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Old 04-18-2008, 03:46 PM   #1
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Cost of Regearing $1000, How did I do?

Hey guys and gals,

I've been doing my reading, and I finally pulled the trigger and went with 4:88. I have a 99 Wrangler with 35" tires, and 5" of lift. This thing is almost unsafe to drive on the freeway here in South Florida because it's such a dog. From everything i've read I chose the 4:88, my question is my local shop ended up charging me $1000 out the door. It was after a couple of hours of himming and hawing on my part. They started out at a quote of $1360. But it was one of those.... "if you put money down today we'll do it for 1K" deals....
Just curious if I got hosed since I didn't get any other quotes?

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OHH!!! And I ordered the smittybuilt seat cover with the MOLLE attachements on the back! I couldn't help it...

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Does that include the price of the gears and install kit?

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Yes, that's everything included, install kit, gears, fluid, and labor.....
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That's a fair price. I paid a little more than that for mine. Just make sure they know what the hell they're doing.
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I got him to throw in a fire extinguisher holder, but the seat cover was extra... lol
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My total price installed on gears is 625.
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Old 04-18-2008, 04:09 PM   #7
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I should have gone to where ever you went Clifford, I was $600 into the parts alone....

Did you do the instal?
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you got ripped on gears then. I have a guy that comes to my garage and does them for me at 125 per axle. Gears, install kits, and shipping from PORC = 375ish for 4.88 gears.
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I was into my gears for $550
but I know how to setup gears myself
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Andy you and I both know that 125 an axle is about 40% below industry standards. The gear price is pretty fair what you are talking, but at 1k out the door that guy got a good deal.
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Andy you and I both know that 125 an axle is about 40% below industry standards. The gear price is pretty fair what you are talking, but at 1k out the door that guy got a good deal.
Just because the guy comes over doesn't mean anything. I dropped my axles off to him at Holzmans Racing. Both axles cost me 250 and change for install. Just because industry standard says gear install should cost X amount of dollars doesn't mean I have to pay it.

Anyone around me is more than welcome to get the same deal.
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Just because the guy comes over doesn't mean anything. I dropped my axles off to him at Holzmans Racing. Both axles cost me 250 and change for install. Just because industry standard says gear install should cost X amount of dollars doesn't mean I have to pay it.

Anyone around me is more than welcome to get the same deal.
You know what I'm talking about. Just because one guy in random rural Kansas does diffs for about half the going rate doesn't mean that everyone can expect that where they live. Hell I put 4.56's in my jeep over the weekend because I got them for nothin and the boys at the shop helped me with the parts I got frustrated on. This thread isn't about what you paid. The guy is asking if he got a good deal and you know as well as I do that he did in fact get a good deal.
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I guess, instead of pissing up this guys thread, I will just make him feel good.

You got a hell of a deal. Don't look for any better deal because that is best it gets!
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I guess, instead of pissing up this guys thread, I will just make him feel good.

You got a hell of a deal. Don't look for any better deal because that is best it gets!
Well to counter that I guess I'll just say to him that he got screwed because in Wichita KS, anywhere you go gears are just 600 bucks to have installed.
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There is a guy in Nevada that does it for 550.;
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i paid 125 per axle for a friend to do it. you got a good deal.
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i paid 125 per axle for a friend to do it. you got a good deal.
there is someone in Texas at 125 per axle.
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If we want to be that way you all got screwed because I paid $0 per axle.
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yeah, and i had to pull my axles out and hand deliver them. looks kind of silly with one little axle on a 25' trailer.

hes not open for everyone, it was a friend deal
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If we want to be that way you all got screwed because I paid $0 per axle.
I'd hate for anyone to go around and say that 1000 for an install was a good deal when it was "industry standard". There are tons of options for gear install. It took me 3 years to find this guy. Now I send everyone to him because that is a good deal. Find a local jeep club, racer club, ricer club, anyone that will know someone to get a deal. They are out there.
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I'd hate for anyone to go around and say that 1000 for an install was a good deal when it was "industry standard". There are tons of options for gear install. It took me 3 years to find this guy. Now I send everyone to him because that is a good deal. Find a local jeep club, racer club, ricer club, anyone that will know someone to get a deal. They are out there.
I completely agree with you Andy. There are deals to be had. Paying $500 an axle plus gears like some places charge is assinine. But on general prinicple $1000 including all parts is a pretty damn good deal for a gear change in this day and age.

Especially now that I know how fawkin hard it is to get the D30 crush sleeve to crush.
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Dana axles suck. All shims!! You can start crushing the sleeve in the press to make it easier. Just buy a few extra at install time.
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Dana axles suck. All shims!! You can start crushing the sleeve in the press to make it easier. Just buy a few extra at install time.
Yeah, we tried that with this one. If I have to do it in a 30 again I'm just reusing the old crush sleeve and tightening down to specs.
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wow, lots of views here. $1,000 is a good deal in my area to pay a reputable shop. probably more like $1,200, but labor in my shop is $105.50 /hr, and it pays 5-6hrs. having friends that can do it is great. lots of people THINK they can set up rear ends, having a friend that can do it right is a great thing, cuz $1,200 is a lot of money for this job.
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Yeah, we tried that with this one. If I have to do it in a 30 again I'm just reusing the old crush sleeve and tightening down to specs.
i don't know how serious you are, but that sounds like a bad idea to me. the preload on your pinion bearing is important, once the sleeve is crushed, its crushed, it gradually loads that bearing. here's what i do if i gotta do it on the ground:

get a big pipe wrench, and a 3ft. pipe on the end of it. open pipe wrench to hold the yoke, hold it against the frame w/ a partner. take a breaker bar, w/ another big honkin pipe on the end, and gradually tighten the nut. i'm sure you did similar but its all about leverage. bigger the bar the better obviously.

sorry, just didn't want someone to think, oh, i can just reuse the old crush sleeve, thats easy
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i don't know how serious you are, but that sounds like a bad idea to me. the preload on your pinion bearing is important, once the sleeve is crushed, its crushed, it gradually loads that bearing. here's what i do if i gotta do it on the ground:

get a big pipe wrench, and a 3ft. pipe on the end of it. open pipe wrench to hold the yoke, hold it against the frame w/ a partner. take a breaker bar, w/ another big honkin pipe on the end, and gradually tighten the nut. i'm sure you did similar but its all about leverage. bigger the bar the better obviously.

sorry, just didn't want someone to think, oh, i can just reuse the old crush sleeve, thats easy
I know, I was half kidding because my rig is a trail only rig now days. Guess I should've mentioned that.

We had the heep up on the lift and was using a 750 ft. lb. gun on it with hands on the yoke to keep it from spinning. By the time we got pissed and should've used something to brace the yoke I just put on the gloves and held it and we just hammered down on it with the gun.
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Well this'l make you all feel like you got a GREAT deal; I have spent months looking for someone I trust to change out my gears. I am going from 3.07 to 4.56. I am having to change out my carriers and I am having a LSD in the rear axel. The only place around here (35m away) that I have been able to find wants 1k for the parts and another for the labor. I have a friend at work who had the exact same change made at a dealership in Lexington KY (125m up the road) seven years ago and it cost him $1800. Even if I buy the parts myself (summitracing); I cannot get them for much less than a thousand. Gears are about $300, carriers are about $500 then you still need the install kits. I am going to bite the bullet and have it done, stop whining about the cost and enjoy driving my Jeep again.
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There is a guy in Nevada that does it for 550.;
yeah but thats just the cost of the gear sets master install carriers and shipping

if I were to take it in to someone it would cost around $1000 with everything
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timely thread!

So need some advise on this from your expert jeepin gearheads...pretty please
I just got a quote from the most popular vendor and jeep specialist in our local jeep club. $450 per axle on the jeep or $250 ea dropped off. But I've got a good friend that is a Jeep Dealership ASE master mechanic that might do this for me below booked hours and probably 3/4 of normal labor rates. This guy is literally a mechanical genius, builds big time race cars, etc, etc. But lots of jeepers in my club keep telling to be extremely careful selecting who does gear work for me. They reference several issues and extremely specific details common to TJ setups when going from 3.73 to 4.56 on the D44 and I get lost about 30 seconds into it. Then tell me that dealerships techs only know how to remove a 3.73 and put another 3.73 back. Sure they can set the backlash, etc, etc. but when it comes to making the special little adjustments on thick gears...blah, blah, blah. I'm just about whipped by this ordeal and go for the cheapest route with my friend, but that could be a bad situation if things aren't done just right. Is it really that hard to do this gear switch and make these "super special" adjustments if you are a ASE mechanic? I wouldn't think so, but what the hell do I know. I'm just being a cry-bitch ain't I? Yeah probably, but it's my DD too!
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doing gears is not exactly what i would call a fun project. it's takes a alot of patience, time and very precise adjustments. as much as .005 thousands of an inch can lead to failure. i bought my own tools and parts and did mine myself just to learn how to do it. i'll find out soon how good of a job i did. but if i were paying someone else to do it i would make darn sure they knew what they were doing. my theory is "you get what you pay for" .

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