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Old 04-21-2011, 11:29 AM   #1
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Don't know what to upgrade next, have a few ideas, opinions please

Hi everyone,

I am looking forward to the warm weather and I can't wait to hit the trails at Rausch Creek ORV park soon. My problem is that I have a few ideas for some upgrades to my TJ but I don't know if they are worth it... I wheeled all last summer at Rausch Creek on green/blue trails (with occasional reds) and never had any problems or broke any parts, so I was definitely happy about that. My current set up is OME lift, 1" BL, D44, locked D30 (stock axles), 3.73's, 33 baja claws, a high lift jack with the wheel hook attachment (don't remember the actual name), and everything else is stock.

I was considering the following upgrades. I can't decide which would be most helpful for the money spent. I love wheeling, but I don't plan on much rock crawling. I like the trail stuff more than the hard core rocks.

1. rocker guards - seems like a a good idea given the tons of rocks and trees at Rausch Creek, and not too expensive

2. control arms - here I am not sure what to do. Do I only upgrade the lower arms since people say that the stock ones are weak and can bend, or do I do all the arms? or maybe just the fronts to get started?

3. high clearance skid plate - I'd really like to do this, but I don't have an SYE and double cardan drive shaft yet, so that might be an expensive uprade

4. Superior front axles - now that I am running a locker on 33's, I have been worried about the extra stress on the ears of the axles and the splines

What do you guys think? Any other suggestions?... other than the stuff I listed, my rig is all stock. thanks.

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#3, but you're right it gets expensive. Plan on a sye and ds. I think u can get them from advanced adapters together for 500 or so.

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...3. high clearance skid plate - I'd really like to do this, but I don't have an SYE and double cardan drive shaft yet, so that might be an expensive uprade.....
THIS... ARMOR IS SOOOO IMPORTANT... protect your vitals... the rest will come later... every GOOD mod is going to be pricey... don't let it stop you... save up...
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Old 04-21-2011, 01:18 PM   #4
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thanks for the advice guys... Any opinion on which belly-up skid to go with? Right now I don't have any driveline vibrations, and the stock skid plate is in NOT lowered. I was thinking that maybe I can get away with running a Terra Flex belly-up and a motor mount lift to prevent vibrations before I can afford to get the SYE and shafts. What do you think?
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thanks for the advice guys... Any opinion on which belly-up skid to go with? Right now I don't have any driveline vibrations, and the stock skid plate is in NOT lowered. I was thinking that maybe I can get away with running a Terra Flex belly-up and a motor mount lift to prevent vibrations before I can afford to get the SYE and shafts. What do you think?
Are u auto or manual.
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With 33s and the lift you need to (IMO) do the SYE and Tom Woods shaft (great products)... i think you are gonna have vibrations if you dont...
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UCF gives the most clearance.
Rokmen is prolly the strongest.
UCF will need sye/cv
Rokmen prolly won't.

I would also like more info on control arms though.
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UCF gives the most clearance.
Rokmen is prolly the strongest.
UCF will need sye/cv
Rokmen prolly won't.
This also depends on what year your Jeep is.... I have a 97 so Rokmen didnt have straight up options for me so im going with UCF

anything before 2003, its easier to go with UCF (without doing some fab work)
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thanks for all the info. I have a 98 manual. I was just looking at Rokmen, but I will check out UCF. It seems like everything I'm reading suggests that I need the SYE and a drive shaft, and I don't want to cut corners and have my daily driver run like crap. I also don't feel like destroying u-joints every 5,000 miles because I chose to do the "cheap" route, haha.
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This also depends on what year your Jeep is.... I have a 97 so Rokmen didnt have straight up options for me so im going with UCF

anything before 2003, its easier to go with UCF (without doing some fab work)
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I'm doing UCF because the extra high clearance is...well, it's in the name.
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...It seems like everything I'm reading suggests that I need the SYE and a drive shaft, and I don't want to cut corners and have my daily driver run like crap. I also don't feel like destroying u-joints every 5,000 miles because I chose to do the "cheap" route, haha.
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Just put on a Tera belly up on my lj, immediately went and ordered a see and a Tom woods. U will have to get one with a tj unless you lower the skid, but then what's the point.
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again guys, thanks for the info... I'm going to save up some money and get the skid plate and everything else to go along with it. But, actually now that I look at my budget, maybe I can pick up the drive shaft and SYE now, and then wait to do the skid when I save some more... I'm really just looking for excuses to tear the Jeep apart, haha

One last question, If I run a SYE and tom woods shaft, do I still need to worry about a motor mount lift? I'm guessing that is unnecessary once you have the SYE and new shaft, but I just want to make sure.
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I wouldn't be able to fit a 1" mml with the tera but I have an auto not sure if yours would differ. The belly up comes with a 5/8 mml that I will have to put on to clear the fan shroud in the front.
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again guys, thanks for the info... I'm going to save up some money and get the skid plate and everything else to go along with it. But, actually now that I look at my budget, maybe I can pick up the drive shaft and SYE now, and then wait to do the skid when I save some more... I'm really just looking for excuses to tear the Jeep apart, haha

One last question, If I run a SYE and tom woods shaft, do I still need to worry about a motor mount lift? I'm guessing that is unnecessary once you have the SYE and new shaft, but I just want to make sure.
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YES it is necessary BUT only if you do the BODY LIFT... Body lift and Motor Mount Lift go hand in hand
Correction... this is if you dont want to relocate the fan shroud... (the MML prevents the fan from rubbing after the BL)
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Yes. Infact UCF sells a package with
Engine/tranny skid
T-case skid
Lo-pro tranny mount
Jks 1.25 BL
Jks 1" mml
Which is necessary if you want maximum clearance. (t case sits almost flush with frame)
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ok, got it. I already have the 1" body lift done, and I moved the fan shroud. So, now I'm looking at buying a SYE and tom woods shaft from Quadratec. I can also pick up a MML and just move my fan shroud back to stock location.
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Do you perchance have a rubicon?
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I don't. Just a regular 4.0, but it goes everywhere that my buddy's rubi goes, haha.
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Just wondering cuz you wouldn't need an sye then
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ok, got it. I already have the 1" body lift done, and I moved the fan shroud. So, now I'm looking at buying a SYE and tom woods shaft from Quadratec. I can also pick up a MML and just move my fan shroud back to stock location.
I may b thinking this out the wrong way. I had the mml and removed them when I did my sye/cv. ( If u want mine u can have them Im in Philly. only in the jeep for a few months ) but I did not have a BL.

My question is if u add the mml, and raise the motor 1" how does this return the shroud to the original location? did u have to move the shroud up or down originally?

O and I would change the control arms. lowers all around. then get adj uppers a pair at a time. also think about beefing up the steering linkage and maybe a durango gear box ($60-$80 at junkyard) Armour is a close 2 tho. I tacoed my stock upper CAs and still wheeled all day and drove home w/o DW at highway speeds. If I didnt have the beefy LCAs I would have put my d30 into my feet when I took a nose dive off that 6' berm
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I may b thinking this out the wrong way. I had the mml and removed them when I did my sye/cv. ( If u want mine u can have them Im in Philly. only in the jeep for a few months ) but I did not have a BL.

My question is if u add the mml, and raise the motor 1" how does this return the shroud to the original location? did u have to move the shroud up or down originally?...
He installed a BL (Body Lift), causing the fan to stay in the same spot, but the shroud to move up slightly. This caused the fan to rub the bottom of the shroud, so he relocated the shroud LOWER. Now that he is installing a MML, it will put the motor even with the BL. This will cause the fan to rub the TOP of the shroud, so he is goin to move it back to the original location... make sense?
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