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Old 05-15-2014, 05:18 AM   #1
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Doors off, no mirrors legal

Does anyone ride with there doors off an no mirrors and not get pulled over. Im in pa and i took my doors off so i ahd no mirrors the other day and i passed probably 8 cops with no problem.

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Old 05-15-2014, 05:37 AM   #2
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Laws vary state to state ====LIST of STATE MIRROR LAWS==== - JeepForum.com but it is going to depend on the local cops themselves. It's not a major offence and they likely will not pull you over just for that as a primary. I've run around plenty in several states without bothering (or forgot) to put on my temporary doorless mirror.

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Old 05-15-2014, 05:42 AM   #3
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In PA you are not permitted to drive without doors. Tons of people drive doorless but you can be ticketed and the courts will side with the cops.

I'm sure you technically need mirrors if you must drive with factory doors.
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In PA you are not permitted to drive without doors. Tons of people drive doorless but you can be ticketed and the courts will side with the cops. I'm sure you technically need mirrors if you must drive with factory doors.
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You are required to have the side mirrors in PA.

While in the police academy and studying the vehicle code, I've never heard of any laws that require the doors (granted, that was 10 years ago and the laws change constantly).

In 12 years of owning Jeeps, I've never had an issue when I was missing either...

I HAVE been yelled at to keep my legs inside of the Jeep though. I tend to put my foot on the door frame or on the side step when I take the doors off.
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You are required to have the side mirrors in PA. While in the police academy and studying the vehicle code, I've never heard of any laws that require the doors (granted, that was 10 years ago and the laws change constantly). In 12 years of owning Jeeps, I've never had an issue when I was missing either... I HAVE been yelled at to keep my legs inside of the Jeep though. I tend to put my foot on the door frame or on the side step when I take the doors off.
Will cops really bug you about not having mirrors. I dont see the need to spend 50$ on mirrors.
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:28 AM   #7
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Will cops really bug you about not having mirrors. I dont see the need to spend 50$ on mirrors.
I just purchased the side mirrors that go into the frames two years ago. Before that I spent ten years without them when I took the doors off and never had a problem. I know that the law does require them so that is why I did pick up a pair that drop in the door hinge, just to prevent any fights/debates.

I have asked my buddies at Scranton PD and some friends that are Staties about the doors. I'll let you know their responses once I hear back from them.
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You are required to have the side mirrors in PA.

While in the police academy and studying the vehicle code, I've never heard of any laws that require the doors (granted, that was 10 years ago and the laws change constantly).

In 12 years of owning Jeeps, I've never had an issue when I was missing either...
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I'm sure it occurs elsewhere but I have seen a number of posts specifically about people in PA having difficulty over doors and tickets.

It's a big state (like everywhere) and of course it depends on the individual police officer(s) I work in the Philadelphia area and vacation in NW PA and have not had an issue but others have had different experiances.
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I just purchased the side mirrors that go into the frames two years ago. Before that I spent ten years without them when I took the doors off and never had a problem. I know that the law does require them so that is why I did pick up a pair that drop in the door hinge, just to prevent any fights/debates.

I have asked my buddies at Scranton PD and some friends that are Staties about the doors. I'll let you know their responses once I hear back from them.
Statie just said that "it's bulls#it" for getting a ticket without the doors. He just flipped through his 2013 criminal / vehicle code and didn't see anything for that. If anyone in PA gets a ticket for not having doors, let me know...we want to check to see what section/subsection they were cited under.
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I was just reading over the PA code from the List of Mirror Laws thread linked above, and it looks like only a rearview mirror is required, not side view. There are exceptions, of course, but most of those states that I looked at only required one rearview mirror, and that's the one on the windshield.

The doors.... well, I don't know about that one, but I'd imagine UPS, FedEx, and USPS would have an issues with that law.
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There are people who have been cited for having no doors in PA as seen above in Neil's post. That being said, I have had my Jeep for 14 years and have never had an issue with no doors. I have a friend who has his Jeep almost as long as I do and never had a problem. Can it happen? Yes. But it is rare. I have pulled next to state troopers and local cops at stop lights. I also make sure I have my mirrors moved to the door frame so I still run both side mirrors for safety/visibility reasons.
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Good question nobody has ever started a thread like this before...
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I was just reading over the PA code from the List of Mirror Laws thread linked above, and it looks like only a rearview mirror is required, not side view. There are exceptions, of course, but most of those states that I looked at only required one rearview mirror, and that's the one on the windshield.

The doors.... well, I don't know about that one, but I'd imagine UPS, FedEx, and USPS would have an issues with that law.
That is correct, per the code you only need the rearview mirror. Unless your view is blocked, like when towing a trailer or a high load in the back seat.

Again per the code, doors are not required, as long as the top is off.
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Old 05-15-2014, 01:49 PM   #15
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Haa this is so confusing!! 'No one is saying the same thing. Its all mixed comments. I dont know whats true or not! Help me!!
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Old 05-15-2014, 01:57 PM   #16
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Call me silly, but why would you not want to have side mirrors. I think it is a safety issue. When I have driven without them I feel like my visibility is significantly diminished.These are a bit pricey, but so easy to use.

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Call me silly, but why would you not want to have side mirrors. I think it is a safety issue. When I have driven without them I feel like my visibility is significantly diminished.These are a bit pricey, but so easy to use. American Outlaw BLK00207 - American Outlaw Black Mirrors for 76-14 Jeep® CJ and Wrangler - Quadratec
Yeh ive seen those before but i dont really feel like i need mirrors. Theres no blind spots on jeeps and u do a quick turn with your head and your good. But honestly i have money to save for tires and wheels so im not worried about mirrors nor do i really care about having them either.
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Its actually a Federal Mandate to have an outside Mirror at minimum on the Driver side. This is from DOT. State laws vary, but I can guarantee at least one outside mirror is required by all states. Whether or not its enforced most likely depends on the boredom of the local Officer.
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I havent had my jeep long, but I havent had any problems. I did once pull up next to an officer blasting the
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Its actually a Federal Mandate to have an outside Mirror at minimum on the Driver side. This is from DOT. State laws vary, but I can guarantee at least one outside mirror is required by all states. Whether or not its enforced most likely depends on the boredom of the local Officer.
Most local guys won't mess with DOT code. It's kinda like a municipal cop trying to enforce a Federal Regulation. Can he stop you for it? Sure... But can he cite you? If memory serves me (8 years as a cop), he has to call in someone who can enforce it, and most of them won't just for a relatively small ticket. Now if you turn your Jeep into a big rig and you are hauling a 60' trailer behind you, then you'll have problems, because whatever form of DOT any state has will be allllllll over that one.
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But honestly i have money to save for tires and wheels so im not worried about mirrors nor do i really care about having them either.
In order to save money for the tires, you might consider that a $100 set of mirrors might save you from $200 worth of tickets or an increase in insurance premiums if you get in a wreck. Even if the wreck isn't your fault, a cop could give you a ticket for no mirror. If he does that, your insurance company could find you partially liable for the wreck and decide to raise your premiums if you make a claim. Just something to consider.
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OMG,is it really that big of a deal to stick a mirror on? I spent prob 10.00 and it takes all of about a minute while drinking a beer to install it.Its about safety also.So just put one on & stop worrying about it.That was easy.
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OMG,is it really that big of a deal to stick a mirror on? I spent prob 10.00 and it takes all of about a minute while drinking a beer to install it.Its about safety also.So just put one on & stop worrying about it.That was easy.
Where did you find a mirror for $10 at?
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Im heading to Pennsyltucky on Saturday, I hope I dont get hassled
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OMG,is it really that big of a deal to stick a mirror on? I spent prob 10.00 and it takes all of about a minute while drinking a beer to install it.Its about safety also.So just put one on & stop worrying about it.That was easy.
I've seen in other threads where people have gotten a 2" stick on mirror and put it on the drivers side a/c vent. Inexpensive, only requires installation once, and might satisfy the legal requirement. Although I know a lot of those mirrors are convex and some states, I know Louisiana is like this, requires that the mirror cans be distorted. It must be flat so distance can be better judged.
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Im heading to Pennsyltucky on Saturday, I hope I dont get hassled
You wont get hassled i hope. Like i said i took mine off for the first time the othere day and passed maybe 8 cops. It was wierd but i didnt get stopped.
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Some states are lucky, we're only required to have one mirror that let's us see 200 feet of highway behind us. So with the top off, the rear view mirror complies well
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Bought 2 round trailer mirrors with a L brack with a whole for a bolt, simple stuck a bolt straight threw and into the top hinge.. Technically I have 2 mirrors there ... Can I see out the passenger one ? Not very good , but it'll save the hassle of a cop.
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... doors are not required, as long as the top is off.
I don't understand this part.
If the TOP is off, then, no DOORS are required?

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