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Old 04-24-2012, 11:17 AM   #61
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The effectiveness of ABS really depends on the system. If it's a basic 2 channel system then yeah, it's is pretty much worthless. Or if it's an older controller and pump that maybe isn't as fast. There are very high end systems, like those Mercedes uses, that will stop the vehicle faster than any human ever could, in any condition. But then again Mercedes did pretty much invent ABS, so they've been doing it a while. Their 4 matic system coupled with ABS is absolutely incredible.
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I actually wish my Jeep had come with ABS, with an disable/off-road switch on the dash. I like ABS for winter driving.

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Old 04-24-2012, 11:21 AM   #62
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I had an FJ cruiser when they first came out and the abs was disabled when you put it in 4HI. Nice touch. Full time AWD since it was a 6speed and 50/50 when you locked it in. Nice rig, IFS and all.

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Back in the day, I had an '89 Peugeot, 505 STX, it had the Lockheed, ABS, I was an ABS skeptic until owning that car,, very impressive, and now I've got ABS on all 7 axles, with disc brakes on this rig I drive.. Once all 18 wheelers are equipped with discs, and ABS, jackknifed rigs will be a distant memory.. Do I wish I has ABS on my Rubi ? Yes..
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I actually wish my Jeep had come with ABS, with an disable/off-road switch on the dash. I like ABS for winter driving.
My first TJ had ABS and the Jeep ABS brochure it came with (which I still have) said the ABS system was automatically disabled at speeds under 5mph. Personally I'm a big believer in ABS. My ego isn't big enough to make me think I can out-brake an ABS system.
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Looks like Black magic and I belong to the same school on this issue. Frankly, I would raise the age to 18. Some states will pull you DL until you are 18 for things like drinking now already. I know too many parents who have buried their kids ( myself included, though not a car situation).

Any teen who thinks they are a good driver is wishful thinking. You are just lucky.
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Looks like Black magic and I belong to the same school on this issue. Frankly, I would raise the age to 18. Some states will pull you DL until you are 18 for things like drinking now already. I know too many parents who have buried their kids ( myself included, though not a car situation).

Any teen who thinks they are a good driver is wishful thinking. You are just lucky.
In CA, they have a provision that for the first year, new teen drivers can not have other teens in the vehicle when they are driving without a chaperone.

In my old neighborhood, not one of them or their parents followed or enforced that rule.
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In CA, they have a provision that for the first year, new teen drivers can not have other teens in the vehicle when they are driving without a chaperone.

In my old neighborhood, not one of them or their parents followed or enforced that rule.
Add to that for the first year, teens can't between 11pm-5am without a chaperone
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In CA, they have a provision that for the first year, new teen drivers can not have other teens in the vehicle when they are driving without a chaperone.

In my old neighborhood, not one of them or their parents followed or enforced that rule.
In Colorado it's six months no passengers other than family. After six months your allowed 1 person until your 17. After 17 I can't remember what it goes to, you might be limited to 2 or 3 people until 18. Either way, same thing around here. Nobody enforces it, parents don't, law enforcement doesn't, nobody cares. Kids bean pack their cars full and go to lunch everyday.

I absolutely never broke these rules because (other than the fact that my parents WOULD take my license away) my parents drilled in the seriousness of liability issues. If you get in an accident and a passenger you aren't legally allowed to have in the car gets hurt, you've just opened you family up to a massive liability suit.
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Very true.

The national highway safety commission has some incredible stats on teen drivers.

For one thing, the accident rate and fatality rate increases a ton for each additional passenger.

I live a few blocks from our HS. Many of the kids are clueless. They speed. They don't stop at SS.

We had a mock accident last week at the school complete with a medivac helo. It was really amazing.
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For one thing, the accident rate and fatality rate increases a ton for each additional passenger.
Peer pressure among teens is a (pardon my French) bitch. I suspect peer pressure is probably a huge contributing factor to teen fatalities.
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Very true.

The national highway safety commission has some incredible stats on teen drivers.

For one thing, the accident rate and fatality rate increases a ton for each additional passenger.

I live a few blocks from our HS. Many of the kids are clueless. They speed. They don't stop at SS.

We had a mock accident last week at the school complete with a medivac helo. It was really amazing.
I like this.

About 5 years ago, right before the start of my freshman year, my parents and I were traveling to some event at the highschool. About 4 blocks from the school were about to turn right onto the main school road. We were sitting at the front waiting to turn right and there was a GMC Acadia next to us. We hear sirens and next thing you know a guy in a stolen truck runs the red light in the opposite direction as us. He hits the front clip of a BMW in the middle of the intersection, flips into the air and lands on top the the Acadia 2 feet next to us, bounces off and continues to roll 4 or 5 times into a power poll.

The front of the BMW was sheared off at the firewall, the roof of the Acadia was collapsed in, and our Mercedes was peppered with dings where parts hit and rubber spot on the hood where a tire bounced off. Guy in the BMW completely okay. In the Acadia was a mother, father, and baby in the back. The baby was okay, father taken to hospital in ambulance and mother was air lifted out after the firemen cut the roof off. Guy in the truck crawled out completely unscathed. As far as I know the mother had a broken neck and other major injuries, but survived.

Very life changing experience watching all this play out afterwards. Certainly changed my perspective on driving.
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Thankfully I was able to impress upon my children that driving is indeed a matter of life. Or death ,,,, I am a Smith System Safe Driver instructor,,, it's a great course, and I encourage all parents to contact their school board members and require all driver Ed teachers to take this instructional course..
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I'm 16. And I will admit that I breaks the law about the more than one person in the vehicle at once. But that is the only one that I SOMETIMES break. And it's not that often

Our law states that you can't have more than one person (unless with someone over 21) until the driver is over 17.

I don't break the rule often but I sometimes take 3 other people to school and don't want to leave them hangin... And I agree PEER PRESSURE is a very influential thing. I try not to have more than one person in the car but sometimes it just ends up that way...
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I live in Mississippi and got my full license at 15 1/2 years of age. I'm only 18 now, but I must admit that was way to young to be driving a car on your own. Nearly all of my friends had a wreck in the first 6 months. Not just fender benders either, real serious accidents. I think they changed the age to 16 now.
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Road tests now a days really should include some kind of panic stop/ emergency situation in order to pass. Up here in NY the snow really gets alot of people into trouble. I'll admit I've spun out a few times in the Jeep in the snow by accident- thankfully no other cars were around or close enough. Panic braking in snow is really a lose lose situation.
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Panic braking in snow is really a lose lose situation.
Completely agree. Snow and rain while on asphalt SUCK
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I know that there are a lot of kids even at 17/18 who shouldn't be behind the wheel of a vehicle. This is my senior year of highschool for those who dont know. Sadly I have seen one of my classmates pass away this year. In the two years before that we had another pass away. Along with 6 other teens or young adults I had gone to school with. All die in car accidents. I live in a fairly small town so this is a lot. I think it made a lot of people realize how driving irresponsibly isn't worth it. It's sad that it too so much loss for people to get it through their head. I agree the driving tests should be able 10x harder.
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:24 PM   #78
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I had to parallel park in my drivers test.... And I only got 3 points taken off so I am a fantastic driver

My parents say that you become a better driver with experience, but I say when ur young and ur reflexes are good ur at ur best ....... Just kiddin
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update

Got everything done today- rotors turned, ceramics put on, and everything re greased. These things are awesome! No more brake noise, no squealing, total silence when you hit the brakes. After months of squealing/squeaky brakes I've learned a lesson- never ever ever ever waste money on metallic brake pads any more. Just spend the extra bucks and buy ceramics- no brake dust, no noise, no headaches. Couldn't be happier.
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Got everything done today- rotors turned, ceramics put on, and everything re greased. These things are awesome! No more brake noise, no squealing, total silence when you hit the brakes. After months of squealing/squeaky brakes I've learned a lesson- never ever ever ever waste money on metallic brake pads any more. Just spend the extra bucks and buy ceramics- no brake dust, no noise, no headaches. Couldn't be happier.
How much were the ceramics? Mine a re terrible with squeaking!
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How much were the ceramics? Mine a re terrible with squeaking!
I got mine from advance auto for $40. I bought them over the weekend when they had a discount sale. I think normally they are in the low $50s. I'm sure there are other discounts for advance you can find somewhere- there was more than one going on when I got mine. Worth every penny to me. I got the wearever platinums.
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I got mine from advance auto for $40. I bought them over the weekend when they had a discount sale. I think normally they are in the low $50s. I'm sure there are other discounts for advance you can find somewhere- there was more than one going on when I got mine. Worth every penny to me. I got the wearever platinums.
I heard not to get the wearever ones... Anyone else know if this is true??
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Hey all,

Just got back from advance- ended up using the discount they got going today and got wearever platinum ceramics. These are supposed to be good pads and should be silent. The reviews seemed to indicate these were a good quality pad plus I got a deal on them.

The reason I didn't go for the black magics is mostly because I'm a student without a ton of money to spend, so i always try to find the best trade off between quality and total spending. As long as these quiet things down I'll be extremely happy and never ever ever ever ever go back to metallic pads . I just need some good pads that will get me a few more years until I have the money/can take the Jeep off the road and start the restoration/build up I got planned for it.

And I did not get lifetime pads Jerry to answer your question. These wearever pads are supposed to be pretty darned good. I'll update in a few days when they get on.
Just curious how the pads are doing?

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