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Old 07-16-2007, 09:08 AM   #1
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Convince me! Steel vs Alloy

I currently have alloy wheels (Canyons) on my 4cyl TJ. The TJ's look is green/black and I've got a chance to get some AR767 black steel wheels for a good price.

Why should I stick with one vs the other? The AR767's weigh about 23 lbs each, but I don't know the Canyon's weight. My Canyons have a LOT of rock rash on the lip from my wheeling, so I'm wondering if steel wheels would be good or bad..

Convince me one way or the other which one I should go with...

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pros:
for your jeep, black steelies will really tie in the whole look
i'd rather bend/scratch a $35 wheel than a $100 wheel
steelies are cheap
steelies are inexpensive
steelies do not cost very much
you can get steelies for a good price
the steelie price fits the WAF way more than an alloy
cons:
they may weigh a little more than an alloy, but how much are we talking here?
they may bend easier


in short, get the steelies. if one bends (which is not as common as it's made out to be)...$35 and you have a new one.

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I KNEW you'd have something to say about it, Mr. Allblack Jeep.
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:26 AM   #4
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Steelies arent garunteed to not be out of round new, they balance hard, bend easy, and usually dont last more than a year of hard wheeling w/o bending. Not to mention you got a 4 banger, and probably want as least rotational weight as possible.

Look into black aluminium wheels.
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:16 AM   #5
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I just got some craiger soft 8s on my 4cyl. very happy with them it feels a little different driving w/out the alloys on but I'm very satisfied and at 190 shipped for 5 wheels who wouldn't be.
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:45 AM   #6
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Take steel wheel and lay on driveway, take aluminum wheel and lay next to steel wheel, now take 5lb sledge and hit edge of steel till it bends then turn over and bend it back, do same on aluminum wheel, clean up aluminum chunkis and pieces. Then decide which you would rather have on the trial after bending it on a rock.

If you still want aluminum go with MT HOT FORGED aluminum, those you can bend back.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:04 AM   #7
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I like the comparison rich.
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two words man waggy wheels
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two didgets $39 (each wheel, if you didn't know)
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you could buy the wheels ship them to my house and I will test them out and do a write up for you and post it, along with some helpful information lol
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two didgets $39 (each wheel, if you didn't know)

where did you find them for 39 a wheel? 15x8's right?
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ya I found a special deal online, sorry I did a misquote on that price...it was actually broke down to $32 each and 30 for shipping on all five. so $190 for everything. I will check my link and get back to you in a few min.

and yes 15X8
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here is the link to the store:

http://store.kryptonitecustomworks.com/cragar.html

this is the link I found when I was searching for them:

http://rcboards.com/eve/forums/a/tpc...2/m/1531069643

and again I was wrong (sorry just one of those days). it was $159.99 for the rims and $30 for shipping, so...it was still approximately $190.00 and for those who are in to that PC crap $189.99
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www.summitracing.com sells crager soft 8s in the 15x8 flavor for $39 each. i paid $34 each for mine from there about a year ago. not surprising as steel has not exactly been going for bargain prices these days.
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in my experiance with summit, they're shipping is a little outragous. I got my wheels within a week and a half after I ordered them and you denfinately cant beat $30 for shipping on the whole order. for those of us who shop online ya'll know what I'm talkin about.
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Screw the shipping, go check out a few of your local stores. You may find they are pretty competitive.
There are certain things I will buy on line, others I won't. Anything heavy with killer shipping I get locally. I bought my warn bumpers for two TJ's for the same price that quadratec had minus about $50 shipping from a local 4x4 shop. They even matched my blue mountain jeep membership discount.
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You guys are forgetting the bigest difference:

Stock wheels= stock offset
black wheel= sit out further with different offset.
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so that means you can get wider tires! lol
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I have both. I have my factory Moabs and some el cheapo black steelies. When I wheeled with the Moabs on I always worried about rock rash and knowing that if I ever destroyed one I'd have to pay out the arse to get a replacement. Now that I run 99% of the time with the steel wheels I don't worry about it. I figure for the price of one Moab I can have 4 steel wheels. I say if you wheel your Jeep (which you do) then you can't go wrong with the steel.

Oh and Chad, you can get a steel wheel in any offset you want. Even the same offset as your factory wheels.
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Oh and Chad, you can get a steel wheel in any offset you want. Even the same offset as your factory wheels.
I have never found a site that I can order black steel wheels with factory wheels.
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I have never found a site that I can order black steel wheels with factory wheels.
Huh?

Are you talking about offset or getting a steel wheel that looks like a factory wheel?
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I have never found a site that I can order black steel wheels with factory wheels.
I think that he means that he never has been able to find a steel wheel with a factory offset.
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Cmoore on another forum said it best when comparing cheesy looking steel wheels to Alloys.

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There are only 3 pro's to running black steelies.

1. Less likely to be stolen (only if they want your tires)
2. Having to beat your rim back into shape with a hammer so it will hold air really amuses your friends (ask me how I know this)
3. non-jeepers think you're hardcore when you park at the mall
Just say no to the cheap @ss steely fad.
Most people buy them for that "hardcore" look, when all it really says is "I couldn't afford real wheels for my Jeep"
They bend easy, they look and balance like crap. Especially with an interco tire around them. Which are great tire, just not the best balancing things.
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all personal preferance scoob. I personally love the look and price of my steelys
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Cmoore on another forum said it best when comparing cheesy looking steel wheels to Alloys.

There are only 3 pro's to running black steelies.

1. Less likely to be stolen (only if they want your tires)
2. Having to beat your rim back into shape with a hammer so it will hold air really amuses your friends (ask me how I know this)
3. non-jeepers think you're hardcore when you park at the mall

Just say no to the cheap @ss steely fad.
Most people buy them for that "hardcore" look, when all it really says is "I couldn't afford real wheels for my Jeep"
They bend easy, they look and balance like crap. Especially with an interco tire around them. Which are great tire, just not the best balancing things.
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Just say no to the cheap @ss steely fad.
Most people buy them for that "hardcore" look, when all it really says is "I couldn't afford real wheels for my Jeep"
They bend easy, they look and balance like crap. Especially with an interco tire around them. Which are great tire, just not the best balancing things.
I didn't buy my "cheap @ss" steelies because it was a fad. Nor did I buy them because I couldn't afford real wheels for my Jeep. Nor did I buy them to "look hardcore". I bought them because they were cheap wheels that I didn't mind tearing up on the trail. I didn't see the point in destroying a set of WE Beadlocks @ $ 375 a piece or my factory Moabs for who knows what when I could easlily replace a torn up steel wheel for $ 50.00.
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I didn't buy my "cheap @ss" steelies because it was a fad. Nor did I buy them because I couldn't afford real wheels for my Jeep. Nor did I buy them to "look hardcore". I bought them because they were cheap wheels that I didn't mind tearing up on the trail. I didn't see the point in destroying a set of WE Beadlocks @ $ 375 a piece or my factory Moabs for who knows what when I could easlily replace a torn up steel wheel for $ 50.00.
glad someone said it and couldn't have said it better myself!
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I didn't see the point in destroying a set of WE Beadlocks @ $ 375 a piece
Okay just one point of contention. I do not believe it's possible to tear up a Walker wheel.

But you are right Scout. For the actual "Wheelin" crew then those black/white steel wheels are very easy to buy/ruin/replace instead of the 200 a piece alloy rim that someone like that person on another board that made the statement on the previous thread probably doesn't even wheel hard on the cool expensive alloys that he has.

I only paid 400 bucks for the 5 alloys I have so I wasn't worried about it. They are also just about at the point that they need replaced also because I have FAWKED them up.

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