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Old 05-29-2011, 06:04 PM   #1
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do I need adjustable ball joints?

Hey guys,
I need new ball joints, have never replaced them, but a buddy is letting me borrow his ball joint press and will be doing the work myself. Attached are the specs of my last alignment, could someone please tell me if I need adjustable ball joints. the place that did my alignment said I would need them in order to bring everything back to normal but i wasnt sure if they were just trying to get $400 out of me ( who can you trust nowadays) other than the WF community I have heard that tj's donít typically need them, but maybe im the one out of many that does.
If I need adjustable joints what ones should I get? I was debating between moog and spicer, but I believe that the dana spicers donít have an adjustable option.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

btw, im on 33's with a 4" lift, and it would be for my D30

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Old 05-29-2011, 08:13 PM   #2
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If you're gonna replace them you might as well get the adjustable to correct the camber on your wheels. Not sure which ones are best I'd just see if you can find reviews of ones you look at.

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Old 05-29-2011, 08:31 PM   #3
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Depends, do you have adjustable balls?
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:46 PM   #4
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Yes looking at your specs adjustable ball joints or sleeves would help you.
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Yes looking at your specs adjustable ball joints or sleeves would help you.
Are there certain types/sizes/design that would work better for my particular specs or are they all pretty much universal?

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Old 05-30-2011, 02:32 PM   #6
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I usually use the dual adjustable collars. They can adjust for both camber and caster.
I'll look to see if I have a link or box lying around to get the brand name.
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That would be great, thank you.
I was thinking moog for adjustable. But have no experience with any particular brand.
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Old 05-30-2011, 04:30 PM   #8
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Alright here's what I found the dual adjustable collars are not available for the axles Jeep uses. My Jeep has a Dana 60 front so I am into 1 ton parts and different availability.
Adjustable ball joints are what your balljoint option is but they are rather pricey. Another route is adjustable control arms, but these will only get you so much before getting into pinion angle issues. Depending on your chassis condition it could require both to get the caster you need.

Just for reference here are the adjustable camber/caster collars. But like I said I can't find them for a Dana 30, or 44.
Moog K80109 - Caster Camber Bushing | O'Reilly Auto Parts
https://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/C...+50028+2028036
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Old 05-30-2011, 04:55 PM   #9
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Alright here's what I found the dual adjustable collars are not available for the axles Jeep uses. My Jeep has a Dana 60 front so I am into 1 ton parts and different availability.
Adjustable ball joints are what your balljoint option is but they are rather pricey. Another route is adjustable control arms, but these will only get you so much before getting into pinion angle issues. Depending on your chassis condition it could require both to get the caster you need.

Just for reference here are the adjustable camber/caster collars. But like I said I can't find them for a Dana 30.
Moog K80109 - Caster Camber Bushing | O'Reilly Auto Parts


Thanks so much for your help, ill keep digging until I find something. I plan on getting currie or rokman CA's as soon as I can afford them aswell.
Thanks again.

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Old 05-30-2011, 09:12 PM   #10
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Alright a new question arises, do I get both upper and lower adjustable, is that necessary?
I have pretty much decided that moog is who I will be going with. Unless someone has a better option, quality is for sure an issue, I don't mind paying a few extra bucks for better quality.
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Looking at your specs and factory specs on the left you are out at least 1.5* and about 2* on the right. This is to just get you barely within the factory range. So it depends on how much adjustment the uppers will give you as to wether or not you need both adjustable.
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Jeep Wrangler Ball Joint LOWER ADJUSTABLE PAIR (MOOG) - AM Autoparts

Found these lowers, but haven't really found anything for the uppers, think I could get by with these, and replace the uppers with regular moog ball joints?
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:00 PM   #14
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https://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/R...+50038+2038049

About the third on on down are adjustable uppers depending on how much adjustment you need.
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:39 PM   #15
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I think the lowers at 1.75 degrees, and those uppers at 1/2 will be fine for my specs. I ill order them and see how it works out.

Ggg, you have been a great help, much appreciated.
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I don't mean to ask a stupid question but are you concerned about your alignment and buying adjustable ball joints solely because of the numbers off of the print out or is your Jeep not handling/driving properly? After installing a 2" BB my numbers were off too. I posted on this forum and it was explained to me that the numbers of most alignment shop print outs are for Jeeps with factory suspension/wheel diameters and that those numbers don't apply to modded Jeeps. The other piece of advice I got was that if the Jeep drove/handled well then to not worry about the "numbers".
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Old 06-01-2011, 09:49 PM   #17
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I had a Dodge ram 2500 Diesel, put Moog ball joints in, turned out they were junk. Come to find out Moog ball joints for diesel trucks are not very good quality. I don't know why their Jeep ball joints would be any better. i would try dynatrack Pro steer or Spicer. Dynatrac ProSteer Ball Joints
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:44 AM   #18
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I don't mean to ask a stupid question but are you concerned about your alignment and buying adjustable ball joints solely because of the numbers off of the print out or is your Jeep not handling/driving properly? After installing a 2" BB my numbers were off too. I posted on this forum and it was explained to me that the numbers of most alignment shop print outs are for Jeeps with factory suspension/wheel diameters and that those numbers don't apply to modded Jeeps. The other piece of advice I got was that if the Jeep drove/handled well then to not worry about the "numbers".
No, my camber is way off, wheels are siitting like this. / \ and I'm pulling to one side. I ripped off a CA mount, and a few other problems came with it.
And I just got the Gy mt/r kevlar (33's) and don't want them to go bad.
Also my stock ball joints are going bad.

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I had a Dodge ram 2500 Diesel, put Moog ball joints in, turned out they were junk. Come to find out Moog ball joints for diesel trucks are not very good quality. I don't know why their Jeep ball joints would be any better. i would try dynatrack Pro steer or Spicer. Dynatrac ProSteer Ball Joints
Yea, I wanted spicer, but couldn't find adjustable joints by them. ,
Ill check the others out too, haven't ordered any yet.
Thanks for the advice.
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All I own are diesels, even my Jeep and lawnmower, and I use Moog exclusively. I am not saying anything against the other brands mentioned but Moog are very good quality in my opinion, plus last time I bought them they came with a lifetime warranty. JMO
KRawson glad I could help you out.
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But I still had to know why the moogs would give such a symptom. So of course, I cut one apart. The design was actually pretty interesting. No bushing or insert of any kind. Which if done properly, is the only real way to have a "lifetime part." But, I saw two things that I didn't like. One was the fact that it looked like they take in old ball joints on warranty and reuse the pin. The pin had some pretty deep pits in it. The other thing was how the ball fit in the cup. The wear pattern is up to high on the ball of the pin. The top 1/4 of the ball never makes contact with the cup. So the weight of the truck is trying to force the ball down a tighter radius, which could create a pinching effect. I have attached pics so you call all see what it looks like on the inside." From CARLI suspension.com



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Thats pretty interesting, Thanks for sharing the pics 4jeep.
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Interesting photos, soon I will be replacing ball joints on my F350. They are Moog 150K miles on this set so I have no complaints as far as them wearing out prematurely. I'll cut mine apart and inspect them.
I noticed Dynatrac only makes Prosteer Jeep ball joints for 2007-2010 model years, the OP has an 04 TJ. Also the Dynatrac ball joints are non adjustable for camber/caster such as what the OP is looking for.
The Dynatrac parts look very nice but like most Dynatrac products are very expensive to the point you could make a good argument that they have priced themselves out of the market.
NAPA who isn't the cheapest parts store has the ball joints (non adj.) from $25-$60 ea. Dynatrac wants $600 for all four so they average $150ea. Then there is the alignment issue, you still have to figure out how to correct the OP alignment issues. The NAPA adj. ball joints run about $100 ea and can easily solve the alignment issues.
All I'm saying is to me it's a hard sell to go the Dynatrac route in this case for a few reasons.
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Off subject;
4 Jeep family what county do you live in? You location description is pretty much the same as mine.
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:34 PM   #24
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Talked to a few people, some at shops and some friends they all suggested moog as a good adjustable replacement. Pretty certain ill be going with moog lowers and going to NAPA for the uppers.
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