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Old 07-06-2011, 11:16 PM   #1
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Driving, fog, or long range lamps and placement

The question is.... what type of light should go where?

I know that a fog light shouldnt go on the windshield mounts because of glare. But which one is best for that location, which for the front bumper, and which for a windshield mount light bar? I am just starting to do some research before I add aux lighting. Thx in advance for your expert advise.

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Old 07-07-2011, 03:12 PM   #2
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True "fog lamps" are meant to be mounted as low as possible to the ground which is the reason most Jeeps do not use fog lamps as they would be torn off within seconds. The problem with mounting lights to the windsheild brackets is indeed glare, unless you paint the hood flat black or paint the lower half of the lamp with high temp paint glare will be a nasty problem. You also have to consider the laws in your area regarding aux lighting. Some places you have to have the covers on all aux lamps unless you are off road as well as with how high they can be mounted. Spot lamps will shine light far up the the road while flood lamps will shine light a short distance but the light pattern will be wide and will light up the trail directly in front of the jeep. It kind of all depends the type of night wheeling you do and on what type of terrain. Just don't forget to hook up your lamps to relays.

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As for the type of wheeling I do its mostly open areas and man made. Not a whole lot to do here in FL. The few places I would go at night are some trails out west but they are fast moving and pretty flat so I want to see farther. But I dont want to lose sight of whats right in front of me either. I have 4 light mounts on my front bumper, 2 are used for my Hi lift jack atm. and Im trying to decide if I want a light bar or windshield mounts. Id really like to use the lower ones for a flood type light and whatever is best ( windshield or lightbar) for a farther reaching light. Plus, I wont lie, I want it to look good also lol.
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:56 PM   #4
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The only Law I could find about aux lights in FL, after Ive read the whole section, doesnt say they have to be covered or how high they are allowed to be installed. Just that no more than 4 are alowed to be used on the road.
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Old 07-07-2011, 07:02 PM   #5
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You will want long range lights in windshield to reduce glare, and floods or fogs on your bumper. I have heard many guys talk about loosing/breaking lights from low hanging branches and such when using a roof lightbar. Personally I don't have one and can't say, but it makes sense if your not careful. But I guess it can happen to any setup. I would say, look at a ton of pics and decide what setup you like the look of. That will help determine what lights go where.

I personally have floods in the bumper of my tj and love em, and have spots on the windshield of my JK and love em, I just need to combine the two!!
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What's the best bang for your buck for driving lights on the w/s brackets?
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What's the best bang for your buck for driving lights on the w/s brackets?
I can personally only speak about hella 500's. I have the black magic and love the look and light output. They are 55watts about 100$ on amazon. I'm sure there are better, but you will pay more too. They were in my price range and I have been pleased so far.
Others may have better advice,

Edit: I think they would look awesome on your black jeep too!
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Old 07-07-2011, 09:31 PM   #8
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I for sure want some for driving the country roads at night. And for wheelin. Just haven't spent the cash yet. Are they fine as far as power draw? Can you leave them on a long time without them getting too hot
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I haven't used the ones on my JK much, but used the floods in the tj constantly while on back roads and never had any problems. I would assume the black magics are the same, they are just a different beam pattern and blacked out. They are only 55watt which is road legal most places, (I know in KY it is. You may have to check local regs.), so they don't draw much. I wired them straight to battery so I could have complete control over when they were on and off.
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Here is a pic of the black magics on the A post mount.
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Those do look good. Did the come as a kit for that price? Or just the lights. No biggie either way as I'm a mechanic and have all the wire I need
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Those do look good. Did the come as a kit for that price? Or just the lights. No biggie either way as I'm a mechanic and have all the wire I need
It was a complete kit to wire them up, harness ,relay, switch.
windshield mounts separate and I used a different switch. I got the A pillar switch pod from rugged ridge.
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I have the fog lights mounted in my bumper and the KC daylighter's on top for the longer range lighting. It works well for me and KC has the best warranty I have been able to find. Hope this helps.
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What's the best bang for your buck for driving lights on the w/s brackets?
For inexpensive but good lights for the windshield check out the kc knockoff's

Buy Blazer Chrome Off-Road Halogen Baja Light 100 Watt (1 Bulb) C52CW at Advance Auto Parts

Many people will tell you to buy the KC's, but for people on a budget, or want multiple sets without spending hundred of dollars, you cant go wrong with these. You will have to buy the wiring, relays and switches but that's cheap enough.

And yes, I have 2 sets of these on my YJ and am very happy with them.

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I always like this picture for what each kind of light does

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I have the slimlites for fogs and long range spots. fogs on the bumper and spots on the windshield. I dont have any issue with glare with the windshield mounted spots. here is a photo
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I have Delta fender lights and love them. No glare and they are positioned well. I'm surprised I don't see them on more Jeeps.
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KC spots on the windshield
Hella driving lights on the bumper
E-codes in place of the factory headlights
Aux rear backup lights

all independantly wired and relayed with double pole switches so they can all be turned on or off at will or triggered by the high beams.

I turn night into day.
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Good driving lamps on the bumper or centered (such as on a light bracket that fits on a roller fairlead) will address most needs, and can be reasonably protected from injury in those places.

Fogs are nice, if you have somewhere to put them. Outer edge of the bumper, as the factory fogs are set up, would be best. The projector fog lamps from Hella (Micro DE Fog) look interesting, in that they could probably be mounted immediately alongside a driving lamp that was mounted to the factory fog light location.

Long-range spots is another matter, and their utility and placement needs are going to depend more on the specific uses intended than for the other lamp types. Particular attention needs to be paid to their glare tendencies if mounted to windshield brackets or light bars/roof racks, as these lights are primarily used during high-speed vehicle operation. These are generally not appropriate for on-road use, anyway, so the "legality" component of mounting, wattage, etc., is somewhat less relevant than for driving or fog lamps.

If lighting is your goal (as opposed to just pimpin' your ride), consider some good headlamps like the Hella E-Code headlights, as the improvement in dispersion pattern (versus US-spec sealed beams) is substantial, particularly in inclement weather.
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I am looking into all the ones listed. I have mounts on the w/s already al I had a safari rack mounted there. I don't plan on using them for hiway use. Just back roads wheelin. Animal recovery. Basicly times when a bit more light would be handy
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I always like this picture for what each kind of light does

Some of the best info I have gotten yet, thanks!
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I too went with KC Long Range on KC W/S mounts and KC replacement fogs in about the same position on my Warn bumper.
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Buy Blazer Chrome Off-Road Halogen Baja Light 100 Watt (1 Bulb) C52CW at Advance Auto Parts


And yes, I have 2 sets of these on my YJ and am very happy with them.

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do these lights have a chrome housing? or are they black? the online description doesnt match the pictures thanks.
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I checked them out at you can get them chrome or black.
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Lighting and common sense

I'm up here in Maine and as such we need lighting, badly !!! While state law has a limit to the number of lights you can have running at any 1 time, it does not limit you to how many you can have. Here in Northern Maine that is a, practically speaking, very common issue.

We have almost every type of critter up here that can, and frequently does, damage a vehicle. up to Greyhound bus's. We have moose that stand on railroad tracks and stare down 500 TON TRAIN'S. We have deer that have no reservations about jumping in front of a jeep and skewering the driver like a shish-ka-bob. The deer's eyes at least glow. The moose's don't !!!

Given all of this, running both fog's and hi-ride light's together is almost a daily occurrence. Even the State Police up here concede that the only real way to avoid a wildlife collision is to see them first. As such, it is almost a rarity that any Trooper up here is gonna give you a cite for running in excess of 4 lights when your out on the backroads and trails. Now, if you're in town or do something stupid (Like drive 'loaded', or run all your lights while your in town) you deserve to get the cite . But out in the 'stick's', common sense and survival prevail. There are at least 2 MSP Trooper's right now that wish they had been running extra lights, given they got their Crown Vic's ROOF'S REMOVED !!!!

Me, I run a set of front bumper's, a set of hi-ride's and 1 halogen B/U light, all on single circuits so I can use'em when needed or as necessary. But I use'em as needed by the situation, not my ego.
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i use KC long range on my windshield and love them. makes me wish i drive on trails more at night

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