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Old 06-19-2010, 09:39 PM   #1
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Buying lockers for 97 tj

Got some extra cash and want to put lockers on my rig front and back...i have heard the air lockers are thee best ones (...?) also dont want a busted up axle and need to know if my stock axle can handle the load (front and rear).

Good for snow?

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more info, what axles do you have and what size tires will you be running?

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Old 06-19-2010, 10:35 PM   #3
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To be honest I just know that my axles are stock, just not sure of the dana#. I run a 3.5" re lift with 1" spacers and will be running 33x12.5 in the future . Right now i run 31x10.5
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what model, what engine and trans.
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Also, what gears are in them? You need to know that depending on the locker type and carrier that you have.
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Old 06-19-2010, 11:15 PM   #6
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Its a 1997 TJ Wrangler manual 2.4L all stock except for 3.5 RE lift /sye / cv driveshaft / and 1" spacers...
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Old 06-20-2010, 08:30 AM   #7
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front dana 30 is stronger than rear dana 35. And most all 4 screamin' squirills run 4:10 gears.

In the snow front locker is bad. Just pushes in the turns like a dump truck.

Locker with the d35 and 33's is just a bad idea. You can replace the rear axle for less than $1000 it's according where you look. I found dana 44 with my gears for less than $500. Look in old ZJ's. Check to make sure you don't get the aluminum one's (late 90's till 2001 I think!)
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I would do an ARB front, leave the rear open. Think about alloy shafts in the front too. Might as well regear while you are in there. With a 4 popper and 33s, I would do 4.88s myself. Whether it is an auto or a stick. You could always do a limited slip in the rear to help, and it will let the D35 survive a while longer.
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front dana 30 is stronger than rear dana 35.
The front Dana 30 is really no stronger than the rear Dana 35. It only seems that way because of all the rear Dana 35 axle shaft breakages we keep hearing about and seeing. However, the reason the front Dana 30 doesn't break as often is simply that it never sees more than about 50% of the stress the rear axle sees. Both axles use 27 spline axle shafts and are actually very similar in overall strength.
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The front Dana 30 is really no stronger than the rear Dana 35. It only seems that way because of all the rear Dana 35 axle shaft breakages we keep hearing about and seeing. However, the reason the front Dana 30 doesn't break as often is simply that it never sees more than about 50% of the stress the rear axle sees. Both axles use 27 spline axle shafts and are actually very similar in overall strength.
Exactly correct. Well explained.

And if you were to build a rear-steer buggy, you sure as hell wouldn't even THINK of building a D30 rear.

A D35 is fine for a Libby or Patriot or Commander that is not going to see dirt. But for a trail rig, a D35 is inadequate at best. Retardedly weak and a ticking timebomb at worst.
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Incidentally, if you don't need to use 4x4 on snow and can get around year-round in 2wd, a front automatic locker like a Lockright, Aussie, or No-Slip is invisible when you're in 2wd. At most when you're in 2wd, both the Lockright and Aussie click as you make turns. The No-Slip doesn't even do that, it is virtually silent and totally unnoticeable when in 2wd.
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Is it better to go with dana 44's in front and back or something else? Maybe a ford 8.8 ?
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Dana 44 is readily available in front and rear configurations. You can get them off the shelf, ready for install for less than the cost of alloy shafts, gears, lockers and install costs into D30 and 35. You also gain the added tube strength, larger gears and can upgrade brakes at the same time.
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Dana 44 is readily available in front and rear configurations. You can get them off the shelf, ready for install for less than the cost of alloy shafts, gears, lockers and install costs into D30 and 35. You also gain the added tube strength, larger gears and can upgrade brakes at the same time.
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Dana 44 is readily available in front and rear configurations. You can get them off the shelf, ready for install for less than the cost of alloy shafts, gears, lockers and install costs into D30 and 35. You also gain the added tube strength, larger gears and can upgrade brakes at the same time.
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Where can you buy 44“s for cheap new? How much can I get a rear 44 for? Im wondering if Im going to regret buying a newer wrangler instead of an older rubicon that fits my budget
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They run 2,524.99 at 4wd.com if you wat the 30 spline ur looking at 2,837.99 that was the front the back runs (30 spline) 2,397.99 so its not cheap to go with the new ones
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They run 2,524.99 at 4wd.com if you wat the 30 spline ur looking at 2,837.99 that was the front the back runs (30 spline) 2,397.99 so its not cheap to go with the new ones
yeah thats some $$$ . I think ill wait out for a 03 rubi
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Not cheap. When compared to the cost of upgrading an axle with weaker tubes, weaker housing, weaker u-joints, weaker gears and c-clips in the D35, it makes sense.
Dana 30 Upgrades -
Superior 30 spline shafts, ARB - $1800
ARB Compressor - $250
Gears - $190
Labor - $600
Total - $2840

IMO, the 44 is a much better axle. Tube strength, gear strength, housing strength, no c-clips... all make it a better axle overall. In the front end you get stronger knuckles and joints and at both ends you will most likely get stronger mounts for about the same money as the upgrades.

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Shoot, I built my rear D60 for around $2300, and that included paying for gear set up and welding on all the brackets!

My front D60 is a different story. I am in it about $7K, but it is full on bling. RCV 35 spline chromo/33 spline 300M, PSC full hydro, custom 3 link and panhard, etc.

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