Can i over ride my 2001 clutch safety switch? - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 03-21-2012, 04:53 AM   #1
Newb
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3
Can i over ride my 2001 clutch safety switch?

Replaced the master slave cylinder 3 years ago and it is fine ( no leaks) my safety switch is bad. How can I over ride it?

krwise is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 08:23 AM   #2
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Central Florida--Used to be Central IL
Posts: 199
In the fusebox behind the glovebox, there is a slot usually labeled Trans or Auto. If you put in the correct size (20A if I recall) into the blank slot, the switch won't be needed to start. The manual should have more information.

QADaemon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 08:37 AM   #3
Jeeper
 
Kevbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: O'Fallon, MO
Posts: 1,636
^^

thats the ticket there..i have a pic of it. Is fuse #20 on the fuse panel. This allows you to start the jeep with out the clutch petal in in neutral, and also in gear, but the jeep will lurch in gear and isnt good for the starter or flywheel teeth.

but if your switch is sketchy and intermittent you can 20A that #20 fuse and start it in gear with the clutch in, even if the switch is not working
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram...Semper Fidelis
Kevbz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 09:35 AM   #4
Jeeper
 
anthonytj97's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: bridgewater ,MA
Posts: 125
you can also use a relay , i use them all the time when installing remote starters
anthonytj97 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 10:14 AM   #5
Jeeper
 
TJspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 3,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevbz View Post
^^

thats the ticket there..i have a pic of it. Is fuse #20 on the fuse panel. This allows you to start the jeep with out the clutch petal in in neutral, and also in gear, but the jeep will lurch in gear and isnt good for the starter or flywheel teeth.

but if your switch is sketchy and intermittent you can 20A that #20 fuse and start it in gear with the clutch in, even if the switch is not working
What is that red wire you got there?
__________________
2000 solar yellow 4.0 sport 3" BDS, 1.25" JKS body lift, 1" Zone motor lift, JKS quicker disconnects, 33x10.5 BFG KM2 on black american racing wheels. D44 rear.
TJspeed is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 10:30 AM   #6
Jeeper
 
Kevbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: O'Fallon, MO
Posts: 1,636
from 97 to 02 I believe there are two leads, one red and one blue. They are factory pigtails for hooking up accessories. the red is 10A unswitched (12V+ constant) and the blue is 3A switched (12V+ key'd)

I think my red one is powering some extra power points I ran to my console.

heres where they originate from...
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram...Semper Fidelis
Kevbz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 10:31 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
mckey73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: 'burque
Posts: 9,285
I'm a big fan of bypassing the clutch safety switch! If your clutch freaks-out you can take off by putting it in 1st and using the starter motor to take off. This is not something you would want to do often, but it might get you somewhere to fix it. I have overridden those switches on my '04 Jetta and the '02 Chevy I traded for the JK.

Thanks Kevbz!
mckey73 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 10:35 AM   #8
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 29,276
Images: 2
There is no need to splice wires, wire in a relay, or anything besides insert a 10A fuse into the interlock bypass fuse slot. OP, the instructions for which fuse slot the fuse goes into are in your owner's manual. Jeep added that ability because they know how handy and sometimes necessary it is to be able to start the engine without having to first step down on the clutch pedal.

There is no need for the safety interlock, only a few lawyers made the manufacturers add them in recent years. If my mother, grandmothers, and great-grandmothers could learn to drive their stick shifts without a clutch interlock, so can we.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 10:35 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
Kevbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: O'Fallon, MO
Posts: 1,636
Quote:
Originally Posted by mckey73 View Post
I'm a big fan of bypassing the clutch safety switch! If your clutch freaks-out you can take off by putting it in 1st and using the starter motor to take off. This is not something you would want to do often, but it might get you somewhere to fix it. I have overridden those switches on my '04 Jetta and the '02 Chevy I traded for the JK.

Thanks Kevbz!
I use it to be able to start the jeep when i am in the garage. Put it in N, and ebrake on and i can start the jeep to check what ever it is I am working on with out having to climb in and, clutch in, start, tranny in N, ebrake on, climb out...i just reach in and fire it up...when you are working on it and have to jump in 15 times to start it to check can be a pain.

And like you said, if the safety switch freaks out and wont let you start it...it's my way of saying "wanna bet!"
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram...Semper Fidelis
Kevbz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 10:39 AM   #10
Jeeper
 
Kevbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: O'Fallon, MO
Posts: 1,636
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
There is no need to splice wires, wire in a relay, or anything besides insert a 10A fuse into the interlock bypass fuse slot. OP, the instructions for which fuse slot the fuse goes into are in your owner's manual.

There is no need for the safety interlock, only a few lawyers made the manufacturers add them in recent years. If my mother, grandmothers, and great-grandmothers could learn to drive their stick shifts without a clutch interlock, so can we.
Probably one of my biggest pet peeves with manufactures is the lawyer aspect.

clutch interlocks, neutral safety switches, brake petal interlocks...all because someone ran there vehicle through a storefront because they didn't understand how things worked!
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram...Semper Fidelis
Kevbz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 10:41 AM   #11
Jeeper
 
Kevbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: O'Fallon, MO
Posts: 1,636
Quote:
Originally Posted by mckey73 View Post
I'm a big fan of bypassing the clutch safety switch! If your clutch freaks-out you can take off by putting it in 1st and using the starter motor to take off. This is not something you would want to do often, but it might get you somewhere to fix it. I have overridden those switches on my '04 Jetta and the '02 Chevy I traded for the JK.

Thanks Kevbz!
I just saw your quote about having a JK...i'm not sure if it crossed over to the JK models
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram...Semper Fidelis
Kevbz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 10:44 AM   #12
Jeeper
 
scot68's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 454
Why not just replace the switch? In the remote chance you would actually have a need to start the Jeep in gear now you know how to bypass it.
scot68 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 11:07 AM   #13
Newb
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3
Thanks for all your help.
krwise is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 12:47 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
KBR97's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 4,979
I wasn't aware of the fuse panel fix when mine stopped working. I just cut the wires and twisted them together with some tape.
__________________
[COLOR="Green"]
KBR97 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 07:31 PM   #15
Newb
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1
By the same thinking, if I took the fuse out it would NOT start in gear without the clutch depressed, correct? The VA safety inspection won't pass it if it will start in gear without the clutch depressed.

If not, what could need to be looked at? (Neutral safety switch has been suggested)
MoPhun95Wrangler is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-21-2012, 08:23 PM   #16
Jeeper
 
Kevbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: O'Fallon, MO
Posts: 1,636
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoPhun95Wrangler
By the same thinking, if I took the fuse out it would NOT start in gear without the clutch depressed, correct? The VA safety inspection won't pass it if it will start in gear without the clutch depressed.

If not, what could need to be looked at? (Neutral safety switch has been suggested)
The fuse is not present normally in a manual, but is on a auto. If you don't have a fuse in there and it still cranks without the clutch in, there's other problems.
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram...Semper Fidelis
Kevbz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-22-2012, 04:32 AM   #17
Newb
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3
Thanks to all. I put the fuse in and it started right up. Screw paying $60 to replace the one I just put in 3 years ago
krwise is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-22-2012, 07:39 AM   #18
Jeeper
 
Kevbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: O'Fallon, MO
Posts: 1,636


Quote:
Originally Posted by krwise View Post
Thanks to all. I put the fuse in and it started right up. Screw paying $60 to replace the one I just put in 3 years ago
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram...Semper Fidelis
Kevbz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-22-2012, 09:00 AM   #19
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Central Florida--Used to be Central IL
Posts: 199
While we are on the subject, and since I can't test it myself right at the moment, how does this affect cruise since it kicks off when you press the clutch? Will it still engage, and just lose that safety feature as well?
QADaemon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-22-2012, 09:04 AM   #20
Jeeper
 
Kevbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: O'Fallon, MO
Posts: 1,636
i unfortunately am not one of the cool kids with cruise...or air...
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram...Semper Fidelis
Kevbz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-22-2012, 10:35 AM   #21
Jeeper
 
TJspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 3,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by QADaemon
While we are on the subject, and since I can't test it myself right at the moment, how does this affect cruise since it kicks off when you press the clutch? Will it still engage, and just lose that safety feature as well?
Yup. I have cruise and if you push the clutch in it'll rev up 500 rpm then just kicks it.
__________________
2000 solar yellow 4.0 sport 3" BDS, 1.25" JKS body lift, 1" Zone motor lift, JKS quicker disconnects, 33x10.5 BFG KM2 on black american racing wheels. D44 rear.
TJspeed is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 03-22-2012, 09:31 PM   #22
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Central Florida--Used to be Central IL
Posts: 199
I used to be uncool with no AC or cruise. Cruise was totally worth it just so my damn foot doesn't get so hot on the interstate. A/C is kinda meh, but I guess it's worth it on the hot & rainy days.

Cool, thanks. Perhaps I will actually bypass the thing then.
QADaemon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-24-2012, 07:49 PM   #23
Jeeper
 
mark2215's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: MA
Posts: 83
Just for others who search and find this thread, on my 2005 rubi unlimited there is a 10a fuse in the fuse box under the hood that says clutch override. This overrides the cluch switch only when the jeep is in low range, as per the manual. Pretty annoying but better than nothing for now.
mark2215 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-24-2012, 07:59 PM   #24
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 29,276
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark2215 View Post
Just for others who search and find this thread, on my 2005 rubi unlimited there is a 10a fuse in the fuse box under the hood that says clutch override. This overrides the cluch switch only when the jeep is in low range, as per the manual. Pretty annoying but better than nothing for now.
Look in your owner's manual, I think you'll find you can move an electrical connector over the driver's side footwell that will completely bypass it. That is how it was done in '97 and that method was brought back for later TJs starting sometime around 2003 or 2004.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-24-2012, 08:23 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
mark2215's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: MA
Posts: 83
I just checked the owners manual and the fsm. Neither mention a bypass plug. I looked under the dash in my jeep, found the clutch switch wire and there was no empty plug for the bypass. This feature must have been discontinued in 2005. The two wires will be easy enough to connect together to bypass for good.
mark2215 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-25-2012, 01:27 PM   #26
Jeeper
 
mjfitzner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Westmont, IL
Posts: 75
When you did this did your 4wd light stay on? In my 06 I put the fuse in the slot which took care of the issue but my 4wd is always on now. Normal?
__________________
06 Wrangler TJ X
33/12.5/15 BFG M/T's on Crager soft 8's
3.25" Rough Country Lift
Rampage Tubular Side Steps
Custom Fab Front Bumper
6.5" Polk Audio DXI 650 in soundbar
mjfitzner is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-25-2012, 07:49 PM   #27
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 29,276
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjfitzner View Post
When you did this did your 4wd light stay on? In my 06 I put the fuse in the slot which took care of the issue but my 4wd is always on now. Normal?
That is normal from what I have read from owners of newer TJs like yours.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-25-2012, 08:13 PM   #28
Jeeper
 
a_springfield's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 116
My 05 does that
a_springfield is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-05-2012, 06:12 PM   #29
572
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 129
I love that this is so easy to disable on the TJ. I always like to disable the clutch safety switch on any standard transmission car I own.

The clutch switch is really hard on the crankshaft thrust bearing. It forces you to cold start the motor with the force of the clutch pressure plate against a dry crank thrust bearing.

Mine is disabled now. Thanks!

572 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What I did to my TJ today TJeepman TJ General Discussion Forum 24376 Today 01:07 AM
First thing you can think of... Hexxum Off-Topic 59528 Yesterday 10:18 PM
Should i take my backseats out, just to put in subs 02JeepWranglerSportTj TJ General Discussion Forum 77 03-05-2013 01:20 AM
might have found my new favorite flares Preston777 JK General Discussion Forum 10 03-20-2012 11:24 PM
My new JK rubi Awheeler75 JK General Discussion Forum 18 03-20-2012 11:11 PM



» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:30 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC