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Old 01-16-2013, 01:50 PM   #121
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Question kilrik. You said you had a mechanic check this out before you bought it. Maybe I missed it in reading the thread, but did you go knock on his door and say this is the problem, whats up?
Even if he did, the mechanic is not going to be liable...ya might get your inspection money back, that's about it.

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seems like a great time to learn how to wrench. You will loose the battle if you rely on mechanic shops to help/fix you jeep. do some reading and lots of research on the web, you will find most of what you need. Good luck with your new toy

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Even if he did, the mechanic is not going to be liable...ya might get your inspection money back, that's about it.
Really? If you hire an expert to give you an opinion, and the expert knows that you are relying on that opinion as the basis of the buying decision, and the opinion is clearly wrong, you are saying the "expert" is not liable.
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Really? If you hire an expert to give you an opinion, and the expert knows that you are relying on that opinion as the basis of the buying decision, and the opinion is clearly wrong, you are saying the "expert" is not liable.
The " expert" was a mechanic, not a frame and body tech!
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The " expert" was a mechanic, not a frame and body tech!
Oh, so you are saying the mechanic wouldnt be expected to identify the issues with the jeep.Lesson learned, I guess if you have a rebuit title, take it to a frame shop, not a mechanic
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Oh, so you are saying the mechanic wouldnt be expected to identify the issues with the jeep
Thats exzactly what im saying. You think a mechanic knows what a diamoned frame looks like, you think hes gonna give it a once over like a body tech, no.
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Thats exzactly what im saying. You think a mechanic knows what a diamoned frame looks like, you think hes gonna give it a once over like a body tech, no.
Probably not.
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I had a mechanic check it out before buying but they did all they could. They checked the alignment and everything was fine so nothing looked out to them. If a body shop would've checked it, they would have noticed the problems (never thought to have a body shop check it out).

I decided to get a second opinion and we talked to my local 4X4 shop. They said that they would give it a look over. They were saying that I should be fine driving it as it sits and then when money allows, buy a clean Jeep for cheap and do a frame/body swap then. They wanted to look at it first before saying that it would be safe to drive but it could just be that I need new body mounts and some things need to be tightened.

One thing I just now thought of is that the guy at the body shop said the Jeep felt loose. Could this be because of the TeraFlex sway bar? Its not the new one that has the adjustability between street and trail, its the trail only version. Could this cause the Jeep to feel loose?

If that is the case, should I pull the sway bar and get the new version TeraFlex had or would I be safe with my current one?
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Probably not.
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Could be the sway bar, but I wouldnt buy a teraflex sway bar on purpose. If you replace it get a antirock. The teraflex sway bar is just a fancy disconnect.
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Could be the sway bar, but I wouldnt buy a teraflex sway bar on purpose. If you replace it get a antirock. The teraflex sway bar is just a fancy disconnect.
Agree, or just a set of jks discos.
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Just got back from the local 4X4 Shop and went for a test drive with one of the guys. The guy was pretty impressed with it and said it drove really nice for a lifted Jeep. He said I would be fine with the TeraFlex sway bar that's on it, just don't disconnect it when I was DD it (which puzzled me because I thought it worked like the anti-rock which keeps you from having to do that). He drove it around some corners, took it on the highway and he said its a nice Jeep. Told me that when funds allow it, find a cheap Jeep with a clean body/frame and just move the parts over to it if the problems with this one really bothered me that much. He said he would just drive it the way it is and don't worry about it.

If I do decide to buy another Jeep and swap the parts over when funds allow it, I'll probably pick up a 2.5L (You can pick clean ones up around here off Craigslist fairly cheap) and then do a motor swap. If I find one without an engine then I'll probably pick that up.

First things first, I'll be taking the hard top off and probably selling it to help pay off the Jeep. Good idea or will I regret selling the hard top?

One question I do have. I REALLY want to put on Metal Cloaks but since the body is tweaked, would I have problems putting them on? If so, then I'll probably try and pay this off as soon as I can and start looking for another Jeep to swap everything over to. If not, I may just keep this Jeep and deal with it quirks...

Also, We're going to take the frame report over to one more shop, have them look at it and make sure everything is OK and that it's safe to drive.
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Now that the Jeep is in my driveway for now, I went outside and poked around because I had some questions about the sway bar. I thought it had the trail sway bar from TeraFlex, this one looks more like the S/T one that they just recently released. There's a nob on the left side that I'm able to turn and lock which releases the sway bar and then turn back and lock the sway bar back down (just like the new S/T from them). Did TeraFlex make the S/T before and now the one they just released is now a redesign?
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Just got back from the local 4X4 Shop and went for a test drive with one of the guys. The guy was pretty impressed with it and said it drove really nice for a lifted Jeep. He said I would be fine with the TeraFlex sway bar that's on it, just don't disconnect it when I was DD it (which puzzled me because I thought it worked like the anti-rock which keeps you from having to do that). He drove it around some corners, took it on the highway and he said its a nice Jeep. Told me that when funds allow it, find a cheap Jeep with a clean body/frame and just move the parts over to it if the problems with this one really bothered me that much. He said he would just drive it the way it is and don't worry about it.

If I do decide to buy another Jeep and swap the parts over when funds allow it, I'll probably pick up a 2.5L (You can pick clean ones up around here off Craigslist fairly cheap) and then do a motor swap. If I find one without an engine then I'll probably pick that up.

First things first, I'll be taking the hard top off and probably selling it to help pay off the Jeep. Good idea or will I regret selling the hard top?

One question I do have. I REALLY want to put on Metal Cloaks but since the body is tweaked, would I have problems putting them on? If so, then I'll probably try and pay this off as soon as I can and start looking for another Jeep to swap everything over to. If not, I may just keep this Jeep and deal with it quirks...

Also, We're going to take the frame report over to one more shop, have them look at it and make sure everything is OK and that it's safe to drive.
Ditch the hard top, it doesn't even fit right man. Of course it's easy to say that for me since it doesn't get all that cold down here
The drive now swap everything over later plan sounds good, just remember if you get a 2.5, you'll have to swap the trans out if it's the Ax-5 manuel, and the rear will be a D35 unless you fix that too. Also, I don't think the motor mounts are the same, might want to check up on that

Oh, and glad your finally getting some progress, hope everything works out.
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Ditch the hard top, it doesn't even fit right man. Of course it's easy to say that for me since it doesn't get all that cold down here
The drive now swap everything over later plan sounds good, just remember if you get a 2.5, you'll have to swap the trans out if it's the Ax-5 manuel, and the rear will be a D35 unless you fix that too. Also, I don't think the motor mounts are the same, might want to check up on that.
Agree with you, if you'd like you can send the hard top my way haha.
And the 2.5 depending on the year will have either an ax-5 or an nv1500, and the engine swap would be a b**ch to do yourself, unless you have the knowledge(I wouldn't venture into it as I've helped put a 350 into an s10 and its a lot of work)
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I've been watching this thread for a while and there's a lot of advice in here. some good, some not as much. For what it's worth I'm going to throw out my opinion on the matter.

I've been where you are. Bought a car I thought was in good condition and soon found out otherwise. At the time I cut my losses and sold it to buy another car. At that time it was the best choice for me. I knew practically nothing about cars and how they ran or were put together. Now with hindsight I have a completely different point of view and recommendation for you.

Keep the Jeep. Yes. Keep it. Why? So you can work on it and learn how to fix it when it needs it. Not only will you know virtually every nut and bolt when you're done but each one will have meaning for you.

Make a list of every thing you know it needs. Right now it needs frame work. Not impossible to repair as some have already stated. I bet that eventually you will find that over the long run you will have spent equal amounts of money trying to find and build up another Jeep with similar mods while absorbing the loss of selling this Jeep at less than what you paid for.

Keeping the Jeep and fixing it just may be more rewarding. And you'll know it inside and out. Faults and all.
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Just got back from the local 4X4 Shop and went for a test drive with one of the guys. The guy was pretty impressed with it and said it drove really nice for a lifted Jeep. He said I would be fine with the TeraFlex sway bar that's on it, just don't disconnect it when I was DD it (which puzzled me because I thought it worked like the anti-rock which keeps you from having to do that). He drove it around some corners, took it on the highway and he said its a nice Jeep. Told me that when funds allow it, find a cheap Jeep with a clean body/frame and just move the parts over to it if the problems with this one really bothered me that much. He said he would just drive it the way it is and don't worry about it.

If I do decide to buy another Jeep and swap the parts over when funds allow it, I'll probably pick up a 2.5L (You can pick clean ones up around here off Craigslist fairly cheap) and then do a motor swap. If I find one without an engine then I'll probably pick that up.

First things first, I'll be taking the hard top off and probably selling it to help pay off the Jeep. Good idea or will I regret selling the hard top?

One question I do have. I REALLY want to put on Metal Cloaks but since the body is tweaked, would I have problems putting them on? If so, then I'll probably try and pay this off as soon as I can and start looking for another Jeep to swap everything over to. If not, I may just keep this Jeep and deal with it quirks...

Also, We're going to take the frame report over to one more shop, have them look at it and make sure everything is OK and that it's safe to drive.
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I'd sell the hard top to help pay if off, like you said, but forget about expensive mods until you pay your parents back. Not only would it be a slap in the face to them (you buying mods when you owe them money) but once it's paid off it'll give you more say over YOUR jeep. Trust me bro you want to pay it off before you turn 18 or move out on your own.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:42 PM   #138
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The main reason I question selling the hardtop is because if I do the swap more soon than I think, it would fit the new body. If I don't do the swap soon, I have a hard top taking space in my garage which I might as well sell to help pay back the money from buying the Jeep.
Also, it gets fairly cold here in the winter (low 20's or so sometimes but mainly low 30's. How does a soft top do during the winter?

As for the engine fitting the transmission in the new Jeep, I was just planning on doing a complete engine/trans swap. Axles and suspension will get put on the new Jeep and all the stock stuff will go onto the current Jeep.

My biggest thing is if MetalCloak Fenders will fit with the body being tweaked like it is. If they will, I can live with my current Jeep. If I'm going to have fitment issues then I'm going to start saving for a new Jeep (once I pay this one off).

If I keep the current Jeep, what fitment issues could I run into besides the soft top fitting?

Thanks again for all of the continued help/support. Like I said, still have to get the frame checked tomorrow and if they say it's safe for me to drive, parents will let me keep it.
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I go to work at 5am and it's in the 20's low 30's daily and the soft top does great as long as your heater works. After a few miles I have to turn the heater down to the lowest or second to lowest setting so the top retains heat decently.

And in the summer it won't be an issue at all even if the soft top doesn't fit right either. Throw a spiderweb shade on and call her a day.
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Winters in Michigan get to 10 degrees, used to get in the negatives but haven't seen that in years. I have a soft top and I'm burning in a good 10 min with the heat on high.
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Agree with the above, we've been getting really low 20s here in California, and as long as the heater works, it's not bad at all.
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The main reason I question selling the hardtop is because if I do the swap more soon than I think, it would fit the new body. If I don't do the swap soon, I have a hard top taking space in my garage which I might as well sell to help pay back the money from buying the Jeep.

As for the engine fitting the transmission in the new Jeep, I was just planning on doing a complete engine/trans swap. Axles and suspension will get put on the new Jeep and all the stock stuff will go onto the current Jeep.

My biggest thing is if MetalCloak Fenders will fit with the body being tweaked like it is. If they will, I can live with my current Jeep. If I'm going to have fitment issues then I'm going to start saving for a new Jeep.

If I keep the current Jeep, what fitment issues could I run into besides the soft top fitting?

Thanks again for all of the continued help/support. Like I said, still have to get the frame checked tomorrow and if they say it's safe for me to drive, parents will let me keep it.
I'd sell the hard top. It's just a pain to take off anyway. And if it means that much to you, buy another one when it fits. You might even find one for less than you sell yours for an make a little on top.

Didn't you have some kind of a trans issue? Or did that turn out to be nothing? If the jeep you swap to has the same trans as yours (no clue if the 2.5 had the same auto as the 4.0), might want to keep that one. But if your swapping axels, suspension, the atlas, and the engine, then the trans wouldn't be that much more anyway.

Dude, they're fenders. That wouldn't be my first concern, BUT I wouldn't bet on it fitting. You talked about the hood being off, and your windshield's twisted, which are close enough to the fenders to make me guess no.

Besides doors tops hoods and other body panels I can't think if anything.

Good luck getting the frame stuck.
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Yeah, I'll admit, I remember taking the hard top off for the first time and I told myself that it wouldn't come off until Summer or I sell it.

I already have a soft top, I just need to pick up some door surrounds and a tailgate bar (I think that's all I'm missing). I was planning on running a spiderwebshade and maybe SafariStraps in the back (still not sure on that) and then just popping up the soft top whenever it rains.

I'm debating on selling off my current soft top and picking up a Rampage Frameless top but then I lose out on the spiderwebshade.

Also, that trans thing turned out to be nothing. Its a normal thing from what someone else said earlier in the thread. If the Jeep I get has a compatible trans with lower mileage then I'll just drop in the engine. If I find a Jeep with lower mileage though, I'll just swap the suspension/axles.
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Again, if you're planning on doing the 2.5, the manual trans missions will be either an ax5 or an nv1500 or nsg370 or the auto will be the 30rh or 42rle depending on the year. Only ones compatible are the 42rle auto or the 6speed nsg370 I believe.(something to keep in mind)

Also the spiderweb shade is awesome for the summer, reason I have my old soft top still, and run the spiderweb shade in the summer with no top or doors(I leave the SWS with the soft top in the winter)
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I GET TO KEEP IT

Drove the Jeep over to a body shop the 4X4 place recommended and the guy we talked to was a fellow Jeeper. He visually inspected the frame pretty much said as long as it drives straight and there aren't any noticeable bends, he would just drive it. We told him about the bend going throughout the frame and he said that it should be fine. As long as the tires are wearing evenly and everything drives fine, he said it would be safe and not a problem. He showed me his stock Jeep and offered my mom a ride in it if it would make her feel better about letting me drive mine. He said that his stock Jeep bangs around, makes noises and when he hits a bump in the road it sounds like a wooden roller coaster.

That made my mom feel a lot better knowing all the noises she was hearing are just a Jeep thing.

I talked to him about putting the MetalCloaks on and he said he didn't see a problem with that and worst case scenario I would have to widen a hole or redrill a hole to fit. I told him that I was planning on selling the hard top since it doesn't fit and he offered to buy it once I'm ready to sell so I may give him a call if he truly wants it. Now I just need to reshim the hood, sell the hard top and buy the soft top hardware.
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Woohoo! Congrats man!
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I GET TO KEEP IT

Drove the Jeep over to a body shop the 4X4 place recommended and the guy we talked to was a fellow Jeeper. He visually inspected the frame pretty much said as long as it drives straight and there aren't any noticeable bends, he would just drive it. We told him about the bend going throughout the frame and he said that it should be fine. As long as the tires are wearing evenly and everything drives fine, he said it would be safe and not a problem. He showed me his stock Jeep and offered my mom a ride in it if it would make her feel better about letting me drive mine. He said that his stock Jeep bangs around, makes noises and when he hits a bump in the road it sounds like a wooden roller coaster.

That made my mom feel a lot better knowing all the noises she was hearing are just a Jeep thing.

I talked to him about putting the MetalCloaks on and he said he didn't see a problem with that and worst case scenario I would have to widen a hold or redrill a hole to fit. I told him that I was planning on selling the hard top since it does fit and he offered to buy it once I'm ready to sell so I may give him a call if he truly wants it. Now I just need to reshim the hood, sell the hard top and buy the soft top hardware.
I have been following your thread since day one. Congratulations also!!!
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Woohoo! Congrats man!
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RIGHT ON!!!! I'm happy for you man...that's one badass jeep.
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Been following all of this since day one, also. Glad you get to keep it!
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