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Old 06-15-2011, 10:13 PM   #1
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Hey everyone

I've been doing some research around here, specifically following THIS thread for CB Radio advice. So, if you would, give me your opinions on the following setup I'm thinking about getting.

Uniden PRO520XL - Link

Firestik K48R18 Coax Cable - Link

Wilson Flex CB Antenna 3' - Link

Now what I need help with:

What kind of mount for the antenna should I get? I've seen some people mount it on their tire carrier, however I'm not sure how they did so.

Where should I put it in my Jeep so that it is out of the way, yet still usable? I was thinking about THIS but I'm not sure if the Uniden 520 will fit.

Anything else I am missing for a basic CB setup?

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You want your antenna as high as possible as you only transmit out of the top 18inches.oh and firesticks are junk. Look for a good Wilson 2000. But you want a older one, the new ones are junk as well. They sold to another company a couple years ago and are now China junk.
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Hey everyone

I've been doing some research around here, specifically following THIS thread for CB Radio advice. So, if you would, give me your opinions on the following setup I'm thinking about getting.

Uniden PRO520XL - Link

Firestik K48R18 Coax Cable - Link

Wilson Flex CB Antenna 3' - Link

Now what I need help with:

What kind of mount for the antenna should I get? I've seen some people mount it on their tire carrier, however I'm not sure how they did so.

Where should I put it in my Jeep so that it is out of the way, yet still usable? I was thinking about THIS but I'm not sure if the Uniden 520 will fit.

Anything else I am missing for a basic CB setup?
The only change to your wish list would be to order something other the the firering connector. I have cut many of them off of friends Jeeps that have high swr problems, and solved the problem. Instead go with a good rg8x coax.
Like this One
I have always had the best luck with a stud mount like this One
Lots of people go with the pl259 like this One
Both will work. I just prefer the stud mount for getting a better ground and a little easier to run the cable.

As for an antenna mount I run the Teraflex mount like tailhole has pictured. It has worked well. But I can tell you its going to rust. I wish I would have spent the couple extra bucks for the S Steel one. Like the one at q-tec. Quadratec Exclusive JW-TLM-L - Stainless Steel CB Antenna Mount for 76-06 Jeep® CJ & Wrangler - Rear Driver Mount - Quadratec
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Corse if ya just chat with ya buddys while on the trail, el cheapo firestick will get the job done. I'd recomend ya a 4 ft at least. Make sure to put it on a spring so ya don't brake it.

Be sure to check your swr's, to high you'll fry your radio, to low you won't get out. Look for a turner/roadking Mic. Or astatic Mic and stay away from power mics.
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The only change to your wish list would be to order something other the the firering connector. I have cut many of them off of friends Jeeps that have high swr problems, and solved the problem. Instead go with a good rg8x coax.
Like this One
I have always had the best luck with a stud mount like this One
Lots of people go with the pl259 like this One
Both will work. I just prefer the stud mount for getting a better ground and a little easier to run the cable.

As for an antenna mount I run the Teraflex mount like tailhole has pictured. It has worked well. But I can tell you its going to rust. I wish I would have spent the couple extra bucks for the S Steel one. Like the one at q-tec. Quadratec Exclusive JW-TLM-L - Stainless Steel CB Antenna Mount for 76-06 Jeep® CJ & Wrangler - Rear Driver Mount - Quadratec
35 bucks for a antenna mount??? Ouch! Ain't there a better set up then drilling the body?
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There is nothing wrong with a Firestick antenna, it is one of the most popular cb antennas used on jeeps. Some really have a preference between wilson and firestick but it is more like pepsi versus coke. Firestick's reputation is excellent except among a few diehard wilson fanatics. But then I've only been working with cb, ham, military, and commercial 2 way radios since the mid 1960's, including having designed and built more than a few HF, VHF, and UHF antennas over the years.

And like Scoob I am no fan of the Fire Ring style cable connector. I would go with the same style of antenna mount as Scoob recommends above.
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I'm speaking from running both on the same setup and getting better results out of the Wilson. So its not just a matter of Pepsi verses coke. Besides less chances of braking the Wilson due to its a steel rod and not a fiberglass stick. Corse that's what springs are for.
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Alright sweet, thanks for the input everyone! So if I got the Wilson flex 3'/4' antenna, this stud mount http://www.walcottcb.com/stainless-s...ath=28_353_489, the rg8x coax cable, and mounted it on the tire carrier I should be good to go? Will that bracket from quadratec fit with the Uniden 520? Also how are you guys wiring your cb to the battery? It seems like there should be some sort of fuse or something between the battery and the cb should it sort out.

After work today I'm going to measure how high a 3' and 4' antenna would stick up. I don't want it to be a danger to low flying objects and look redneck like some trucks I see around here lol.

I met a guy through our local Jeep club that has his antenna mounted on his tire carrier so he said he would help me set that up. I think he removed the third brake light, drilled a hole, then put a stud connector though it and ran the coax where his third brake light wiring was. It looks extremely clean, won't rust like the $30 quadratec braket, and he says that he gets the best reception out of the club.
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Just add a inline fuse just before the battery. Can buy the fuse with a little bit of wire attached for a couple bucks. Ad a butt connector and your good to go.
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Alright sweet, thanks for the input everyone! So if I got the Wilson flex 3'/4' antenna, this stud mount Stainless Steel Antenna Stud K4-SS Walcott CB - CB Radio Super Store and Mobile Electronics Warehouse. at WalcottCB.com, the rg8x coax cable, and mounted it on the tire carrier I should be good to go? Will that bracket from quadratec fit with the Uniden 520? Also how are you guys wiring your cb to the battery? It seems like there should be some sort of fuse or something between the battery and the cb should it sort out.

After work today I'm going to measure how high a 3' and 4' antenna would stick up. I don't want it to be a danger to low flying objects and look redneck like some trucks I see around here lol.

I met a guy through our local Jeep club that has his antenna mounted on his tire carrier so he said he would help me set that up. I think he removed the third brake light, drilled a hole, then put a stud connector though it and ran the coax where his third brake light wiring was. It looks extremely clean, won't rust like the $30 quadratec braket, and he says that he gets the best reception out of the club.
For the battery power. I use a piece of RG8X coax for it. Put a fuse on the center wire and connect it to the positive post and I run the shielding to the neg post. Has worked great for every Cb I have installed.

The mount will work like that and its close to how I did my first antenna install on the Rubi.


I did end up having to run a seperate ground strap to get the SWR's down. It will pick up a little more noise from the fuel pump as well. But overall the location is OK. Mine would probably still be there if I wouldn't have went to a swing away tire carrier.
Having had both I like it much better behind the tail light and plan on ordering the S steel mount from Q-tec next week to replace my rusting t-flex one.
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Will that bracket from quadratec fit with the Uniden 520?
This one? Yes. I have a 520 here with that bracket. The 510 is the same radio without the RF Gain knob that I never use.



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After work today I'm going to measure how high a 3' and 4' antenna would stick up.
This is a 4' firestick if that helps at all. You can just make out the red cap in the first one.

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Alright, so I have everything figured out now except for the antenna. I like to look of the 3' antenna better than the 4'. Is there really that big of a difference between the Wilson Flex and the Firestik or Wilson Fiber glass? I like the peace of mind knowing that I won't shatter the thing against a tree. Also, is there a way to mount the antenna against the brake light perhaps? I'm not too excited about drilling into the body above the brake light. Have you guys seen any rust where you drilled into the body? Just seems a little scary to me!

Here is a pic with my brother holding up his Wilson 3' Fiberglass antenna where i want to put it:





I feel like if I mount it on the tire carrier, the soft top will prevent it form reaching out too far

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As long as ya keep a bolt/screw in the holes, it shouldn't rust out.
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Alrighty, time for an update. My brother and I installed the thing today, it took us a couple hours longer than we thought it would due to some wiring issues. First, the positive terminal on my batter was extremely corroded and the nut and bolt on it obviously didn't belong. It looks like the PO southern engineered it. Also, when I reconnected the positive power cable after cleaning the terminal, an alarm went off. I knew my Jeep had some sort of security system but I have never gotten it to work. As soon as I reconnected the battery the thing went off and nearly scared the sh*t out of me. Then, I couldn't get the thing to turn off as the key fob has never worked. I finally found the fuse for it under the dash on the driver's side wired to a small plastic box labeled "sensor". So, if you ever want to break into a TJ with a security system, now you know how to kill the security system. You're welcome. Other than that little hiccup, everything else went pretty smoothly. Mounting the antenna mount was very easy, and there were rubber plugs to run things such as the power from the CB itself and the coax cable to the rear of the Jeep. Drilling into the body wasn't nearly as scary as I thought it would be. It would have been easier if I didn't have a terrible quality cordless drill to do it with. Then, I hooked up the SWR meter and found that no matter how much I played with the length of the antenna, the SWR was at an acceptable level. I left the antenna at the shortest length and measure 1.2 on channel 1 and 1.3 on channel 40. Over all, it was a relatively painless installation. If I had to do it again I might have just spliced into a hot wire for power though. Here are some pictures of the final product. I didn't take too many during the installation as we were too busy fussing and cussing lol.







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Francis makes good antennas. Mounted mine on the carrier, just drilled a hole and used a little 3$ mount piece from the local cb shop here. Put my cb above the center vents. Love having it right there. Sorry, I'm not with the jeep or I'd go pull the spair and show you
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Thanks guys! I was playing with it and heard some Guy atleast 5-6 miles away

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That is a very large CB! I'm gonna help a bud install his tomorrow who bought a similar one. I have no idea where he is going to put it.
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Dang. I forgot all about these.
I'm not sure if there still made or not. But there cool.
The one on the left has the adapter for hooking to the lighter and coax or can use the battery pack (on the right) and take it with ya
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That is a very large CB! I'm gonna help a bud install his tomorrow who bought a similar one. I have no idea where he is going to put it.
I love mine where it's at. Always right there infront of you. It's the cobra 29ltd
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Five miles on a CB Radio is the bare minimum I would settle for. Ten miles is more like it, and I always get that out of my installations. My Liberty always got out ten to fifteen miles. It had the 4ft Firestick antenna, but did just as good with the K40 4 ft fiberglass Superflex. Both are only about $24. The only coax I will use is what you buy by the foot, and I insist on Belden brand. I use NO coax with molded ends. Mine are always soldered on.

On my Grand Cherokee I used a rood mount Wilson 1000 and it was incredible.

The Wrangler I had I used a 102" stainless steel whip, and it did the best.
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Remember that due to them having caused injuries on the trail in the past, few 4x4 clubs and organized events allow 102" whips. Most limit antenna heights to nothing taller than 48-52" or so. Shorter antennas get out just fine anyway.
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A good CB installation should allow you to comunicate about 20 miles with legal wattage if propperly set up, if the antenna is on the rear of a vehicle you will lose distance to the rear, and gain it towards the front. There are many variables that can go into how well a system performs... Antenna design is one of the biggest variables, location of the antenna, propper grounding, and antenna to radio swr also come into play, as does coax length between the radio and the antenna, and that will depend on something called the velocity factor of the coax that is directly related to the dielectric material that the coax uses...
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....as does coax length between the radio and the antenna, and that will depend on something called the velocity factor of the coax that is directly related to the dielectric material that the coax uses...
Coax length is not a factor at all, except relating to loses. (Mobile instillations at these frequencies = no loss.)
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Coax length is not a factor at all, except relating to loses. (Mobile instillations at these frequencies = no loss.)
Coax length is always a factor, the velocity/distance that an rf current flows through a conductor at a given frequency is only going to be a certain percentage of the distance the same rf signal can travel through air... and this has a direct relation on antenna performance.

What is your reasoning for saying that coax length doesn't matter? I've been using C.B.s and Ham radios for over 20 years, and I also used to be a partner in a CB and Ham radio sales and repair shop for a few years before my partners and I had a falling out, but if you've got some information that I might not be aware of about coax length please feel free to share it.
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Prolly the best possible antenna for Jeeping would be a combination of a short Hustler brand antenna mast that can fold over if needed, with either a K40, Wilson 1000, 2000, or 5000, loaded coil, and either a Wilson or K40 stinger that is trimmed to give the best standing wave ratio (SWR) and 12 feet to 18 feet of coax cable between the C.B. and the antenna.
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I'll post information tonight to back this up, but Sparky is absolutely correct. Feedline length is critical on some types of antennas, but coax length is absolutely not critical on the type of antennas we use on our jeeps. I'm posting for my cellphone now, but after you read the information I'll post for you, you will quickly understand why.

Edit: Here's one of the two I was going to post... http://www.stu-offroad.com/misc/myth-1.htm. Stu's info is dead on and the other writeup from an engineering site IIRC agrees with equally interesting information.
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I'll post information tonight to back this up, but Sparky is absolutely correct. Feedline length is critical on some types of antennas, but coax length is absolutely not critical on the type of antennas we use on our jeeps. I'm posting for my cellphone now, but when I get home to post the information, you will understand why.
Since I see that both yourself and Sparky are hamsters, and you both agree that the length of coax feeding an antenna in the C.B. radio frequency doesn't matter, I'd like for either of you to explain why a field strength meter can measure the difference in coax length of a 1/4 wave antenna on a vehicle when switching from a 3' 6' 9' 12' 18' length of coax, while all other measurments including swr remains the same?

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