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Old 08-25-2012, 12:19 AM   #31
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I've been sitting on my kit for a while and just put it in a few days ago. Tonight was the first night I had a chance to try them out. Got a couple issues though.

How long should they be off before turning back on? I know it can be a few min at least, but I pulled off and filled up with gas, went to turn on and only one light would come up. Waited a few more min and still only same light coming on. Drove home, turned them off, and the one that wouldn't come on came on. Other light was off but expected since it had been just on.

Also noticed a flicker while driving. At first I thought it was just ride and I am getting used to brighter light, but when I got home I noticed on wall while not moving (the light that I drove home with) that it would "jump". Did not chance with rpm either.

Possible cheap/defective ballasts? Or do I need to troubleshoot deeper? Wired following the OP example so it's near identical, but it is a different (not DDM) kit.
sounds to me like something is wrong with the wiring. I have this same kit for my bike and my Ford Edge and both come with a "plug and play" connecter that plugs into your stock head light wiring. Sounds to me like yours is loose....I can't seem to think of anything else when it comes to the flickering...as for the "on in the off position", could be gremlins.....

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I've been sitting on my kit for a while and just put it in a few days ago. Tonight was the first night I had a chance to try them out. Got a couple issues though.

How long should they be off before turning back on? I know it can be a few min at least, but I pulled off and filled up with gas, went to turn on and only one light would come up. Waited a few more min and still only same light coming on. Drove home, turned them off, and the one that wouldn't come on came on. Other light was off but expected since it had been just on.

Also noticed a flicker while driving. At first I thought it was just ride and I am getting used to brighter light, but when I got home I noticed on wall while not moving (the light that I drove home with) that it would "jump". Did not chance with rpm either.

Possible cheap/defective ballasts? Or do I need to troubleshoot deeper? Wired following the OP example so it's near identical, but it is a different (not DDM) kit.
I don't know 100%, but I'd verify that you have a good ground. Take a multimeter and see what the resistance is between where you're grounded to and the negative terminal on the battery. The closer you are to "zero" ohms of resistance the better, if it's higher than .5 ohms of resistance then you don't have a good ground.

I don't know what brand lights you're running, but I can turn mine off, then turn the right back on with no problems.

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They should come right back on. I know I've seen posts about a few people having issues where one does not turn on but sorry I can't help with what is the issue is. This thread is huge but I there are posts about one light in here. H.I.D.s on my TJ = WOW! - JeepForum.com
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is there a reason why you bought the 55w raptors vs the 35 watt or 55 watt slims???
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Thanks. I'll check grounds tomorrow. I screwed to the fenders and scraped paint so it was metal to metal, but I may need to reground at a better point. I'll try that first, then look to the ballasts. If you both have had no issues with the DDM, I may go with them then.

Tonight they both came on but I didn't have to turn them off again until I got home. As for the flicker, it seems like both lights do it but one does it slightly more than the other.
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:08 AM   #36
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is there a reason why you bought the 55w raptors vs the 35 watt or 55 watt slims???
The raptors had the best reputation from what I had seen in other forums. I went with the 55w because why go HID and not get the brightest ones? I highly agree with the folks that say make sure you adjust them correctly, they're much to bright to not be done right.

My Virginia inspection sticker runs out this month, so I'll have my Jeep up on the rack in a week or so getting everything checked out. One of the things they check is the headlight adjustment. They have a rack with a couple of boxes filled with sensors that make sure the lights are adjusted right. If they aren't adjusted correctly my Jeep will get a rejection sticker. I'll post the results next month when I get it checked out.
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The raptors had the best reputation from what I had seen in other forums. I went with the 55w because why go HID and not get the brightest ones? .
Exactly same here
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:58 PM   #38
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They should come right back on. I know I've seen posts about a few people having issues where one does not turn on but sorry I can't help with what is the issue is. This thread is huge but I there are posts about one light in here. H.I.D.s on my TJ = WOW! - JeepForum.com
Thanks for the link. I finally got through it all. I've seen it before but like most I just read the first page or two, and skipped to a lot later. From what I found, looks like ballast issues and possible fitment of the lights in the frames. There was a note on DDM's site about flicker but it said it was 2007+ models so it may not be the same thing.

Do ballasts matter from one kit to the next? I am thinking 55w Raptors now since they are recommended, but really don't see the need to ante up for another whole kit if I don't need it.
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any updates on your HID's?.. i was thinking of removing the shrouds inside my hella ecodes as the HID bulbs are already shrouded. iv also ad a little moisture get in side the housing so iv gotta take apart and clean anyway, other than that i love my kit and glad i read this review. thanks again
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any updates on your HID's?.. i was thinking of removing the shrouds inside my hella ecodes as the HID bulbs are already shrouded. iv also ad a little moisture get in side the housing so iv gotta take apart and clean anyway, other than that i love my kit and glad i read this review. thanks again
What do you mean when you say shroud on the e-codes? Mine didn't come with any shroud that I remember. I've had some water get inside my housings as well since I'm not running the rubber boot that goes on the back of the lens assebly. I'm glad you liked my review Thanks!
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by shroud i mean the reflector shield inside the hella housing
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by shroud i mean the reflector shield inside the hella housing
Mine didn't come with what you're describing. Can you post a pic?
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For what it's worth, my HID auxilliary lights had a failure to reliably start on one bulb. I made it work for a while by turning it off/on a time or two until the bulb started. It got steadily worse and I cured it with a new HID BULB.

I gotta say, I still have misgivings about HID's in Halogen reflectors versus the projector housings. Could you please publish the light pattern on a wall when you do the following aim procedure?

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/images/Aim.pdf

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I will try and post pics of both hella light deflector and light pattern on a wall as soon as I get my new bulbs in
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here is the pic of the hella reflector.. i removed both of them as my kensun bulbs already have reflectors and i needed to clean the haze on the lens. ill upload a wall pattern pic when i adjust them, prob tonight.
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here is the pic of the hella reflector.. i removed both of them as my kensun bulbs already have reflectors and i needed to clean the haze on the lens. ill upload a wall pattern pic when i adjust them, prob tonight.
Mine didn't have that.
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jeep was parked about 25feet away from the wall.
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Mine didn't have that.
strange, based on what im seeing from pics on your review you do have them.. i cant say removing them made a huge difference in light projection but i can clean them if they get hazy now.
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Looks good.

But can someone explain to me how quadratec thinks they can get away with almost $15 for shipping and on PIAA 520 ATP they are charging me $38???!! The total with the combined is $48 just to ship to ohio.
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thanks for writeup!
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I currently have the hella vision plus with the HB2 bulbs. Would it be possible to upgrade to the setup you are running and use my existing housings? I know I would need to do the wiring upgrade but wasn't sure what the difference was between the two housings besides one not being DOT approved.
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I currently have the hella vision plus with the HB2 bulbs. Would it be possible to upgrade to the setup you are running and use my existing housings? I know I would need to do the wiring upgrade but wasn't sure what the difference was between the two housings besides one not being DOT approved.
The DDM tuning HID's replace normal halogen headlights, so as long as you buy the kit that matches what your housing takes then it should work.
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I currently have the hella vision plus with the HB2 bulbs. Would it be possible to upgrade to the setup you are running and use my existing housings? I know I would need to do the wiring upgrade but wasn't sure what the difference was between the two housings besides one not being DOT approved.
The light pattern is between DOT and E-code is different. (FYI ....Google it)
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The light pattern is between DOT and E-code is different. (FYI ....Google it)
I did google it and couldnt find an answer without reading through a ton of posts and page after page of info. Thats the point of this forum is to help each other answer questions that we have answers for, not to tell everyone to google it like you always seem to do. I dont always have time to spend researching a simple question.
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Well I'm used to doing resarch. (Engineer here) Sometimes better technical answers can be found on websites more quickly than waiting for answer in a thread (and sorry to say, sometimes incorrect answers or shooting from the hip)

ece headlight - Google Search first hit on Wikipedia has the information

Regulations and requirementsModern headlamps are electrically operated, positioned in pairs, one or two on each side of the front of a vehicle. A headlamp system is required to produce a low and a high beam, which may be achieved either by an individual lamp for each function or by a single multifunction lamp. High beams (called "main beams" or "full beams" or "driving beams" in some countries) cast most of their light straight ahead, maximizing seeing distance, but producing too much glare for safe use when other vehicles are present on the road. Because there is no special control of upward light, high beams also cause backdazzle from fog, rain and snow due to the retroreflection of the water droplets. Low beams (called "dipped beams" or "passing beams" in some countries) have stricter control of upward light, and direct most of their light downward and either rightward (in right-traffic countries) or leftward (in left-traffic countries), to provide safe forward visibility without excessive glare or backdazzle.


ECE dipped/low beam
Asymmetrical low beam illumination of road surface – right-traffic beam shown

[edit] Low beamLow beam (dipped beam, passing beam, meeting beam) headlamps provide a distribution of light designed to provide adequate forward and lateral illumination with limits on light directed towards the eyes of other road users, to control glare. This beam is intended for use whenever other vehicles are present ahead. The international ECE Regulations for filament headlamps[5] and for high-intensity discharge headlamps[6] specify a beam with a sharp, asymmetric cutoff preventing significant amounts of light from being cast into the eyes of drivers of preceding or oncoming cars. Control of glare is less strict in the North American SAE beam standard contained in FMVSS / CMVSS 108.[7]

[edit] High beam
ECE high/main beam
Symmetrical high beam illumination of road surface

High beam (main beam, driving beam, full beam) headlamps provide a bright, centre-weighted distribution of light with no particular control of light directed towards other road users' eyes. As such, they are only suitable for use when alone on the road, as the glare they produce will dazzle other drivers. International ECE Regulations permit higher-intensity high-beam headlamps than are allowed under North American regulations.[8]

[edit] Compatibility with traffic directionalityMost low-beam headlamps are specifically designed for use on only one side of the road. Headlamps for use in left-traffic countries have low-beam headlamps that "dip to the left"; the light is distributed with a downward/leftward bias to show the driver the road and signs ahead without blinding oncoming traffic. Headlamps for right-traffic countries have low beams that "dip to the right", with most of their light directed downward/rightward. Within Europe, when driving a vehicle with right-traffic headlamps in a left-traffic country or vice versa for a limited time (as for example on vacation or in transit), it is a legal requirement to adjust the headlamps temporarily so that their wrong-side beam distribution does not dazzle oncoming drivers. This may be achieved by methods including adhering opaque decals or prismatic lenses to a designated part of the lens. Some projector-type headlamps can be made to produce a proper left- or right-traffic beam by shifting a lever or other movable element in or on the lamp assembly.[9] Many tungsten (pre-halogen) European-code headlamps made in France by Cibié, Marchal, and Ducellier could be adjusted to produce either a left- or a right-traffic low beam by means of a two-position bulb holder.


Headlamp sold in Sweden not long before Dagen H changeover from left to right hand traffic. Opaque decal blocks the lens portion for low beam upkick to the right, and bears warning "Not to be removed before 3 September 1967".Because wrong-side-of-road headlamps blind oncoming drivers and do not adequately light the driver's way, and blackout strips and adhesive prismatic lenses reduce the safety performance of the headlamps, some countries require all vehicles registered or used on a permanent or semipermanent basis within the country to be equipped with headlamps designed for the correct traffic-handedness.[according to whom?] North American vehicle owners sometimes privately import and install Japanese-market (JDM) headlamps on their car
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Just got my hella Ecodes lights from Quadratec today in the mail. They did not come with bulbs but I will use DDM's bulbs. I noticed that they did not come with the infamous "sticker" that would deem them somewhat illegal so I am happy about that.
I will post pictures after completing the installation when the DDM kit arrives.

Thank you all, I truly appreciate the good information.

Hopefully Bambi's and her fawns will be safer around me at night.
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If they are Hella e-codes then they are not DOT approved and they are for offroad use only here in the States. But A LOT of people run them here...as for a "sticker" saying for offroad use only, if they do not have DOT in the glass they are not legal. But I run them and have never had a problem passing inspection

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