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Old 06-28-2008, 07:13 PM   #1
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Question Factory Rubicon vs build up

I'm trying to determine is I should buy an 05 - 06 with the Rubicon package or just settle with the standard setup and build it up by adding the lockers, the 4:1 transfer case and rock guards? Would the aftermarket be more costly, or is it cheaper to buy a TJ with the package?

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Old 06-28-2008, 07:14 PM   #2
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i'm gonna say buy rubi

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it depends on how extreme you want to go. But imo, a Rubi is a good platform to start from.
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i bought a standard TJ and modified it.
off the road i´m as good as a friends rubicon. there´s no difference.
with auto tranny i can´t feel any difference between the rubicon (4:1 TC with 4.10 gears) and my TJ (2.72:1 TC with 4.56 aftermarket gears).
my ARB lockers are a bit faster than his rubicon lockers.
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ba careful about used rubis. because somebody like us may have got it new just to pound it. then got bored then traded it in for a jk.
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just from numbers i'd say putting axles, lockers, gears or t case work in a tj is gonna be a lot more money than buying a good rubi. i'd agree though, beware of any jeep being abused really. especially modified ones.
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Old 06-28-2008, 09:06 PM   #7
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buy it, cause once you start spending money.....it never ends......ever.!
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i just took a look at the pcces of used normal TJs an dTJ rubicons in the US.
there´s only a small difference between them.
i would buy a TJ rubicon then.

here in germany the difference is about 50% between a TJ and a TJ rubicon. that´s why i modified a TJ.
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This could go either way, depending on how much you pay for the non-ruby jeep. But over all I would buy the rubi, it works right out of the box, add a small lift, 33's a winch and your done for a long time.
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My 2006 TJ sahara cost 22000 Euros, the rubicon would have cost 35000 euros.
With all the mods I have i spent less than buying a stock Rubicon.
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This could go either way, depending on how much you pay for the non-ruby jeep. But over all I would buy the rubi, it works right out of the box, add a small lift, 33's a winch and your done for a long time.
Thats what I was thinking. I'm seeing alot of low mile Rubicons on dealers lots as well as on eBay. The challenge is finding a good two door (05 - 06)Rubi on the unlimited wheelbase and hope it has the factory hardtop. I can find the Rubi's and the unlimiteds but together is a rare thing. From what I can tell, its about 5% or less of what was built in 05 and 06.
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If you're planing on using it as a DD and never plan to get too extreme (35's max) then buy a good used Rubicon. If you plan on really building it up and making it a trail rig then find an old YJ or CJ for cheap and build it up.
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keep your eyes peeled. depends on what exactly what youre looking to build up. you can do one of a few things;

buy a super cheap tj and spend some $ to get it where you want
buy a tj that has pretty much everthing you want on it already
buy a rubi and do whatever you had in mind.

i guess it all comes down to EXACTLY what you had in mind to build.

but if its only a matter of the 4:1 Tcase, lockers, and rock gaurds??
then a rubi is your best/cheapest option
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man I should have posted a question like this whan I was shopping.. I was just looking for a hard-top 4spd auto and a I6.. I bought an 05 x with all the options.. than I found out if I spent 1k more i would have gotten a rubi, with d44's front and rear and lockers.. with 4.10 gears and 4:1 t case.. and......... fog lights..


not that my jeep is enadequet for what I am using it for but it feels good if I want to go hardcore down the road..

IMO if you are going to buy used like I did buy a rubi.... an if your not dedicted and want to buy new than a rubi is not worth it.
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:11 PM   #15
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It's hard to decide between a rubi and a stock rig that's going to be modified. Why spend the extra cash when you're going to replace the items that you paid extra for? when I got my LJ the rubicon lj wasn't available but now that I think about it, I'd have wasted money buying the rubi for the following reasons:
-Upgraded gears, and lockers (ARB's)
-planning on getting rid of the transfer case for an atlas II
-will swap out d30 for a d60

It just depends on how extreme you want to go.
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If you have the money i wouldn't buy the rubi. to me building up a jeep or car is fun but a rubi is nice too.
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ba careful about used rubis. because somebody like us may have got it new just to pound it. then got bored then traded it in for a jk.
who from us would buy a jk?




SurfnSnow rubis dont have d44s all around?
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SurfnSnow rubis dont have d44s all around?
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lol met me correct my self, who from here would trade in a rubi for a jk?

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JK's come in Rubi's too.

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who would trade a tj for a jk?


not me i like them but not enoughf to want one.
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I've got the same amount of money in my 1967 Commando as I do with my 2005 LJ Rubicon. I bought the Rubi new from the dealer and put tires, a 9.5ti winch and 4.5" RE lift.
The Commando took a year + to build and has a 5.3 Vortec engine, SM420 with an Atlas 4.3 and Dynatrac Pro Rock 60's front and rear.
I like them both, but am incredibly amazed all the time at just how well the LJ Rubi performs on the trail and the highway. I run 33's on the rubi and it is comparable to the Commando in off road prowess with the exception of the height. The Commando has 37's and does work a bit better obviously on the extreme stuff. Man I like the comfort of the LJ though.
If Dana 44's front and rear are enough for the use you will see, go for the Rubi in my humble opinion.
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rubi's are nice if you want to have a jeep to run the good fun trails straight out of the box.

then upgrade just the stuff you need as you get more seat time wheelin on the trails. thats how I did it anyway and I have zero regrets in buying a rubicon.

I've noticed that most people who buy a non-rubicon say all they need to do is swap out the d30, d35, gears, lockers and tcase for better stuff but end up taking yearrs and years, if ever, to actually follow thru on those plans. Rubicons still require alot of upgrades to run the gnarley trails but youve got a big head start vs starting with a non-rubicon.


*that said, most of the guys I wheel with have very bad ass non-rubicon TJs that theyve built up over years
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It's hard to decide between a rubi and a stock rig that's going to be modified. Why spend the extra cash when you're going to replace the items that you paid extra for? when I got my LJ the rubicon lj wasn't available but now that I think about it, I'd have wasted money buying the rubi for the following reasons:
-Upgraded gears, and lockers (ARB's)
-planning on getting rid of the transfer case for an atlas II
-will swap out d30 for a d60

It just depends on how extreme you want to go.
now if you're gonna go to that level buying a rubi isn't a good idea, but that is more extreme than most are going. most moderate wheelers are gonna do phenominal w/ a lifted rubi.
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The beauty of the Rubicon is that you can get alot of stuff done (4:1, lockers, D44's) all done in the loan. It's much harder to come up with the cash for these items when you also have to install armor, lift, tires, coolers, etc.
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As previously posted an "out-of-the-box" rubi is a very capable ride. And as mentioned, it depends where you plan to go with it.

Back in '03 I pondered the same question. Buy a TJ with the X package or jump to the Rubi...

Basically came down to the fact that I knew at some point that I'd be swapping out the axles for larger ones, upgrading transfer cases, putting in better lockers, etc. Didn't see the reasoning about spending more to pull out most of the stuff that makes it a Rubi.

Today I'm putting in a d60/14bolt with ox and detroit on 41" Irok's. Already did a STaK 3 speed last year. If I had gone the Rubi route just about all that would still be Rubi would be the sticker on the front.

Dunno...if all you plan to ever do is mild wheeling, get the Rubi. With a standard lift and larger tires you'll be more than happy with it. If you plan on going crazy with it save a little coin and get a "lesser" model. You'll still be able to use it, but just have to give it a little more TLC to bring it up to speed.
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who from us would buy a jk?




SurfnSnow rubis dont have d44s all around?
You are correct but from what I remember the Rubi front d44 shares/has the same outers as the D30, and that holds up really well but again if you're going with large tires say 39s, then its time to go to a d60
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I'm of the school that would rather not have a Rubicon sticker on my hood. I would rather just have a TJ and build it myself as I did. Just more fun to do and then you're running something you know intimately from having selected the exact configuration you chose to fit your exact requirements and needs. Plus there's a few things about the Rubicon I don't like, primarily inside the axles where they don't use standard D44 ring gear dimensions, plus that its rear locker has developed somewhat of a reputation of not being all that bulletproof on difficult trails.

Built not bought is a tired old saying that some don't like but it fits how I feel about my home-grown TJ.
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its rear locker has developed somewhat of a reputation of not being all that bulletproof on difficult trails.
It's not just the "rear" locker that is weak. Both of them are weak. Pretty much everyone I know wheeling 37's on their Rubi lockers broke the rear locker so they put a front locker in the back. Subsequently broke that and now all are running the Mas Grande setup with an ARB, Ox, or Detroit.

And no matter what people say. If you've broken a Rubicon R&P you would've broken any D44 R&P.

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