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Old 11-16-2009, 11:32 AM   #1
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Dyna Beads, etc, for tire balancing

Anybody is using beads or something similar for 33"s tire balancing and does it worth it? I am due for tire balancing and I would like to know what you guys use.

Tires ares TrXus MT's 33"

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I'm using them on my 36" Iroks and they work great. The only issues are when you hit a big bump, sometimes it takes a few seconds for them to settle back into place. Otherwise they're great.

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I ran trxus in 35s PITA to balance. I used something in them but don't recall what it was tough. It worked for a while. Heck my TSL's balanced better than the trxus.
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I ran trxus in 35s PITA to balance. I used something in them but don't recall what it was though. It worked for a while. Heck my TSL's balanced better than the trxus.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:58 AM   #5
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I am not complain with the TrXus so far. I did a 5 tire rotation the other day and I am getting some front shimmy which I did not have before (I had a very short steering shake at 45mph). I am thinking its the one new tire since this is the first time after the lift that I am trowing in the rotation the spare and its new. But its in the rear though.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:59 AM   #6
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I'm using them on my 36" Iroks and they work great. The only issues are when you hit a big bump, sometimes it takes a few seconds for them to settle back into place. Otherwise they're great.
Stupid questions: If you are not happy with them can you remove it or not? Also do you get any noise? I heard people say the are loud??
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:24 PM   #7
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I have 35's that need balanced... I think I am going dyna beads this time
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:32 PM   #8
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I have seen people use lead shot in them to balance a tire. BB's too but those corrode over time so not good. Have seen GOLF balls used on big ol 44's/ Sounds funny at a stop light.


I finally got my Pit Bull tires I won at the AR-TTORA event in September. I went with 33x13.50x15 Rockers. The Pit Bull warehouse is located in St. Louis, and I so happened to be going there for other reasons, so I got to pick them up and meet the folks, and tour the warehouse. Pretty cool.

Anyways, I've heard about using AirSoft BB's to balance tires, similar to DynaBeads. Using this chart (http://innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm), and a little research at Wal-Mart, I've decided how much to buy, etc.

The chart states that I need 8 oz for a 33x13.50x15 6 ply tire (what I have). Most AirSoft BB's are of the 6mm variety, an weight around .12 grams (around .0042 oz).

So I know that 1 oz = 28.35 grams (thanks Google), and 4 tires times 8 oz = 32 oz needed.

28.35 grams times 32 oz = 907.2 grams of BB's are needed. How many BB's is that?

907.2 grams divided by .12 grams = 7560 BB's. Great, now how many BB's per tire?

7560 BB's divided by 4 tires = 1890 BB's per tire.
Right now Wal-mart has the 10k pack for 15 bucks so 3.75 to balance each tire is cheap.

According to my research, using more than the recommended amount per tire doesn't hurt anything. So if I bought 4 - 2000 count packs of BB's, I'd be right on at 8.46 oz each.

As for how to use them, just break a bead and dump them in, or dump them in before mounting the tire. They won't fit through the valve stem like DynaBeads will, so you have to break a bead. Getting them out is pretty easy using a shop vac.

The greatest benefit of using the BB's for balancing is that its dynamic. If I chunk a tire pretty bad, I don't have to rebalance the tire. The BB's will move around and compensate for the imbalance. Another benefit is that I can mount my tires myself, and don't have to pay a tire shop .
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The TrXus 33's are 6 ply. In order to figure out the dyna beads oz do you just go by the thread ply (6) or you add the side on too which is 2?
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Just go to the chart and look at the size. It says the exact amount using 6 ply tires.
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Stupid questions: If you are not happy with them can you remove it or not? Also do you get any noise? I heard people say the are loud??
Yeah you can remove them. You'd probably want to dismount the tire and wheel and suck them up with a shop vac.

I can't hear them at all.
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you insert them through the valve stem or beads?
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you insert them through the valve stem or beads?
You can pour them through the valve stems or put them in before you mount the tire. I poured mine through the valve stems. They're small enough that they pour right in. The beads are slightly bigger than a grain of course sugar.
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Did you get through the innovative balancing web site? Dyna Beads and Accessories
"Larger size bead for large, aggressive off-road tires
NO special valve cores required.
1 bag per pack
Pour-In install only, not for use with Applicator or through valve stem"

Thats on the off road and aggressive section.

^^^ Thats from their site. My tires are on the wheels so it as to go through the valve stem? Now don't scream: I guess you remove the stem? hehe.
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I used Dyna beads on my 42" bias Iroks. I had the same experience as Scout. Hit a bump at speed and it will toss the beads out of whack but they settle back down. On my new jeep it had equal tire balance already installed. It was horrible. So I vacuumed it all out and installed tape weights.
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So the equal tire balancing was horrible not the beads right? Now what do you mean it will toss the beads at a bump and what happens until they settle down?
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Brother had tha equal crap in his tires. It does not work good. Clumps out and never worked right.
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So the equal tire balancing was horrible not the beads right? Now what do you mean it will toss the beads at a bump and what happens until they settle down?
Correct. The equal balance media is a waste of money. The dyna beads are a worthy investment.

If you hit the right bump and it disturbs the balance media inside the tire it will have to balance out again. Until that happens you can get some unwanted driving characteristics like tire wobble or steering wheel shakes. Once the balance media gets back to where it is supposed to you are fine. Until you hit another bad bump.
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Once the balance media gets back to where it is supposed to you are fine. Until you hit another bad bump.
That means I will be a shaker driving to this one road that I have to be on in order to go home

In order to put them in I just remove the valve core right? And put in the entire 8 oz bag of the beads for every tire.
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You will need filtered valve cores so they don't plug up. Innovativebalancing also has an easy applicator. It is worth the 3.17 price tag.

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Did you get through the innovative balancing web site? Dyna Beads and Accessories
Yes I bought mine direct from Innovative Balancing.

And x's whatever on what Mr. Clifford said.
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Do you need to deflate the tire a lot? And I am assuming you will remove the weights already on there right?
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Do you need to deflate the tire a lot? And I am assuming you will remove the weights already on there right?
Yes. Remove the core = let all the air out. Remove all the existing weight and you are good to go!
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If you use the larger off road weights you will need to pop the bead and pour them into the tire. If you use the smaller beads you can pour them through the valve stem. Go to their website their is a lot of information.
I have 8 ounces in each of my tires includng the spare, they seem to balance fine.
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Do you need to deflate the tire a lot? And I am assuming you will remove the weights already on there right?
Yeah if you try to put them in while the air is blowing out of the valve stem you might get shot by the beads. Wear safety glasses just in case.
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Yeah if you try to put them in while the air is blowing out of the valve stem you might get shot by the beads. Wear safety glasses just in case.
and take video!
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So this stuff is fine for daily drivers that do a lot of highway driving too right? I was looking at the chart on their website (http://www.innovativebalancing.com/t...rtmap.htm)...I have BFG All-Terrain T/A KO tires in a 31x10.5R15...is it correct that I would need 6 oz/tire with those?

While this stuff isn't cheap...I have the know-how to mount tires since I have to do it quite a bit with our tractors at work, but we don't have a machine to balance them. Breaking beads is simple using a backhoe with a clamshell bucket....lol...but balancing them is a bit of a setback and most places around here charge you a fortune if you don't buy the tires from them.
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Cheap..........
Most AirSoft BB's are of the 6mm variety, an weight around .12 grams (around .0042 oz).

So I know that 1 oz = 28.35 grams (thanks Google), and 4 tires times 8 oz = 32 oz needed.

28.35 grams times 32 oz = 907.2 grams of BB's are needed. How many BB's is that?

907.2 grams divided by .12 grams = 7560 BB's. Great, now how many BB's per tire?

7560 BB's divided by 4 tires = 1890 BB's per tire.
Right now Wal-mart has the 10k pack for 15 bucks so 3.75 to balance each tire is cheap.
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Years ago I can remember an old timer telling me about using a anti freeze water mix and pouring it in your tires. The Anti Freeze theoretically should keep rust at bay and the fluid should seek to balance the tire.
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