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Old 02-08-2013, 06:03 AM   #1
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Is it worth it to buy a coilover kit vs a regular lift. I'm into flexing a lot and was wondering is it worth it to pay the extra money for a coilover kit and if so what is a good one that stretches the wheel base to around 100 for running 37 or 40 inch tires

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if you're looking to do all the fabrication work yourself to outboard shock mounts, relocate control arm mounts, add custom arm lengths, swap axles and basically redesign every part of your suspension, steering and many parts of the frame & body, then yes all the work is absolutely worth it if you wheel in hardcore areas where all that work matters. Cost to play is generally $10k-$20k+ in parts alone, and you spend countless hours doing the work with at least another $3-5k or so in tools.

Here's some reading to show you what's involved:
Project REDLYNER: Rock Crawler Driven Daily... - JeepForum.com
Ultimate Wrangler Build Ups and Swaps thread - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

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Old 02-10-2013, 10:44 AM   #3
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Could u fit 37 with a lift kit without having to move the axles back or t
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Cost to play is generally $10k-$20k+ in parts alone, and you spend countless hours doing the work with at least another $3-5k or so in tools.
$10-20k in parts to make the switch to coilovers? I got GenRights 3/4 link kit on my jeep and it only cost me $2500 for it and to do to run coilovers are the shock hoops up in front ($299) and the outboard brackets ($299), both come with all the hardware and shock mounts. And of course the coilovers price depending on which brand you go with (Kings from Genright $549 ea. X4). Or you could always just buy their coilover kits which have everything for $6k.

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$10-20k in parts to make the switch to coilovers?
ok $6k for just the coilovers. now add the antirock sway bars, the stronger axles (60s or 609s) & custom steering to run the 40s the OP wants to, gears & lockers, then the tires and wheels and see if you can keep it under $10k.

however, my suspicion is the OP is wondering about his JK...but he's in the TJ forum, so of course he's getting TJ responses...
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No I'm wondering about a tj because I have a 98 tj I got for cheap and was wondering if I should go the rout of coilovers or just get a lift. I just want a lift kit I can get a lot of flex from
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ok $6k for just the coilovers. now add the antirock sway bars, the stronger axles (60s or 609s) & custom steering to run the 40s the OP wants to, gears & lockers, then the tires and wheels and see if you can keep it under $10k.

however, my suspicion is the OP is wondering about his JK...but he's in the TJ forum, so of course he's getting TJ responses...
Yeah see my jeep came with Dana 44s and the antirock sway bars already so I guess I didn't account for that being needed to buy. And I'm only running 35's at the moment so I can see what you are trying to say about buying everything else.

But being the OP having a JK there's 10k right there just for the kit from GenRight. Another reason to own a TJ, everything is cheaper for them compared to the JKs.
This kit comes with gas tank and rear sway bar though.
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No I'm wondering about a tj because I have a 98 tj I got for cheap and was wondering if I should go the rout of coilovers or just get a lift. I just want a lift kit I can get a lot of flex from
Well then skip my last post about the JK kit from GenRight.

Does the TJ have any of those items Unlimited mentioned?
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As of right now it's all stock except poison spider front fenders but planning on going either a Dana 44 front and Dana 60 rear
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As of right now it's all stock except poison spider front fenders but planning on going either a Dana 44 front and Dana 60 rear
So you got a couple grand right just getting the axles and steering upgrades, like Unlimited stated. And then add either the whole kit ($5999 No options) from GenRight or buy the front/rear separate like i did there $2500 and buy the coilovers. So you'll be looking at around 10k minimum. But I would definitely get a kit from GenRight if you are wanting to go with coilovers. My kit is great and if I didn't get the 6pak shocks from MetalCloak, I would do coilovers too. Someday though.
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Is it worth it to buy a coilover kit vs a regular lift. I'm into flexing a lot and was wondering is it worth it to pay the extra money for a coilover kit and if so what is a good one that stretches the wheel base to around 100 for running 37 or 40 inch tires
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No I'm wondering about a tj because I have a 98 tj I got for cheap and was wondering if I should go the rout of coilovers or just get a lift. I just want a lift kit I can get a lot of flex from
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As of right now it's all stock except poison spider front fenders but planning on going either a Dana 44 front and Dana 60 rear
Your posts alone tell me that you're way out of your element and aren't considering about 100,000 details that will come into play. The worst thing you can do is dive into something like this without understanding what you're doing. Learn some stuff and revisit this topic in a year or so.
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Your posts alone tell me that you're way out of your element and aren't considering about 100,000 details that will come into play. The worst thing you can do is dive into something like this without understanding what you're doing. Learn some stuff and revisit this topic in a year or so.
That's why I'm asking questions?
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Coilovers aren't really going to flex any more or any less than a coil and shock setup. The major benefits are tighter packaging, versatile mounting options, dual rate springs, custom valving and rebuildability.

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That's why I'm asking questions?
start reading & digging into the links I posted, and the ones RubiCobra posted.
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Will do thank for the help
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I'm into flexing a lot
This one line proves to me you are in no way ready for coil overs, stretched wheel base and 40s.

1. once you get into coilovers its not about "flex" its more about travel and belly height

2. there are no "kits" out there there are collections of parts that you make work and dial in.

3. coil overs are not a set and forget they require a good amount of tuning, maintenance and knowledge of suspensions to work correctly.

good luck your going to need it
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I don't get y people are so negative towards me if your not helping my questions please don't post thank you
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Just to give you some perspective on the higher level discussions pertaining to coilover tuning

Fn - modern suspension freqs and 2013KOH cars - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Ultimate Wrangler Build Ups and Swaps thread - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

That second link should provide you about a year's worth of learning material. Combine that with the two 'Bible' links you were already given and the technical aspect of tuning, you should return back to this thread a suspension expert as long as you can absorb it. Get to work.....those links are far more valuable than any thread you could ever start. Your questions will be answered by research, not by starting vague threads on a forum that tends to be weak in technical discussions.
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I don't get y people are so negative towards me if your not helping my questions please don't post thank you
Think about it this way - you basically just walked into a professor's office and said "tell me about plastic"....without taking the 4 years of organic chemistry and polymer chemistry/physics necessary to start an intelligent conversation.
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2. there are no "kits" out there there are collections of parts that you make work and dial in.

3. coil overs are not a set and forget they require a good amount of tuning, maintenance and knowledge of suspensions to work correctly.

Not exactly. It depends on your budget.

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There are kits with coilovers that are pre-valved for the front and rear of a LJ/TJ and come with the appropriate coils, all of the mounting hardware, etc.

If you are ok with spending the money, buy this: GenRight EXTREME Suspension Package

Then buy your axles, and your 40's. Take all of this goodness to a competent shop and be ready to write them a BIG check. You'll have a very very nice coilover system that will kick ass on the rocks.
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There are kits with coilovers that are pre-valved for the front and rear of a LJ/TJ and come with the appropriate coils, all of the mounting hardware, etc.

If you are ok with spending the money, buy this: GenRight EXTREME Suspension Package

Then buy your axles, and your 40's. Take all of this goodness to a competent shop and be ready to write them a BIG check. You'll have a very very nice coilover system that will kick ass on the rocks.

Or if he really has the money to spend and wants to ship his whole jeep to GenRight, they do a chassis exchange program where you swap your old chassis with one of their pre built chassis. They even come with RockJock 60 axles if you want to spend that much.

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I don't get y people are so negative towards me if your not helping my questions please don't post thank you
Like what RubiCorba and I said there are kits out that have every single thing you need for the suspension part, look into buying one of those kits and work off of them. That's what I did and didn't have to go through the flaming part of asking all these questions you don't know the answer to or just didn't look far enough into. Some won't give you the time of day to answer your question and just tell you come back when you are actually informed on what you are talking about, just got to find the right people who are willing to walk you though it instead of just telling good luck you'll need it.
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This thread is so entertaining.
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This thread is so entertaining.
It's wrangler forum they always get entertaining. But nothing like Pirate4x4 forums.
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It's wrangler forum they always get entertaining. But nothing like Pirate4x4 forums.
These type of threads are basically the only reason I visit WF.

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