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Old 11-10-2012, 10:58 PM
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Defrost not blowing

Ok I know i have some heater issues to begin with as the heat only gets warm not too hot but where is the ducting for the defroster? When I turn the fan speed over low it sounds like something is getting blown in front of the defrost vent and the air just stops flowing. This doesnt happen with the face vents or foot vents just defrost.

Any ideas?
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:37 PM
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ok so i got the heat to blow hot today there was a cable bound up undert he dash for the temp contol. However it will still not blow out the windshield vent it blows out the side vents for the defrost but not the mostt important one.


suggestions welcome im at wits end after digging through the jeep today

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I have this same problemon my 97 TJ and I can't seem to fix it. I'll be following the thread to see if anyone figures this out
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Just bought my 99 TJ a week ago and this is my first post. Same problem as stated and hoping there is an answer. Worst part is this started the same day i did a Heater Core flush to get my heat back to working.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:25 PM   #5
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I think we all have the same problem. I think I have a fix for us. They are known for having cheap vent doors. Check out
Heatertreatet.com I believe is the site.
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Heater Treater is for Jeeps with the electronic control and failure of the door circut to be able to distinguish cold from hot setting causing luke warm air.

My problem and these other gents it seems that have the cable slider is that the heat blows hot but wont blow out of the windshield vent only the side vents when set to defrost.

When i slide the selector over to defrost and the fan is on low it sounds like it is coming out the vent then if you turn the fan up it seems like something is blocking that vent from letting air pass like the central defrost door is stuck shut. Trying to see if anyone has a fix for it before i spend the 4-5 hours removing the dash to access the heater box.
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Bump hopefully someone with knowledge of this problem can chime in. I am sure this isnt the first time this problem has popped up.
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same issue. not sure yet but from what i have been told (family was previous owner) the door that routes the air to defrost is broken off its arm.
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Had problems with my 03 TJ when I bought it used from a dealer. It was reluctant to change from floor to dash to defrost. Technician notes say a vacuum hose had come loose that had be reattached. That vacuum line changes tha airflow to dash, floor, defrost. Maybe if you pull the glove box off and pop the defrost vent trim off you can locate the culprit.
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Had problems with my 03 TJ when I bought it used from a dealer. It was reluctant to change from floor to dash to defrost. Technician notes say a vacuum hose had come loose that had be reattached. That vacuum line changes tha airflow to dash, floor, defrost. Maybe if you pull the glove box off and pop the defrost vent trim off you can locate the culprit.

From what I've read the 97-98's did not use vacuum, they were cable driven for the vent positions..
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havnt looked yet. anyone know where to get access on a 97
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access to what? I think my issues are cable drivin.......... pun intended
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I see I am not the only one with this problem. I have a 97 i bought a couple months ago and its getting cold and i need to get this fixed.I plan on taking the dash apart this weekend to see what I find.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:23 AM
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Let me know been too busy to get a chance to rip mine open. Only good thing is that the interior is going to get a paint job when i tear it out lol
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Just bought my 99 TJ a week ago and this is my first post.
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im tuned in. really dont want to pull my dash for nothing. if i ever get some time guess ill tear into it
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I was looking under my dash and saw something disconnected, like a little metal lever type thing going into a black box which moves when you change the vents. I'll show pics once I get out of school.
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Well I found the problem,fixing it is another story. The vent dampers are controlled by 3 dif actuators with cheap plastic pieces controlling damper movement. The one arm that controls air to the defrost is broke off the dmper and I can't even manually open it. The actuator still works but it's a piss poor design with the plastic arm that broke. To replace it the whole dash needs to be removed. to see the actuators and arms just have to remove the panel under the steering wheel which is only a couple of screws then look to the right to see if you guys are having the same problem
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think you could post a couple pics please?
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i woke up this morning with an idea. the dash doesnt need to be removed to fix my problem. the plastic arm broke leaving the male "gear" stuck inside the damper. i threaded a screw a few turns inside the part that broke and was able to pull it out. the arm is hollow so i screwed a small screw inside it and was able to put the whole thing back together. it seems pretty solid and it is working again. there is a lot of stress on it and it mat not last so i will look online for a replacement. i didnt take pics of the process because i wasnt sure if it would work. i didnt want to take it all apart to take pics. sorry. i have pics of the location of my problem and the broken arm. i am pointing at area will a small yellow screw driver. once you guys look inside the dash my idea should make more sense.
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The problem they are describing is not a blend door issue (the blend door adjusts the level of heat/cold, that's it!).

I've removed my heater dash/heater core twice in the last month, so I'm pretty fresh up on what does what.

Here is the color coding of vacuum lines going to the three different "vacuum door actuators" in my 1997 TJ SE, No A/C:
Blue & Yellow: Controls the door to the Defrost vents
Red: Controls the door to the cab/hand warmer vents
Brown: Controls the door to the Floor vent

My troubleshooting suggestions:

1) Check the vacuum line connector behind the glove box. Make sure the connector is secure and all the lines on both sides of the connectors are snug and there are no obvious cuts along the visible vacuum lines.

2) check the end of the vacuum lines where they terminate at the three separate vacuum door actuators (on the driver side end of the heater box).

3) If this all checks good, then pull each vacuum line separately at each location in #2 and check for vacuum when the respective doors are actuated, as I have identified by the color coding, above.

The above steps should troubleshoot 90% of the problems as described by TJ owners, above.

A couple of other notes regarding the heater and their levers, from hard earned experience with my 1997 TJ:

If you heater core is leaking, you don't need to take out the steering wheel/column as listed at STU OFFROAD for replacement; just support the removed dash suspended by a tie down from the large footmans loop above the rear view mirror (remove the mirror first)... it will save you 30-60 minutes of time, and prevent you from risking damaging your air-bag clock spring.

If you have a 97-11/99 TJ with the manual slider/cable for temperature control vs. the newer electronic knob and electronic actuator (either of which moves the AC Plenim Door via the Lower AC Panel Plenum Door Lever), than:

1) If you need to replace your lever (you snapped it off) DO NOT GET the Omix-Ada 17910.01 HVAC Door Lever; all online catalogs (Amazon, etc) says it will fit, but it will not... you will have to buy the more expensive Mopar Part # 4897626AA , which I have seen for $27-$35 each. I stopped buy a local Jeep Dealer's parts counter and they said that you couldn't just buy the lever anymore... you had to buy the blend door too... whatever... that part is currently available online out there at the time of this post.

2) Before you snap off you lever, lube the darn cable! (or if you are replacing the broken lever, do it too!). That slider/cable should move smoothly, without too much force... if it takes a lot of force to move that lever... STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING! and lube the cable first (motorcycle store for a cable lube tool and a can of cable lube). If that doesn't solve the issue, then you might need to replace or re-align your blend door... don't snap off your lever (like I did) trying to force a misaligned blend door to work properly... it just cost me and extra $35 for a new lever (and i still had to take apart the heater box to re-align the blend door... and now replace the lever!

You can also trouble shoot a stiff lever, before you even lube that cable, by removing the cable from the lever... the lever should move freely and easily back and forth... don't try and force it if it doesn't.

3) If you plan on replacing your blend door, DO NOT get Dorman 902-326 part.: it is for the 99+ TJ's using the electronic actuator, not the cable/lever of the 97/98.

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I know this is an old forum but the problem is the same. I have a 97 wrangler also with the broken leavers that attach to the metal arms of the actuators. Air will only blow at the floor and the side window defrost. I can hear the air blowing at the vents of the dash but air does not come out because the door for the dash does not open and the windshield defrost does not blow air out.

I purchased new leavers but part of the leavers are broken off inside and I have tried all suggestions to get them out. Tried connecting the pieces with the screw which was impossible, I am tempted to use super glue to reattach the broken pieces but if I get the glue in the wrong place I may cause further damage that can not be fixed.

I called the Jeep headquarters and filed a complaint in hopes to get the makers of Jeep to do a recall on this very common problem; it is a very big safety issue when you do not have any air, heat, or can't defrost you windshield. According to Jeep, I am the only one that has filed a complaint regarding this; also stated if they get enough people calling with complaints they could possible do a recall on certain models, years, or even certain vin numbers.

If you have had a similar type problem please, please, call 1-877-426-5337 open 24 hrs. a day and file a complaint. Have your vin. # ready they will ask for it and be sure to ask for a case number for your records. If we get them to do a recall you will receive something in the mail. We should not have to pay $500-$1000 labor to replace a $15 dollar part; or we should not have to lay on our backs practically standing on our heads for two days trying to fix these things, after all if were not for you and I they would not even be in business. Please make that call. Thanks
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Question Blend Door Arm Positions









So the blend door arms that go to the Blue and Red cylinders appear to be connected. I have floor and the outer dash vents working. Defrost and center console vents do not. Is there an arm that's missing for the Yellow cylinder? I can't see where that would connect. Is this my problem? Thanks!
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So the blend door arms that go to the Blue and Red cylinders appear to be connected. I have floor and the outer dash vents working. Defrost and center console vents do not. Is there an arm that's missing for the Yellow cylinder? I can't see where that would connect. Is this my problem? Thanks!
These are vacuum actuators that control the vents not blend door. In your case, the middle actuator is not connected due to a broken vent control arm piece, which should've been right next to that upper arm of the top actuator. Issues you are experiencing would probably be loss of control of the defrost vents.
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These are vacuum actuators that control the vents not blend door. In your case, the middle actuator is not connected due to a broken vent control arm piece, which should've been right next to that upper arm of the top actuator. Issues you are experiencing would probably be loss of control of the defrost vents.
Awesome! Thanks! I just went back under there and discovered only the brown one (the floor) is working properly. The cab/dash (red) and the defrost (Yellow/Blue) are both not connected. Any ideas for how to get part numbers for these or where to shop? Thanks again!
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Wink Parts Ordered!

Nevermind on that last one. Found them, part numbers 17910.01 and 17910.02. Summitracing.com has the descriptions of which part goes to which actuator. I need both so I ordered them elsewhere for a couple bucks cheaper in shipping but got both of them for $42 with shipping. Not terrible. I'll update when they get here and I get a chance to plug them in. Until then, thanks for all the help my friends!
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Talking Hurray!

Got it done today. I ended up deciding not to post pictures because it was the same as everyone else's. I had to drill a decking screw into on of them and then use pliers to pull out the piece that was stuck.

The only problem I ran into was that the two parts were reversed from the following VERY HELPFUL article:

Dashboard Removal

Not a big problem, I just recommend if you have more than one to do that you try them both before you assume you have a piece stuck in there.

Thanks everyone for all your help. I'll try to pass on the knowledge gained next time someone has this problem. Good luck!
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Glad it worked out and appreciate you updating the end result for others.

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