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Old 01-28-2013, 04:28 PM   #1
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Im going to get a new radiator soon, I decided not to go with OEM and probably get the all aluminum 3-row champion radiator. Has anyone else on here had/have one? If so let me know how it is or if there's other brands I should look at, I'm trying to stay around $200

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2 junk plastic spectras in 2 months from autozone ,one blew out the bottom this one is pissing out the top crimp. All steel one coming from radiator barn will be here tomorrow.Im still very suspect this 4.0 has a leaking head or gasket but no signs or symptoms other than popping radiators.

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Let me know how everything goes. you should take pictures and do a thread on the whole project
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I had multiple all aluminum radiators and just put a new OEM one back in last week. I thought, "Hey all aluminum this is gonna be great and last forever.'' I was so wrong. And they weren't cheapo rads either. First one lasted about 5 months and the last one 1 month. Hope you have better luck. I'm bitter It was covered under warranty but it wasn't worth it sending them pictures and putting the new one in again and again.


Ohioviper I would try a new radiator cap too maybe yours isn't venting under pressure.
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You fellas haven't searched this subject very well have ya?
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All steel one coming from radiator barn will be here tomorrow.
An all-steel radiator? Something's wrong with that picture.
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I've never seen or heard of an all steel, or even partial steel, radiator. Steel is the last material you'd want a radiator made from. Maybe stainless, But I've never seen one of those either. The heat transfer qualities of steel just isn't great compared to brass, or aluminum, not to mention rust issues. It'd be really heavy, too.
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I ran an American Eagle, which is the same company as Champion, in my '67 CJ5. It was a really nice unit...
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I meant to say all metal.Which I assume is copper and brass..You guys have to weed through some of my post. I work shift work and lots of OT so I can be a little off the mark at times.

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At work, all the TJ radiators I replace get brass units from Performance radiator. In fact, ALL radiators I use are from Performance. The point is, I won't install a composite radiator in a TJ.
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I ended up using the OE style from radiator barn and it has held I great. Looked at the all metal model as well but price was my deciding factor.
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A single row radiator will be more efficient for the types of uses typical to a Jeep. In fact Jeep went from the original 2 row all aluminum core radiator to a single row all aluminum core radiator for slightly better cooling around 2001.

More rows don't necessarily mean better cooling.
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More rows don't necessarily mean better cooling.
Correct.
"Back in the day" That't the way it was. You need more cooling? You needed more rows of tubes. They never used big, wide tubes then.
A single row of 1" tubes cools as well or better than 2 rows of 1/2" tubes, and makes for a thinner overall core.
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I ran an American Eagle, which is the same company as Champion, in my '67 CJ5. It was a really nice unit...
I've been looking at the American Eagle for the TJ, and have been really considering it. It's got 2-rows of 1" tubes. Based on the pictures I've seen, it appears to have about 5-6 less vertical tubes than stock. I measured my OEM radiator at about 1" tubes, 1-row. I might be missing something, but I can't see how the AE (2 x 1") would cool worse than the OEM (1 x 1") since it's basically two OEM radiators sandwiched together.

Like the OP, I'd also like to hear more reviews from folks with these specific radiators, especially those who've had them for months/years w/ an 18lb cap.
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In fact Jeep went from the original 2 row all aluminum core radiator to a single row all aluminum core radiator for slightly better cooling around 2001.
What is the basis for the "slightly better cooling claim?" Sure it wasn't slightly better cost containment?

AMC Jeeps had copper/brass radiators; their tanks didn't crack at the drop of a hat.

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In fact, ALL radiators I use are from Performance.
Hopefully, their radiators are better than their website. Not much info there.
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I've been looking at the American Eagle for the TJ, and have been really considering it. It's got 2-rows of 1" tubes. Based on the pictures I've seen, it appears to have about 5-6 less vertical tubes than stock. I measured my OEM radiator at about 1" tubes, 1-row. I might be missing something, but I can't see how the AE (2 x 1") would cool worse than the OEM (1 x 1") since it's basically two OEM radiators sandwiched together.

Like the OP, I'd also like to hear more reviews from folks with these specific radiators, especially those who've had them for months/years w/ an 18lb cap.
It won't cool worse. Not with 1" tubes. The factory 2 row radiators didn't have 1" tubes. The idea is one row of 1" tubes cools better than 2 rows of, say, 1/2" tubes. Like I said, used to be they just added more rows of the same width tubes to make a " heavy duty" radiator. Back then they were always brass. Do thicker tubes cool better if they're aluminum, instead of brass? I don't know, but I doubt it.
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In other words, they used to just ad more rows of the same thickness tubes. Now, less rows of thicker tubes seems to be the way. Is it because of the aluminum cores used today, instead of brass? I doubt it. Aluminum has better heat transfer than brass, and is cheaper. I'd bet that the welding processes of aluminum weren't good enough years ago. Am I rambling?
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Im going with the all metal because if it springs a leak I can get it repaired at the local radiator shop.All of my old Jeeps had metal radiators and I never had any problems. This plastic stuff is a joke with an 18lb cap. I suspect sons 4.0 has a blown head gasket or cracked head that only pisses exhaust gas into cooling system when its cold but when warm its fine. If I tighten the cap and start it up and leave it set to warm up while temperature is under 20 is will start pushing coolant out .If it is already warm and then I top it off and close up cap it will run all day and not leak.

I guess I need to go buy that block tester and check for exhaust gas when its cold. This one really has me stumped. Oil is clean, plugs clean and dry, exhaust clean no overheating. No signs at all other than blowing radiators .And yes it has new 18lb cap,new water pump,new thermostat and everything works great drive all day no problems other than when starting and letting it set and warm up after sitting all night.
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yep, one nice thing about brass radiators is they're easy to repair (properly, solder) at home. I think I was 14 years old when I repaired my first brass radiator.
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UPS guy ran early today. New 2 row all metal Radiator barn unit installed.Looks nice and sturdy.Seems to cool well unusually warm 72 here today, and best of all no leaks ..yet.
Looks to be copper tubes and brass upper and lower tanks.Feels solid so I guess we will see how it goes.Didnt blow on cold start but then its not cold today.
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UPS guy ran early today. New 2 row all metal Radiator barn unit installed.Looks nice and sturdy.Seems to cool well unusually warm 72 here today, and best of all no leaks ..yet.
Looks to be copper tubes and brass upper and lower tanks.Feels solid so I guess we will see how it goes.Didnt blow on cold start but then its not cold today.
Some pics would be nice. Their drawing from their website leaves a lot to the imagination. Keep us posted on how it holds up.
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If he is home and I can remember to get some pics tomorrow I will. It looks just like any other old fashion copper and brass radiator you have ever seen.Dimensions its exactly the same as the plastic OEM. All mounting points ect exact same.It might be a touch thicker but not much.The top tank may be a little bigger but not much.
Just found a picture of it online.
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Hey neighbor. I picked up a 2 row champion a few months back. So far no complaints. No need for 3 row.
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Update radiator barn all steel 2 row still holding . Knock on wood.
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I replaced my 2002 40 stock rad with a champion it was a very nice unit fit perfect .
The dam thing leaked like a sive from 2 places in the core .
I called for replacement and they told me to send them the defective unit for inspection and they would repair or replace. It would take a few weeks .

Ya rite i'm going to walk for a few weeks, will these guys jerk around with the post rad they sent me .
Lucky for me my sons wrecked that tj before i had to fix it .
I would not buy champion again.

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