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Old 05-10-2007, 07:16 AM   #1
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Cupped MT/Rs

I feel retarded. My jeep has 23k on it, I assume the tires are the same. The fronts are Reaally bad..front of the lug is visibly taller than the back, and the middles worn noticeably more than the sides. They SCREAM and are pretty rough.

Backs look perfect with just under half life.

For the life of me, I cannot remember what causes it. Just improper pressure/alignment/rotation maintnance?
Should I get 2 more and have it aligned or can I finish wearing them out?

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I think that's caused by improper rotation. I would suggest you just put them on the back untill you need new tires. Just my thought.

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I thought about that, but the tread is so much lower I dont want to loose traction

I am going to my farm in WV in about 2 months, figured I would keep these on the front till then. Put rears on front, new in back, before I go play in red clay. I dont want the new ones to cup at 5,000 though, so I wanna be sure theres no issue
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I agree with Hank. Move the bad tires to the back. On pavement you have no concerns with traction. However, on pavement at speed your front tires control the vehicle. Having the better tires on the front where steering control is maintained makes more sense. I would also prefer to have a blowout on the rear tire rather than the front, if I had to choose.

Off pavement traction is not an issue either as 4wd can be used.
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You hav eot keep M/TR's rotated like every 3k miles if not they will start choppin out like you described I would rotate them and they should where even over time unless they are real bad the rears don't do it as bad because the just spin forward or backwards, not turning and wobbling around like the fronts. And if they are real bad I would get new ones.
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Ill take some pics and let you all decide. I go muddin' twice a month, and I will be deep in the WV mountains in red clay in 2 months. My jeep is also a daily driver. let me get pics.
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Yep it's important you rotate MT/Rs regularly so if you haven't been rotating and balancing them every 3000-5000 miles, that could be the problem. Cupping can easily also be caused by a combination of an out of balance tire together with a weak shock absorber.
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driver front


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pass tire side rear


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I dont mind buying 2 tires, I cant afford 4, and as I said, mud traction is important twice a month and critical in 2 months. This is a daily street driver too.
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I would still say to rotate them to the rear. Traction should not matter since the tread looks about the same in the pictures. I wouldn't recommend the MTR's for mud anyways. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree is me but they are still mainly an "All terrain". I would recommed a Super Swamper for the mud. I run the BFG AT's and I don't expect them to perform like a mud grip.
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I'm sure a lot of people will disagree is me but they are still mainly an "All terrain".
Few would confuse an MT/R for an all-terrain tire.
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Put the fronts in the rear and soap up the road and do some burnouts, that will get them flat again.
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Rotate em they ain't to bad I've seen worse they should even outpretty quick on the highway.

Yeah, I don't see how a M/TR could be confused as an all-terrain, maybe you can indulge me Hank so maybe I can possibly see the logic in that.
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They might not be swampers, but I personally think they do VERY well in the slop, compared to their road characteristics. I couldnt be happier with them unless they went 30,000 more miles

Ill rotate them tonite, balance as nesessary, thanks guys. How long till they are dead you think?
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JC like others have said if you put them in the rear they will smooth out for you. They will be a little louder on the road for awhile until they wear down, but no biggie on that. Just make sure that your alignment is no more than 1/8th toe in and that your tires are balanced properly and that should take care of the cupping. I had it on my first set of Baja Claws until I buttoned things up on the front end and then I haven't dealt with it at all since.
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do yourself a favor and don't buy 2 new ones. Just wear them out until they're done, then go get some BFG MT's. Much better tire IMO. Everyone I know that runs the MTR's hates them. They are loud, don't wear well, and don't last long.
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do yourself a favor and don't buy 2 new ones. Just wear them out until they're done, then go get some BFG MT's. Much better tire IMO. Everyone I know that runs the MTR's hates them. They are loud, don't wear well, and don't last long.
Ahem, those of us on the west coast who have switched en masse away from BFG's MT to the MT/R, as I did, will strongly disagree. Yes the BFG lasts nearly forever and it's much quieter than the MT/R but the MT/R's stronger carcass, SIGNIFICANTLY stronger sidewall, and more aggressive tread design is what the doctor ordered for our sharp rocks. We were destroying multiple BFG MTs on each trip through Johnson Valley but since the switch to MT/Rs, tire damage is now very rare. As a former BFG MT user (55K miles out of my last set) and current MT/R (on my second set, first set got 40K plus miles) user, it's like comparing a street tire to a really beefy trail tire in terms of strength and cut-resistance. If you wheel in mud or only care about exceptional wear and a quiet ride, stick with the BFG MT but if you're doing really hard-core trails that slice tires up, the MT/R is very tough to beat. The only BFG product that is the MT/R's equal is the Krawler. The BFG MT isn't even in the same category.

Kind of like this stuff on Sledgehammer in Johnson Valley...
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Jerry what do you think about the trxus mt. ivehad them about ayear and no problems yet. i dont do as hard trails as you do but im on Rocks alot.
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Never seet a Trxus MT where I wheel, sorry I can't comment on it other than I don't recall many supportive comments on Trxus in general.
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Ahem, those of us on the west coast who have switched en masse away from BFG's MT to the MT/R, as I did, will strongly disagree. Yes the BFG lasts nearly forever and it's much quieter than the MT/R but the MT/R's stronger carcass, SIGNIFICANTLY stronger sidewall, and more aggressive tread design is what the doctor ordered for our sharp rocks. We were destroying multiple BFG MTs on each trip through Johnson Valley but since the switch to MT/Rs, tire damage is now very rare. As a former BFG MT user (55K miles out of my last set) and current MT/R (on my second set, first set got 40K plus miles) user, it's like comparing a street tire to a really beefy trail tire in terms of strength and cut-resistance. If you wheel in mud or only care about exceptional wear and a quiet ride, stick with the BFG MT but if you're doing really hard-core trails that slice tires up, the MT/R is very tough to beat. The only BFG product that is the MT/R's equal is the Krawler. The BFG MT isn't even in the same category.

Kind of like this stuff on Sledgehammer in Johnson Valley...

That is why I said people I know, and my opinion. Obviously you know different people, and have a different opinion. AND since he's from Maryland, my east coast advice does indeed apply. Not to mention the fact that he said he liked the mud.
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My only complaint on the Trxs MTs is the amount of wheel weights needed to balance the tires. the sidewall thickness, and traction has been great so far. and my tire wear is almost non for the year ive had them.




come on Jerry "where you wheel" we both live in so cal. The only place i dont go is the hammers because that would be very dumb on my part with the lack of mods my jeep has for that kind of wheeling. do you only wheel at the hammers?
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If the middle of the tires are wearing down, IMO - I would suggest you check and adjust your tire pressure. It sounds like they may be over-inflated. Tires should wear evenly across the top. Like-wise, excessive wear on the outer edges is an indication of under-inflation. Excessive wear to one side (inner or outer) ususally indicates an alignment issue.
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they were are at 30, just cranked em to to 35 the other day to save $
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do yourself a favor and don't buy 2 new ones. Just wear them out until they're done, then go get some BFG MT's. Much better tire IMO. Everyone I know that runs the MTR's hates them. They are loud, don't wear well, and don't last long.
I'll have to agree with Jerry on this the BFG makes a good tire and I like it but it's not as good on rocks as the M/TR since it has a softer compound and aired down it hugs rocks better. They wear fine they're just high maintenance. My next set will be M/TR's or MudGrapplers
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come on Jerry "where you wheel" we both live in so cal. The only place i dont go is the hammers because that would be very dumb on my part with the lack of mods my jeep has for that kind of wheeling. do you only wheel at the hammers?
Hardly, but sharp rocks are everywhere out in the SOCAL deserts so if you do any rock crawling at all, you need a tire that can hold up to the area's sharp rocks. That's why the popularity of BFG's MT has dropped off out here in the deserts, they don't hold up as well as newer tires that have come out after they did. Heck, that's why BFG introduced their superb (but uber expensive) Krawler, to get BFG back into the game after they started losing the rock crawlers to the MT/R.
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How much better in mud and mileage is the m/t over the mt/r? I do hill climbs too, normal trail stuff, and hope to get out to rauch creek this summer, but by no means am I a rock krawler. like I said, I love the mt/rs, just wish theyd last 10-20k more and not need to be rotated every 2k, 6-7 would be nice
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I have no experience with the MTR's but the BFG MT doesn't seem to bad to me. On my Toyota I have 35 inch BFG's MT and in 4 years (yes, same set of tires, maybe 8000 miles on them) I have only had one problem with them. In Parker I sliced a sidewall. Other than that, doing Parker numerous times, Moab, Several of the Hammer trails, the Rubicon several times I have not been disappointed in them.

One note I have noticed with them, though I don't know if it's the tire or the rim is that I pop beads often. When I'm aired down to 10 PSI usually once or twice a run I pinch one of the sidewalls and lose air at the bead. Staying at 12 PSI I haven't had the same problem. Rims are some aluminium jobs.

Those are the issues I have had first hand with BFG MT's. Personnally, I like them (put them on after running swampers) but am open to try something new if these MTR's are worthwhile.
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I love the mt/rs, just wish theyd last 10-20k more and not need to be rotated every 2k, 6-7 would be nice
For wear, the BFG MT can't be beat. But who said you need to rotate MT/Rs every 2K miles? While the interval I rotate my MT/Rs is probably excessively long, both sets of my MT/Rs have worn perfectly evenly with a 5,000 mile rotation/balance interval. I'm getting well over 40k miles on a set and I've yet to have any, not even a minor, unusual wear problem.
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One note I have noticed with them, though I don't know if it's the tire or the rim is that I pop beads often. When I'm aired down to 10 PSI usually once or twice a run I pinch one of the sidewalls and lose air at the bead. Staying at 12 PSI I haven't had the same problem. Rims are some aluminium jobs.
What width wheel are you running?
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What width wheel are you running?
Jerry, I'll have to get back with you on that. Gotta check my paperwork at home. Got the rims and tires together, So I assume they would be matched. But then again......

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IC jerry. I think the prev owner just did oil lube and filter for 23k

You think id be better off with the mt/rs or the bfgs?

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