMO this decision is a no brainer.
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A wrangler is a much better option. Because you live in arizona you can take the top / doors off all the time. Chicks dig topless Jeeps! One good idea is to buy a pack of hair ties and keep them on the gear shifter so when the ladies hop in their hair won't get blown every which way. Also the Wrangler is tons easier to work on. As a guy who is also in college, I would highly recommend the Wrangler.
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Just say NO to the Disco. The Defender is an AMAZING 4x4. PERIOD!

I say get a Rubicon though. Cheaper maintenance costs and don't forget about the J/K

But seriously, the aftermarket for the Jeep is flooded with parts and the feeling of Family you get with other Jeepers are second to none.

Hope you pick Jeep but either way, good luck on your decision.
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because in order to get the tops of chicks at ASU, you will need to take the top off your future jeep!
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Having a sun roof just isn't the same. And I get these by the dozen. Never seen a land rover with this many aftermarket parts

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having owned both I will say this, I am on my second wrangler and would not buy another disco EVER. Too much money to do any work on it and it will need a lot of work (trust me).Its also not even close on fun factor. When i say not close I mean not even in the same discussion cant explain why exactly but Jeeps are much more than a 4x4. The community is like no other and they are so simple to work on and in my experience a very reliable vehicle. If you gotta have a disco, go for it but you may end up renting a wrangler on the weekends to have fun on the trails! lol. Discos are a cool looking ride and have good capability off road but again in my opinion they are what you get if a Jeep and a Rodeo had a baby. Also, being in college i assume you will have a fairly stock ride, at least it may take a while to save up to do modifications, longer for the dicso due to the cost of the mods and all the maintenance you will be doing along the way, and regardless of what the disco boys may have said a stock jeep will out wheel a disco all day, and it can do it topless. If you go with a disco enjoy it, they are pretty cool just start learning how to fix electrical issues now and invest in electrical tape!
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So I am currently shopping to replace my 99 Ford Explorer. I am in college and am looking to spend around 10,000. I posted on a Land Rover forum and they all said Land Rover and told me why. Now I am posting here so all of you can tell me why the Jeep is better. I go to school in Arizona and will be off roading almost on a weekly basis
A lot more fun to drive and just a whole new experience. And you can finally understand the Jeep thing
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You ask this on a wrangler forum. What do you think we're all gonna say? Lol get the Rover? lmoa...
Well he said he asked on a rover forum... He's looking for differences
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Well he said he asked on a rover forum... He's looking for differences
Yeah I did read his whole post. Lol my bad. I fixed it!
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Cool guy driving a Jeep or Soccer mom driving a Rover? I wonder? What should I do?.... LOL, JEEP... The Rover will $$$ you big in the end, but good luck...
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Read these Edmunds reviews:

2004 Land Rover Discovery 4.6L V8 4x4 4-speed Automatic Consumer Reviews

As a former owner of an Audi, a Saab, and a Volvo (all renowned problematic vehicles) I can tell you that they have the same type of reviews. Even the owners who rave about them will use phrases like "If you have the dealership perform all the recommended maint . . . " or "be sure to buy the extended warranty . . ."
To the OP: your subject line states that you are looking to buy a Discovery II. Assuming you are going to buy the last year of that model, a 2004, you are looking at a vehicle that is packed with amenities and technology and originally had an MSRP of over $45k. It now sells for between $7k and $11k. By comparison, a 2004 Wrangler Rubicon is very utilitarian, very low tech, and had an MSRP of around $25k. It now sell for between $14k and $18k. There's a reason for that. The Jeeps top comes off, it's fun, it's rugged, it's reliable, it carries a certain mystique, and it's resale value is the among the highest of any used vehicle.
Bottom line is that owners ditch their Discos when the warranty runs out and dealers can't give away a 12mpg money pit. On the other hand, any dealer will tell you that they wish they had a lot full of used Wranglers 'cause people will stand in line to buy them.
I wish you the best either way and admire that you are at least trying to make an informed decision. Good luck.
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I have owned 4 Rovers (2 Range Rovers, Disco I, and a Disco II) over 14 years and consider myself HIGHLY knowledgeable on this debate. I wouldn't trust much of any Land Rover owner's advice from forums. I used to help guide Land Rover owner trips to Monteagle, TN and worked alongside two good mechanic buddy's from Land Rover of Nashville, TN on more builds than I can remember. I encountered NUMEROUS Rover owners that have about as much REAL wheeling experience as my Grandmother...yet they are all experts the day they buy a Rover and get a free Land Rover hoodie and hat.. hahaa

With that said, the Disco II is a PITA!!! And I would put a stock 4cyl Wrangler up against any stock rover vehicle. Even if you buy the newest Disco 2 you can find it is still pushing 8 or 9 years old and I could spend half a day listing the issues you will encounter from electrical gremlins to brakes/3 Amigos/ABS nightmares, to the POORLY designed front drive shaft (they like the term propeller shaft) failure... that typically results in a smashed tranny case and rings out your t-case (read about this because it happens a lot). Add in the fact that you will NEVER find a quick replacement part at any Autozone or Advanced Auto, or anywhere... and it starts becoming even more of a PITA. Rover parts, even used, are RIDICULOUS. Lastly if you even think about lifting and modding it...check out the prices of aftermarket Rover stuff. They think a lot of their stuff.

If you want some top off care free fun in a vehicle that is documented to be extremely reliable (on and off road) and that you can easily source replacement parts and aftermarket parts at very reasonable prices...buy a Jeep.

If you want an unreliable vehicle with numerous design flaws and a laundry list of parts guaranteed to fail...buy the Rover. Just be ready for relentless random failures electronically. At the age you are looking at be ready for cooling issues with the motor, LEAKS of EVERYTHING, power steering failure, tranny/t-case issues (seals, drive shafts etc), heating and cooling issues, electronic issues from "three amigos" (google that) to window regulators and power door locks, and brake problems. ABS fails like crazy on these. I had nearly every issue listed on my Disco II and I see these all the time at my buddy's shop.

With all this said, the Rover owners are a die hard group. But after years of being around them I can assure you that the MAJORITY of the Rover owners I encountered like to brag about how amazing their off-road capabilities are...who have never really pushed their vehicles whatsoever. A lot of the Rover wheeling functions I went to barely compared to a trip up and down some of my friends' driveways.

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That three amigo's thing sounds like a pita. I have had my fair share of tj issues. But it gets the s*** beat out of it regularly and comes back for more.
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So I am currently shopping to replace my 99 Ford Explorer. I am in college and am looking to spend around 10,000. I posted on a Land Rover forum and they all said Land Rover and told me why. Now I am posting here so all of you can tell me why the Jeep is better. I go to school in Arizona and will be off roading almost on a weekly basis
Ok, so those are actually a bit on the other end of the spectrum from each other believe it or not.

Ask yourself:
what do you plan to do with the vehicle?
when you say off-road - what type of terrain?
Do you just want to get to the nearest campsite on a gravel road, or do you want to get way out into the wilderness?
Do you want to carry a lot of gear? Kayak, skis/snowboards??
Do you often drive a lot of people around?
Do you want to tow anything?
Do you want a more luxury ride or a rougher ride?
Do you have pets that will ride with you a lot? Big/small dog(s)?

A Jeep TJ will be better for off-road prowess, especially in a rocky desert environment, but the Discovery will be better on the highway for long trips. The TJ's have space problems, you can't fit near as much gear, friends and dogs in them as you will the Discovery or Explorer. The Discovery will tow heavier loads and will have more power for driving in the mountains. The TJ will be easier to park and maneuver if you live in a congested area. If you get an LJ you do get more cargo space, but you probably won't find one for your budget.

If you're looking at modifications for improving off-road ability, Jeep is king of the aftermarket. You can basically build a complete Jeep from catalog parts alone. And there is a host of other small companies not listed in any catalog, who make all sorts of things from shifter knobs to completely custom weld-on suspension systems.

If you're looking for a replacement closer to the daily functionality of your Explorer, then that's another SUV of the same type...a Discovery is one option, but so is the Grand Cherokee. If you want something fun (go topless), "rougher around the edges", simple to work on and maintain, then that is a TJ/LJ.
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Ok, so those are actually a bit on the other end of the spectrum from each other believe it or not.

Ask yourself:
what do you plan to do with the vehicle?
when you say off-road - what type of terrain?
Do you just want to get to the nearest campsite on a gravel road, or do you want to get way out into the wilderness?
Do you want to carry a lot of gear? Kayak, skis/snowboards??
Do you often drive a lot of people around?
Do you want to tow anything?
Do you want a more luxury ride or a rougher ride?
Do you have pets that will ride with you a lot? Big/small dog(s)?

A Jeep TJ will be better for off-road prowess, especially in a rocky desert environment, but the Discovery will be better on the highway for long trips. The TJ's have space problems, you can't fit near as much gear, friends and dogs in them as you will the Discovery or Explorer. The Discovery will tow heavier loads and will have more power for driving in the mountains. The TJ will be easier to park and maneuver if you live in a congested area. If you get an LJ you do get more cargo space (but you probably won't find one for your budget).

If you're looking at modifications for improving off-road ability, Jeep is king of the aftermarket. You can basically build a complete Jeep from catalog parts alone. And there is a host of other small companies not listed in any catalog, who make all sorts of things from shifter knobs to completely custom weld-on suspension systems.

If you're looking for a replacement closer to the daily functionality of your Explorer, then that's another SUV of the same type...a Discovery is one option, but so is the Grand Cherokee.
I can fit my dog, another person, and a weeks worth of sar and camping gear in my tj... Just sayin, and I have driven it from Illinois to Utah and back, it's not that bad on the highway. A wj is a nice option. I have a 00 with 183k miles. Paid 4k for it. 2 inch lift, dual exhaust,
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If money is going to be a issue then get a wrangler, The shop we worked at made most of out money of land rovers. disco II it was lil stuff or that ford motor getting gunk up or fixing the many oil leaks they get. but most of the time it was the 04-06 body style ranges we made money off of since it seem they broke alot. A review mirror if i am correct was like 1k painted. to me there junk. but that my opinion.
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I can fit my dog, another person, and a weeks worth of sar and camping gear in my tj... Just sayin, and I have driven it from Illinois to Utah and back, it's not that bad on the highway. A wj is a nice option. I have a 00 with 183k miles. Paid 4k for it. 2 inch lift, dual exhaust,
I've done all that too, so I know what you're saying.

You can load 4 people in a TJ, with all their gear, drive for 4 hours to go skiing for 3 days...but it sure won't be comfortable at all. Something else will do that job a whole lot better and more comfortably.

However...if you want to go 4-wheeling on a weekly basis, with one person or so, and have a bunch of fun in a topless/doorless vehicle...that's a TJ.

If you want to do all of that...have your cake and eat it too...get a 4-door JK.

It all depends what fits your needs. Buy what fits your needs
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If you want to do all of that...have your cake and eat it too...get a 4-door JK.
Those don't match.



Several years ago I was thinking about buying a Disco II. I found one in really good shape at a dealership and took it for a test drive. I loved it, but before I pulled the trigger on it, I went on the Land Rover forums. I wanted to see what everyone was doing for offroad modifications. I didn't find anything like that. Almost everyone was talking about what was broken on their Disco, how long it would be in the shop, and how much it would cost to get repaired. I decided not to buy the Disco II after that.
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I have never owned a LR however I wheel with a friend who has two of them. He is always having problems with them especially the Disco. Everything from cracked exhaust manifolds, electrical issues, ABS/brake problems and the infamous 3 Amigos.
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We had 3 Defenders. They are great overlanding vehicles when they are not broken. The best one of the lot was the oldest Series III with a Chev motor. The Discos have lots more electronics and lots more that goes wrong. We worked on them ourselves and I can tell you the TJ is MUCH easier to work on.

The TJ for the price is in it's own league offroad. As for fun they are also in their own league.
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The TJ for the price is in it's own league offroad. As for fun they are also in their own league.
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