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Old 01-13-2013, 05:09 PM   #1
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CJ7 vs. newer TJ

Hey guys-
I am new to the forum and had a question. I currently own a 1979 CJ7, the tub is rusting all over, including the body mount sections. Was looking for any advice anyone might be able to offer, trying to answer the question if it is worth putting so much cash into the CJ ( will need body tub, gas tank, possibly fenders, and should have the frame sandblasted and painted if the tub is off) or should I sell it and buy a newer (2004ish) TJ and save some of the expense? Engine and drive train are in good shape, all stock yet with the 6cyl engine. Didn't know if the CJ has better drive train components than a TJ, or are they about the same?
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:02 PM   #2
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The tj has better everything imo.

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not the classics though
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not the classics though
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It all depends on the set up and options that your cj came with versus the tj you are looking to buy.
For instance. The narrow track axle on your cj is not nearly as stable as the wider track of a tj. That said an amc 20 can easily be fit with 1 piece axles making it stronger than a Dana 44.
If your cj was equipped with power brakes then you have a better brake set up than a majority of tj's.
The cross over steering is a better set up on a cj than a tj however the handling characteristics of a tj are far better.
I can go on a long list that continues with about every component. Best advice I can give is to find a tj to test drive and see if you like it.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:54 PM   #6
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It all depends on the set up and options that your cj came with versus the tj you are looking to buy.
For instance. The narrow track axle on your cj is not nearly as stable as the wider track of a tj. That said an amc 20 can easily be fit with 1 piece axles making it stronger than a Dana 44.
If your cj was equipped with power brakes then you have a better brake set up than a majority of tj's.
The cross over steering is a better set up on a cj than a tj however the handling characteristics of a tj are far better.
I can go on a long list that continues with about every component. Best advice I can give is to find a tj to test drive and see if you like it.
That's debatable! The 20 still has smaller diameter shafts and with a Jantz k44 convention you can run a jk 44 ring and pinion which is 9" and has a much bigger pinion shank. The tj uses a np231 which is synchronized unlike the d300 or d20, or worse a quadra trac which may not even have low range. The lp30 in his cj uses 260x joints vs the larger 5-760x in the tj. The 4.0 makes more hp and tq then a 304 did in 79. Not much to love about a cj.
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That's debatable! The 20 still has smaller diameter shafts and with a Jantz k44 convention you can run a jk 44 ring and pinion which is 9" and has a much bigger pinion shank. The tj uses a np231 which is synchronized unlike the d300 or d20, or worse a quadra trac which may not even have low range. The lp30 in his cj uses 260x joints vs the larger 5-760x in the tj. The 4.0 makes more hp and tq then a 304 did in 79. Not much to love about a cj.
Ever driven one?
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Ever driven one?
Yep. Got one in pieces right now.
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That's debatable! The 20 still has smaller diameter shafts and with a Jantz k44 convention you can run a jk 44 ring and pinion which is 9" and has a much bigger pinion shank. The tj uses a np231 which is synchronized unlike the d300 or d20, or worse a quadra trac which may not even have low range. The lp30 in his cj uses 260x joints vs the larger 5-760x in the tj. The 4.0 makes more hp and tq then a 304 did in 79. Not much to love about a cj.
Not much to love? Are we talking about the same CJ7's? My uncle had one a long time ago, and it's the whole reason I have a TJ. And a CJ7/5 is the one thing I'd trade my TJ in on. Sure, they're not as "civilized" as a TJ, but they're classics man.
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Not much to love about a cj.
Sounds short sighted to me.

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And maybe your TJ friends can wheel where you can.

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Real jeep. Stop it it hurts to laugh this hard. I have a 76 cj7 it's no more or less a jeep then my tj. Tj's are a better version of a jeep. I get the waves now. You have the cheap to modify part right though!
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Not much to love? Are we talking about the same CJ7's? My uncle had one a long time ago, and it's the whole reason I have a TJ. And a CJ7/5 is the one thing I'd trade my TJ in on. Sure, they're not as "civilized" as a TJ, but they're classics man.
So you would trade your tj for a jeep with inferior parts!
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It depends on what you like. Personally, I think CJ's are awesome, but a tj is more capable off road. With that said, a CJ is more fun and takes a more skilled driver to take on the same obstacles a TJ will run. If its your dd or dedicated rock crawler, I would vote TJ. If its your weekend trail rig and cruiser, then the CJ is the way to go.
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My cj spanks my lj in certain situations, my lj spanks my cj in some situations. The coolest part about a jeep is the ability to customize, and there is nothing that I can think of more customizable than a cj7. Mine has an 85 tub on a 78 frame with an 82 360 and a 75 transmission on the original Dana 20, which is gear driven and far stronger than a 231. I can walk faster than it crawls in lo and I can still out gun a camaro on the street in hi, but off camber, not a strong suit. Plus anything is upgradable.
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So you would trade your tj for a lesser capable jeep!
Depends on the jeep, although I'd really want both
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Stock vs stock, the TJ wins in practically every department.

Coolness factor, its close and im an ex TJ owner turned CJ owner. I like the older Jeeps.
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I had a CJ8 and now drive a LJ. I prefer the LJ for comfort, factory fuel injection and comforts. A big bonus is the LJ does not leak as bad the Scrambler did. However that being said CJ 's are just cool and there are less of them around. If you don't mind turning wrenches then I would work on the CJ. They both can be made very trail capable as you know so it just boils down to your preferences.
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Real jeep. Stop it it hurts to laugh this hard. I have a 76 cj7 it's no more or less a jeep then my tj. Tj's are a better version of a jeep. I get the waves now. You have the cheap to modify part right though!

Stop laughing please! I wouldn't want you to get hurt!

I understand your thinking. JK's are a better version of a Jeep than a TJ. I have two JK's, a 2007 and a 2012 (photo). If it came down to owning just one Jeep (including a TJ, YJ or whatever) I would keep my CJ-7.



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or less than building a Wrongler you can have a real Jeep the Harley riders, Cops, small children and veteran Jeepers will give a high sign to.
Pfft! The last real Jeep was built in 1971..And that's a stretch since AMC owned Jeep by then. Feb. 1970 was a sad date in Jeep history.
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Stop laughing please! I wouldn't want you to get hurt!

I understand your thinking. JK's are a better version of a Jeep than a TJ. I have two JK's, a 2007 and a 2012 (photo). If it came down to owning just one Jeep (including a TJ, YJ or whatever) I would keep my CJ-7.
You got it. Your jk is a better version of a jeep then a tj. It's better equipped and needs less to improve ground clearance , other then the plastic grill of which I'm not a fan . My original point was a cj7 from 79 isn't as well built as a tj. The op had said he didn't know if the parts were better in the cj7, or the same. They aren't. The tj wins in the parts debate.
I understand the love for nostalgic jeeps but the cj isn't on on on par with a tj from mechanical perspective.
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In the cold hard light of practicality, you can't fix up a CJ for the same money as a TJ. Even if you sandblast and paint the frame, the rust still eats through from the inside. YES you can buy a rust free aftermarket frame and just about any body panel - or even a full aftermarket tub. But unless you are doing a full stock restoration, you will have an unoriginal, modified CJ when you are done - worth a few hundred $ after you spent thousands of $ building it.

There is no argument that when a CJ rolls at highway speeds, it is more likely to kill and maim it's occupants than a TJ with airbags and a better rollcage and real seatbelts that are not decades old.

There are circumstances where a V8 CJ would "spank" a TJ - like mud and certain muddy trails. But 90+% of the time, a TJ with flexy suspension and a 4.0L engine, would be a better, more capable offroad ride.

There are situations unlikely to arise - like a nuclear war with EMP - where an old points-type distributor and a carburetor is more desireable than FI and electronic everything - but honestly, in a time where gasoline costs $4 a gallon, get the TJ.

Or DON'T, if building a CJ is something you want to do. You will certainly gain more fabrication skills on a CJ, where most things have to be built rather than bolted on. Fun is not measured in dollars and cents, after all. The better hobby is the one that soaks up more hours and dollars and keeps you busy longer. The TJ is gonna give you more fun offroad for less money - probably a lot less. But maybe the CJ ends up being the better Jeep for you, all things considered.
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There are circumstances where a V8 CJ would "spank" a TJ
As far as that goes, my V6 CJ5 would "spank" a TJ

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I have a YJ, so i say get one of those..... but I also had two Cj's and 4 TJ's... the bottom line is if you feel you want to invest and rebuild the CJ do it, if not then get what you like. The biggest positive on a TJ is the ride and off road readiness right out of the box. The CJ positive is, very simple to work on.
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It's not like you couldn't put a better motor in a tj. It's a better base than a cj. I see no advantage in the cj other than nostalgia.
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It's not like you couldn't put a better motor in a tj.
Done all the time, right?
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What a stupid argument. Why don't you just argue redhead vs blonde vs brunette? It's likely to have the same chance of being answered.

It's a matter of personal preference, if you don't know that, then buy an Accord so you won't have to worry about which one is better.
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It all depends on what you like. I think the real question is: Do you like to work on restoring your Jeep or just driving one?
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NEVER bet against a CJ versus anything but an MJ.............
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Back to the OP, is your CJ7 a daily driver or a weekend toy? Given the outline you gave us on the CJ, do you have the skills to do the body work, etc to maintain and manage the CJ? I've had my CJ5 for about 7 years, but it has always been a weekend toy, so i have the luxury of just rolling it back into the garage if i cant figure out how to fix something. On the days I chose to drive it into the office its a blast! If i had to drive it daily it would be more stressful. I recently traded out of my DD for a 04 TJ, and I have to say I'm loving it so far, and the aftermarket support rocks. Manners on the road and interstate are also really nice. It all comes down to what you like and can maintain. Just make sure whatever you do, you do it in some form of a Jeep!

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