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Old 12-26-2012, 05:50 PM   #151
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has anyone used just the jk shocks ive got a 2" BB with skyjacker hydros and im looking for a little better ride quality

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Old 12-26-2012, 11:41 PM   #152
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has anyone used just the jk shocks ive got a 2" BB with skyjacker hydros and im looking for a little better ride quality
I use the JKU Sahara gas shocks with my 2" BDS coils upfront.

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Old 12-28-2012, 04:37 PM   #153
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how is the ride with those JKU shocks did you notice an improvement ?
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how is the ride with those JKU shocks did you notice an improvement ?
Definately better than stock.
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Definately better than stock.
awesome i found someone selling an 08 suspension from a rubicon for 75 bucks i think im going to pick it up when i get paid.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:58 PM   #156
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awesome i found someone selling an 08 suspension from a rubicon for 75 bucks i think im going to pick it up when i get paid.
Please post the results and if the shocks are from a shorty or an Unlimited. Mine are perfectly suited to my 2" lift.
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ok so it seems there is a method to the madness regarding spring rates on the jk's and it doesnt matter weather it is a Rubicon or not it mostly depends on the tow package the vehicle came with along with transmission and top differences. i got curious when i checked the part numbers on the Rubicon springs i was going to buy and found that the to front springs are different sizes after doing some research i found that it is due to the gas tank being on the passenger side making the passenger side spring longer to compensate for the weight on that side. here is a link to the thread i found with some very usefull information regarding jk spring differences Lets Solve the Stock Springs Question

so heres a question to those of you who have done a direct swap from a jk to a tj is there any noticeable height difference in the front end with the different spring rates up there ?
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Oh man. You guys have been busy.

Listen, I'm not a professional mechanic, I'm an actor, but I seem to be one of the few around who have actually tried this, so I'm going to try to answer as many of the questions that have piled up since before I dropped out for the holidays. As always, let me say that there are probably people here who make a living as mechanics who would have a lot more to add than I can. That said, I've been a motorhead since the mid seventies, so at very worst I have hundreds and hundreds of busted knuckle's worth of education, but please take responsibility for your own safety and results and think things through whenever you're working on something that weighs 3,800 pounds and you ride in it at 70mph. Around curves.

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Just found these on CL and am making plans on picking them up on Thursday! The only problem is I don't have a way to heat the rear coils to make them fit. Any suggestions??

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JW, if you wade back through my posts in this thread, you'll see that I chose not to heat the springs, because I think it's unnecessary. You need bump-stop extensions anyway, and from what I've experienced and the dimensions I see on the Net, most of them fit inside without modification of the springs. That's what I've done using grade 8 bolts and readily available skateboard wheels. (if anyone can prove they're less durable than the average BSE in a BB kit, I'll give them a hundred bucks. I'd lay money they're in fact far tougher.) They're also available in almost infinite size variations.

Again, there is absolutely no reason to heat the springs.

You can, and I don't think there's anything significantly undesirable about doing it, but it's unnecessary, and time is my most precious commodity.

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Will the control arms bolt right up or use tj ones or aftermsrket ones?
I made no changes to my stock CAs and experienced no negative effects. But of course, you'll need to have your front end aligned.

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has anyone used just the jk shocks ive got a 2" BB with skyjacker hydros and im looking for a little better ride quality
I didn't only install the shocks, I did keep the stocks ones on for a while and it was astonishing, the ride improvement. (keep in mind there would have to be, considering the lift and short shocks.) but, and this is just anecdotal, I've heard often that Skyjacker hydros are pretty still pretty harsh, even though they're an improvement over Nitros.

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so heres a question to those of you who have done a direct swap from a jk to a tj is there any noticeable height difference in the front end with the different spring rates up there ?
Yes, definitely. Not as much as the rear, and I can't reliably put a number on it because I didn't go from stock TJ to JKs, I went in order from stock to 3" BB to JK springs only to JK springs and shocks, but there definitely was a net increase over the lower stock front height.

I took the kids up to Big Bear last week, so I'm going to throw some pics up. Just random beauty-shots, but it'll give you and idea of what a very average jeep looks like with this done. I do plan to add 3/4" spacers in the fronts, maybe, if it bugs me enough at some point, but frankly I don't mind the mild rake.

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"has anyone used just the jk shocks ive got a 2" BB with skyjacker hydros and im looking for a little better ride quality"

I didn't only install the shocks, I did keep the stocks ones on for a while and it was astonishing, the ride improvement. (keep in mind there would have to be, considering the lift and short shocks.) but, and this is just anecdotal, I've heard often that Skyjacker hydros are pretty still pretty harsh, even though they're an improvement over Nitros.

My reply to that was unclear. I meant that while I never solely installed the JK shocks with the stock TJ springs, (meaning I had shorter stock TJ shocks with taller JK springs) the ride improvement wasn't simply a little better, it was a very, very significant improvement. In the absence of some objective measurement standard (Like Mohs hardness or the SI system for jeep rides, lol.), it went from golf-cart rough to just this side of F150 smooth. And I have a pretty light jeep. From what I understand, Skyjacker Hydros aren't exactly the pinnacle of jeep ride, so my (wild, unqualified, best-effort) guess would be there would be at least some improvement.

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I found a set of 18/59 and I would like to put them in my wrangler x but I have the 4.0 and the ac and I am putting on a custom stainless steel bumper with thoughts of doing a winch someday. So yes has anyone done this with the 4.0, it is the front that worries me. I have 32's and need a good 2"-3" of lift
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well my concern now is a found a set stock springs and gas shocks but the front springs are off set 15ab on the left and 16ab on the right this is the stock set up for all jk's to compensate for the gas tank on the passenger side im worried if i put the 15ab 16ab front spring combo on my tj that it will be to noticeably uneven in the front
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The last 2 digits give the stiffness, after those numbers are 2 letters, I'm not sure what they are for.
When Chrysler creates a new part, they assign it an 8-digit part number. Appended to that number are the two letters AA. Chrysler uses this part number so your friendly dealer personnel can look it up for you, but they also use this part number so they can track the item, order the item in bulk from the supplier, etc. In other words, the part number may just signify "JK 4dr Rubicon coil spring, rear" to us but to Chrysler it also signifies "made by supplier X, initially created on date so-and-so, with unit cost such-and-such, etc."

Anyway, every now and again a change occurs in Chrysler's system. For example, the part is now being produced by another supplier. When a change occurs for any reason but the part is functionally unchanged, the part number digits stay the same but two letters of the part number will change. AA will become AB; later, AB will become AC; etc.

To the end-user, the letters are insignificant. So long as the numbers are the same, the part will continue to perform as desired.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:38 PM   #163
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I have a 2001 sahara 4.0 manual, my first jeep only two weeks into ownership. It needs new shocks and coils. In looking in to replacing them cheaply and I stumbled on to this thread. I just picked up 18/59 springs and 4 shocks from a dealer, these were takeooffs from a 2012 rubicon unlimited.

From reading all of the posts, it appears the 59s and shocks will give a pretty significant lift to the rear of my TJ, but the 18's will not provide as much lift to the front especially a 4.0 with ac.

No ones mentioned it in this post yet but instead of using the 18 springs up front, what about using the ZJ V8 springs? Would these work with the 2012 rubicon shocks? i might have to try it out, or if it wont work, tell me why so I can save myself the hassle.

If they wont work, and i go ahead with the 18's what would you all recommend to level the front with the rear? Bump stop extensions? I am completely new to this , jeeps, lifting, the forum, everything, so try to spell it out as if your explaining it to your 5 year old. Haha thanks for the help.

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Rubicon shocks will work regardless of what springs you use. How much lift are you trying to get? Are you going to off road a lot? A cheap way to get some 32-33" tires under your daily driver that won't see a lot of off roading is the route I had to go. 2" coil spacers with your factory springs, $50 new. 1.25" body lift. $100 new and your rubicon shocks. It rides better than stock and looks great, I even put the 2013 rubicon wheels/tires on mine. I also added a motor mount lift to make things easier for my future lift. I hope next year I can lift mine without using a SYE kit. Time will tell.
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I found a set of 18/59 and I would like to put them in my wrangler x but I have the 4.0 and the ac and I am putting on a custom stainless steel bumper with thoughts of doing a winch someday. So yes has anyone done this with the 4.0, it is the front that worries me. I have 32's and need a good 2"-3" of lift
Waldo, I'm in the exact same situation as you execpt I have an 03 Rubicon. I just picked up the 18/59 springs along with the 32" tires that were on a 2012 Rubicon 4dr jk. I'm hoping to try it out in the next couple weeks and see what happens. I will definitely be posting when I find what works!
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Waldo, I'm in the exact same situation as you execpt I have an 03 Rubicon. I just picked up the 18/59 springs along with the 32" tires that were on a 2012 Rubicon 4dr jk. I'm hoping to try it out in the next couple weeks and see what happens. I will definitely be posting when I find what works!
Yes please do I am really interested to see what you find.
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Yes please do I am really interested to see what you find.
Waldo, i was hoping you would do it first...thanks, haha
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I'm glad I found this thread, and I'm very grateful to Jeepsr4me for doing the initial legwork from which we are all benefitting.

I've got a manual 05 TJ (Renegade) (Australian) with 75k miles on it, which I'm trying to make as capable as possible offroad without spending $1000s, so I'm trying to max it out as far as I can while keeping it 'standard' (as in SYE, control arms, brake lines, fuel filler etc etc)

So far I've got:

31 x 10.5 tyres
1-1/4" body lift (with transmission shift lever drop)
1" motor mount lift
ARB Front Bullbar
Heavy duty rear bumper and swing away tyre carrier.

Everything else is standard at present. (although I am planning to get a Novak Tranny shifter)

Since I've already gor the 1-1/4" BL and 1" MML I can't afford much without exceding the 'slack' in the standard setup.

The bumpers I've added at both ends add a lot of extra weight (for my already old shocks to carry), so I'd like to fit some heavier duty shocks / springs to handle the extra weight and improve the ride.

So based on all of this can someone reccomend which JK shocks and springs I should source please (or model of JK I should look for as a donor) ?
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I'm glad I found this thread, and I'm very grateful to Jeepsr4me for doing the initial legwork from which we are all benefitting.

I've got a manual 05 TJ (Renegade) (Australian) with 75k miles on it, which I'm trying to make as capable as possible offroad without spending $1000s, so I'm trying to max it out as far as I can while keeping it 'standard' (as in SYE, control arms, brake lines, fuel filler etc etc)

So far I've got:

31 x 10.5 tyres
1-1/4" body lift (with transmission shift lever drop)
1" motor mount lift
ARB Front Bullbar
Heavy duty rear bumper and swing away tyre carrier.

Everything else is standard at present. (although I am planning to get a Novak Tranny shifter)

Since I've already gor the 1-1/4" BL and 1" MML I can't afford much without exceding the 'slack' in the standard setup.

The bumpers I've added at both ends add a lot of extra weight (for my already old shocks to carry), so I'd like to fit some heavier duty shocks / springs to handle the extra weight and improve the ride.

So based on all of this can someone reccomend which JK shocks and springs I should source please (or model of JK I should look for as a donor) ?
Get some zj springs
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So I jacked up my Rubi and Pb plastered the shock bolts...waited like 20 minutes and then used my 13mm socket to try and pulled the bolts. One busted and the others seemed to have stripped...now what? This sucks...luckily it's not my dd...

Part of me just wants to go with an off the shelf bb, while the other part wants to shed some light on this mystery...
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What I was about to get at. How do the JK springs compare to the V8 ZJ ones up front? Half inch lower for ZJ? Maybe more considering the JK ones will tend to be newer
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I'll look into the ZJ springs.

After reading the first 5 pages of this thread, I thought that the JK suspension was the way to go... Obviously not that straight forward.
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Alright, so, I'm forgetting about the rear at the moment since my stinking shock bolts are basically welded on. I needed a confidence booster so I went to the front. I put on the 18 Rubicon springs (18" tall uncompressed) to replace my stock springs (17" uncompressed same diameter spring). I put new the matching shocks on as well.

So after one side was done i lowered it and that side with the new spring shrunk 1/2" from the starting position. Now, since the new spring was taller and I lowered the front end,it makes sense that the spring would start to support most of the weight of the vehicle right? I'm just a little confused here...

I don't really want to try and put the spring on the ofther side if its just going to lower the jeep. Any explanation would be helpful here! Tonight preferable as I want to change it tomorrow if that's the case!
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What size tire r u running?
31" bald terrains in those pics. I'm running some JKU Sahara shocks with my current set up (see sig) and the jeep rides great. 3" seems to be the sweet spot for JK shocks when it comes to uptravel/droop. With those shocks and my 2" BB, my uptravel seemed limited because of the shock length but now with my 3" savvy springs (actually netted a tad over 3") the shock length is near perfect.
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Alright, so, I'm forgetting about the rear at the moment since my stinking shock bolts are basically welded on. I needed a confidence booster so I went to the front. I put on the 18 Rubicon springs (18" tall uncompressed) to replace my stock springs (17" uncompressed same diameter spring). I put new the matching shocks on as well.

So after one side was done i lowered it and that side with the new spring shrunk 1/2" from the starting position. Now, since the new spring was taller and I lowered the front end,it makes sense that the spring would start to support most of the weight of the vehicle right? I'm just a little confused here...

I don't really want to try and put the spring on the ofther side if its just going to lower the jeep. Any explanation would be helpful here! Tonight preferable as I want to change it tomorrow if that's the case!
I would agree the longer spring is going to take on the weight first, but I would expect that it should not be lower than when you started, that doesn't make sense and I would think if you do the second the front will be lower than when you started. Keep us posted, I am hoping to hear something good.
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I would agree the longer spring is going to take on the weight first, but I would expect that it should not be lower than when you started, that doesn't make sense and I would think if you do the second the front will be lower than when you started. Keep us posted, I am hoping to hear something good.
Length of the spring has nothing to do with it. It's all about spring rate. Hence why a 18" spring with a soft rate will sit lower than a 16" spring with a higher rate. Case in point the pictures I posted when I did the swap. This is why you can look at all the different lift springs out there for any certain lift height and they will all vary in their unsprung length. Especially when you get into progressive rate and dual rate springs. The write up that metalcloak did on springs is very informative on all the different types of springs out there and I recommend it to anyone and everyone.

Edit: here's the link to that thread http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showth...t=71064&page=8

If you take the time to sift through the chatter there is some really good information on coil springs in there. Do yourselves a favor and read it.
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Length of the spring has nothing to do with it. It's all about spring rate. Hence why a 18" spring with a soft rate will sit lower than a 16" spring with a higher rate. Case in point the pictures I posted when I did the swap. This is why you can look at all the different lift springs out there for any certain lift height and they will all vary in their unsprung length. Especially when you get into progressive rate and dual rate springs. The write up that metalcloak did on springs is very informative on all the different types of springs out there and I recommend it to anyone and everyone.

Edit: here's the link to that thread MetalCloak Suspension Build - Page 8 - JKowners.com : Jeep Wrangler JK Forum

If you take the time to sift through the chatter there is some really good information on coil springs in there. Do yourselves a favor and read it.
Yeah I agree 100%, but if you read the statement above mine he had only changed one side and trying to figure out why it was lower than when he had started, and if he changed the other side was it going to drop more, which sounds to me like it will. So the answer to his question, will the 18" spring take weight before the 17"? The answer is yes, but to your point what the spring does with it is up to the spring rate.
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Yeah I agree 100%, but if you read the statement above mine he had only changed one side and trying to figure out why it was lower than when he had started, and if he changed the other side was it going to drop more, which sounds to me like it will. So the answer to his question, will the 18" spring take weight before the 17"? The answer is yes, but to your point what the spring does with it is up to the spring rate.
Ah ok gotcha.
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Yeah I agree 100%, but if you read the statement above mine he had only changed one side and trying to figure out why it was lower than when he had started, and if he changed the other side was it going to drop more, which sounds to me like it will. So the answer to his question, will the 18" spring take weight before the 17"? The answer is yes, but to your point what the spring does with it is up to the spring rate.
Yeah that's right waldo. So I ended up putting the other spring one and I think it dropped a little bit. I don't know exactly how much since the one rear spring is out of it, so I can't really compare apples to apples. As soon I get that the air chisel to the rear shocks and put that back together ill see what the total drop was....this really sucks thought considering they were a pain to get out and in.

Hopefully I'll be able to finish it up this by the end of the week.

The strange thing is that the old and new springs had the same wire diameter.

Now I'm worried since the new rears are 2.5" taller...I hope I can get a little lift out of them!

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