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Old 03-17-2010, 05:54 PM
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Question euro tail light guards

i just purchased the Rugged Ridge Euro Tail Light Guards, and on the quadratec web site where i got them, it says that tailgate hinge mods must be made........ before i jump into the install, i was hoping some of my jeep brethren could give me a heads up as to what this will involve......... will i need new hardware, what tools will i need, ect. thanx to all and keep on jeepin'!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 03-17-2010, 05:59 PM   #2
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Now then... I know you're jazzed about the new Euro tail light guards but if someone gave a set to me, I wouldn't install them for two reasons. First, they commonly cause an electrical grounding issue with the tail lights. The tail lights get their electrical ground through their three mounting bolts & when you insert a guard between the tub and the lights, that ground often becomes intermittent. You could wire an extra ground wire between the tail light & tub but...

The second reason is as good as they can look to a new Jeeper, those guards aren't strong enough to actually protect the tail lights & if you back into something, the damaged guard is going to take the tail light with it... they aren't strong enough to actually protect them. Besides, a whole new tail light housing costs less than the guard.

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I just installed the Rugged Ridge tail light guards. I had to find a #12-24 machine screw (the 24 is the pitch pattern). This is a hell of a hard screw to find, actually had to go to specialty fastener distributor. Finally found the #12-24 at 1" to 1 1/2" in length (has a phillip screw driver head instead of a hex head), got some #12 washers (1/4" will also work). Everything worked perfectly. JERRY is correct, the bolts also ground the tail lights, so get a good connection. All is working perfectly in my case. Oh, forgot to mention, also have a Warrior rear panel protector between the tub and tail light guard.
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As someone who bought an 02 TJ with Euros already on, I immediately started having intermittent tail light/turn signal issues. Couldn't figure out why. Then, since the euros are made of cheap steel, they were bubbling and corroding, so I went to take them off to strip/paint them...holy hell.

First, the idiot who installed them used fine threaded bolts made of aluminum. This wouldn't be a big deal, except the cheap ass steel on the euros made the sheet metal start to rust. So, when I took them out the bolts stripped the hole. Not only that, but the sheet metal all around is bubbling and needs replaced. So now I'm shelling out hundreds (if I'm lucky) to have the sheet metal cut out, replaced, painted, yadda. Just to drive it in the meantime, I bolted the rear tail assembly upside down through the rear plate screw hole. It was the only place I could get a decent ground. Good times.

btw, the previous owner also used some kind of adhesive foam "protective" barrier b/t the back of the euro and the body. All it did was trap moisture and make it worse.

^%&^%#&^% EUROS!!!! If you love your TJ, and don't want to screw any possible future owners, please don't install them. Not only that, but they are on the top ten list of lame jeep add ons.
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The words "Euro" and "Jeep" just dont go good together. Just hearing that makes me hurl.
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Old 10-17-2010, 02:22 AM   #8
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I think you all hurt his feelings.
Then perhaps I can salvage his feelings by telling you all this true story. It concerns a set of taillight guards like these:

My friend Mark has these taillight guards on his YJ; I'm pretty certain they were on it when he bought it. Anyway, on one of our local Jeeping trips many years ago (way back when I had my XJ, which was my first Jeep, so we're talking around 1999) he managed to get stuck in a stream. It would have been easy for me to strap him out if I were in front of him, but I wasn't... and due to trees and other terrain issues I couldn't go around him since he was effectively blocking the way. I had no choice but to help him from behind.

Due to his rear axle being wedged between some unseen obstacles below the water's surface, tugging him backwards was completely impossible. I tried and tried and tried, but all this managed to accomplish was for me to dig myself into the silt with each attempt. No, moving him forward was going to be our only hope. Neither one of us had a winch, so we couldn't do any of those fancy snatch block tricks you see in extreme Jeep videos.

Finally, I told him there was only one more option to try: I would have to gently push his YJ with my XJ. The thought of major body damage didn't appeal to either of us, so I used the terrain and maneuvered in a way to get my front bumper high enough to contact his spare tire which was mounted to the tailgate in the OEM manner--at least this way I wouldn't wipe out my grille and headlights. Due to the odd angle, only the left front corner of my XJ was going to contact his YJ; this wasn't as "ideal" as full-width bumper contact, but it was the only way it was going to work... so I pulled forward until contact was made, then I began to gently goose the throttle while Mark also tried to drive forward.

Our two Jeeps--essentiually joined as one vehicle--now began gently rocking forward and backward, not unlike a stuck car trying to rock itself out of a snowbank. With each forward motion, I'd try to slightly increase the throttle so as to shove his rear axle over whatever was wedging it in place. Well, just as we began rocking forward and back, the corner of my bumper (which had been contacting his spare at the three o'clock area of the sidewall) slipped off the spare tire to the right, landing square on the taillight. I didn't realize this right away, and I kept throttling it as we continued to try and get him unstuck. Just as he was about to get free, I suddenly realized I was no longer in contact with his spare tire--but it was too late, I figured, so I kept pushing him until he was out.

Once he was free and our Jeeps were seperated, I moved over to dry ground and got out to survey the damage. My plastic bumper corner cap has some slight gouges in it, which was a complete non-issue as far as I was concerned. Then, fearing the worst, I turned to look at his undoubtedly destroyed taillight.

It was completely unscathed.

Oh, sure, the two thin "inner" guards were pushed out of position a bit. But the thicker "outer" guards at the top and bottom of the taillight hadn't budged a millimeter. Thanks to them, the lens didn't have a crack or even a scratch on it. Furthermore, the sheetmetal on his tub wasn't even bent--we theorized that the solid backing of the guard had spread the force of impact over a (relatively) larger area, thus avoiding any dents. He and I were amazed.

To this day, that taillight guard--with the slightly reshaped "inner" guards--is still on his Jeep, and the lens is still virgin.
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You know, I've got tail light guards. I like them. I did not go looking for the odd ball 12-24 screws. I drilled the holes out and installed newer larger 1/4-20 bolts with lock washers and made sure it all made good contact in order to not have electrical problems. I removed the small section of wheel well to get access to the bolts so I could tighten them. I like the look.
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Originally Posted by Wdkirk01 View Post
You know, I've got tail light guards. I like them. I did not go looking for the odd ball 12-24 screws. I drilled the holes out and installed newer larger 1/4-20 bolts with lock washers and made sure it all made good contact in order to not have electrical problems. I removed the small section of wheel well to get access to the bolts so I could tighten them. I like the look.
For sure, if you are going to do it (as I have), ditch the mounting screws and get some decent stainless bolts with lock washers.
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When I bought my YJ it had these already installed...

I have never had an electrical issue and I think they do a good job at protecting your taillight from light brush and sticks and limbs. Granted if you're plowing down trees with them, then you have to expect damage, guards or not.

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