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Old 10-09-2007, 07:12 PM   #1
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Angry Defeated with lift chaos...

Okay, got the 3" lift on, it's great, love the ride and everything about the lift! Had to do a tcase drop to rid the vibes. Still very slight but only I would notice them. However, among many other "issues" I've had to address since, (tcase linkage, trans shifter mods, vibes...) I've been noticing some pretty substantial heat from the console/floor area. Noticed on my way home today some big-time heat coming up from the shifter/console area. Basically all the way from the firewall to the ebrake. I'm talkin I could feel it on my arm when changing the radio station. Tried it with a/c on then with windows down, still bad either way. Felt of my tranny shifter and it was HOT to the touch. Didn't burn but not too far away. Stuck my fingers in the slot for my tcase shifter and same thing. Got home and felt off my tranny housing and it was hot as hell. But, is it just one of those things I never noticed b/c I was never poking around on it after a long drive home? Or is it b/c 4WP cut the lower boot to free the shifter? Is it normal? Is it a sign of something serious? What the hell?

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1) Had 4WP do the alignment and see if they could "adjust" the shifter any
on Saturday. Well they did, and I see they CUT the bottom boot (that
separates tranny opening at tub). Assume this may allow a LOT of heat
in that was previously blocked...dunno, maybe not.
2) The tranny is brand new from Mopar less than a month old.
3) 1" BL had on for about a month prior to 3" lift.
4) Removed a 2" BB and added the 3" lift (1" gain overall).
5) Noticed some heat in floorboard area when a/c was on after BL (hence the
a/c thread from a couple of days ago: http://www.wranglerforum.com/tj-chat...-ac-12098.html) BEFORE the suspension lift.

Is the significant heat normal and I'm only noticing it b/c the lower boot is not cut open?

Is the heat new due to something being askew with the driveline? (ie too much stess/strain from DS angles, etc???) .

Sorry for the long post but wanted to answer lots of questions up front.

ANY feedback, help, thoughts, insight, experiences, dunno's, will greatly help. Thanks.

I'm just about whipped. I'm off to fab-up a tcase linkage bracket now. Wish me luck.

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Old 10-09-2007, 07:26 PM   #2
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the heat cometh from the boot... repair the boot and looseth the heat

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Old 10-09-2007, 07:30 PM   #3
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That would be my guess, the shifter boot. But even if I stick my fingers down the t-case linkage I don't feel any heat.
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That would be my guess, the shifter boot. But even if I stick my fingers down the t-case linkage I don't feel any heat.
Kinda what I was thinking/hoping. Is anybody's tranny housing hot as hell after a pretty decent trip on the hwy or extended trip through town? Obviously heat is expected. But burn your finger heat? Like damn near engine hot?

I suppose the heat allowed in through the lower boot could show itself around the tcase shifter as well. ??? I dunno but just about had all I can take. I'm REALLY hoping it's just a normal heat (albeit hotter than hell) that has just shown itself due to the lower boot being cut open.
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Mine, being an auto, does get hot, under the dash near the center, but not hot enough to burn myself on.
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if u cant hold ur finger there for more than the count of three then its too hot
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Is it possible the T-case is not in 2WD?
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I have heard lots of stories about mopar only using a tiny bit of fluid to keep things oiled during transpo, and the techs forgetting to drain and fill the trans when installing. This wouldn't be the first time I have heard of a new trans going out because of installation error with fluid by DC. Low trans fluid (real low)=LOTS of friction=Lots of heat. Just something to check. My trans has had issues from day one, but it has never been THAT hot.
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if u cant hold ur finger there for more than the count of three then its too hot
Where are you referring? If you're talking about the actual trans housing, then no, you can't touch it for .5 secs with a near burn. I'm not talking about nasty blister burn, but I'm talking about jerk your finger back burn. If you're talking about the stick, then I'd say it's about 10 secs and it starts to get uncomfortable.

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Mine, being an auto, does get hot, under the dash near the center, but not hot enough to burn myself on.
Mine too. From what I hear this may not be too uncommon.

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Is it possible the T-case is not in 2WD?
I thought of that, but my 4WD is working properly and the 4H/4L lights come on when they should and I've not been running with any of the indicator lights on.

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I have heard lots of stories about mopar only using a tiny bit of fluid to keep things oiled during transpo, and the techs forgetting to drain and fill the trans when installing. This wouldn't be the first time I have heard of a new trans going out because of installation error with fluid by DC. Low trans fluid (real low)=LOTS of friction=Lots of heat. Just something to check. My trans has had issues from day one, but it has never been THAT hot.
That's something I'll be addressing tomorrow. Going to dealer for a good inspection of everything.
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I just finished fabbing up my new tcase linkage bracket. Pretty dang proud of myself considering I've never worked with metal and never fabbed anything in my life. Go me! Necessity is the mother of invention. Just installed and works like a charm. Shifter and all linkage has returned to factory locations.
(I'm patting myself on the back right now).
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This is the new bracket I just made to adjust the tcase linkage due to the 1" BL and 1" Tcase drop.

This is the drop bracket that came with the BL. Worked fine but not after the Tcase drop.
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Nice looking bracket Nick, congrats. It is amazing what one can do when there is a need.

Wow, now we have the excact same jeep. I will race you to get the SYE and DS installed..and maybe a locker.

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Where are you referring? If you're talking about the actual trans housing, then no, you can't touch it for .5 secs with a near burn. I'm not talking about nasty blister burn, but I'm talking about jerk your finger back burn. If you're talking about the stick, then I'd say it's about 10 secs and it starts to get uncomfortable.



Mine too. From what I hear this may not be too uncommon.



I thought of that, but my 4WD is working properly and the 4H/4L lights come on when they should and I've not been running with any of the indicator lights on.



That's something I'll be addressing tomorrow. Going to dealer for a good inspection of everything.
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I just finished fabbing up my new tcase linkage bracket. Pretty dang proud of myself considering I've never worked with metal and never fabbed anything in my life. Go me! Necessity is the mother of invention. Just installed and works like a charm. Shifter and all linkage has returned to factory locations.
(I'm patting myself on the back right now).
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This is the new bracket I just made to adjust the tcase linkage due to the 1" BL and 1" Tcase drop.

This is the drop bracket that came with the BL. Worked fine but not after the Tcase drop.
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Nice looking bracket Nick, congrats. It is amazing what one can do when there is a need.

Wow, now we have the excact same jeep. I will race you to get the SYE and DS installed..and maybe a locker.
Thanks. By lunch just before I emailed you I was bound and determined to remedy this mess and was sick and tired of these offroad shops not knowing what the hell they are talking about or just trying to sell me something that wouldn't even resolve my problem. It's pretty sad when I now know more about TJ's and mods than these offroad shops. The sad part is I don't know that much!

Yeah, I'm really wanting that SYE/DS in a bad way. Think I may need to address front LCA's first. Then rear adjustables and a new rear tractbar so I can THEN, get the SYE. All that junk is gonna put my new rear bumper/tire carrier on hold for next year I'm thinkin. And the really $#!tty part is I'm about to have to buy new tires in a few days. That tire money would go a LONG way on that SYE setup.

NOW, to solve this damn burnin hot tranny situation! (or at least learn that it's normal and I've just noticed it for the first time b/c of the lower boot BS thanks to 4WP).

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Finding a good 4x4 shop can be a pain. That is why so maney people use sites like these to find one or learn how to do it thereselves. I personally don't take mine to a shop onless I need engine work done since I lack those type of tools. As for your transmission I would check your fluid level in it and your transfer case also. I know in my cj-7 when the floor got that hot 3 weeks later the whole tranmission went. Third went first, then second, and I barely made it close enough to home when first went. Luckily for me I had a backup from my rusted out cj-5.
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do you HAVE to buy tires? (bald?)
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do you HAVE to buy tires? (bald?)
Prob wouldnt pass inspection at this point and have a few lugs starting to crack at the base.
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Auto trannies usually run between 185-220 if I remember rightly. So yeah the case would be hot to the touch. So are your diffs after a prolonged use. I notice the heat coming up in my floor pan also, but my exhaust is tucked way up to my body because of my long arm setup.

The best mod that you can do for out auto's is to install a deeper tranny pan. Mopar sells one that is cheap, has a drain plug in it, and allows for two more quarts of fluid. More fluid, less heat. Don't know the deal on getting a hold of the pan, but if you give Joe a call at Absolute he can get them for you.

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