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Old 08-20-2010, 11:35 AM   #1
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Fast off-roading

So I have been invited to some dirt tracks with a bunch of crazy VW buggy drivers.
I have been to these tracks before and there is nothing to scary beside some big pot holes, loose stones and some uneven ground.
What has me concerned is that my buddies fly down these tracks at 40 -50mph and I'm not to sure how my stock 04 rubicon will handle this.
Any advice would be great and what am I likely to break if I do decide to take the challenge? - hopefully, I don't totally the whole things.

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Old 08-20-2010, 11:46 AM   #2
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My concern would be with the Jeep being a bit more top heavy than the VW guys. Also, if they are going those types of speeds, they probably have suspensions more designed for the fast turns and bumps. I may be wrong, but I don't really think that the Jeep engineers designed the Wranglers to be high speed vehicles. I have seen wranglers go a decent speed on dry lake beds and the suck, but not doing cornering.

Edit: after re-reading your post, I was first think you were talking about a oval dirt track. You should be fine, just keep in mind that stuff does break easier at speed. Have fun with them.

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My concern would be with the Jeep being a bit more top heavy than the VW guys. Also, if they are going those types of speeds, they probably have suspensions more designed for the fast turns and bumps. I may be wrong, but I don't really think that the Jeep engineers designed the Wranglers to be high speed vehicles. I have seen wranglers go a decent speed on dry lake beds and the suck, but not doing cornering.

Edit: after re-reading your post, I was first think you were talking about a oval dirt track. You should be fine, just keep in mind that stuff does break easier at speed. Have fun with them.

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Thanks for the advice..... It is not a oval track just simple outback dirt roads which go on for miles.
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As stated, the Jeep is very top heavy compared to a buggy and the suspension on a VW is better suited to high speed offroading.
I ran buggies for years down in California and Arizona, while I can go most places with a Jeep that I went with buggies I wouldn't even try to go as fast without lengthening the wheel base, completely redesigning the suspension and putting in a much better roll cage.
Your short wheel base, poor suspension and higher center of gravity make a Jeep far more likely to flip and unlike with a buggy, you can't just roll a Jeep back over and shoot it with a can of spray paint to make it look good again.
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I've been on dirt roads/trails that had a lot of turns, bumps, lots of loose dirt, etc. (most which I have never seen the end of) I just went out to a bonfire last weekend at night near a dry lake with similar road. I was going between 30-40mph most the time and was fine. But then I have been riding on them for years in many vehicles.

Just ride... if you feel uncomfortable hitting a high speed, then slow down. There is no shame in being safe. If the guys talk crap... go climb a boulder or something and
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So I have been invited to some dirt tracks with a bunch of crazy VW buggy drivers.
Though they'll rag on you and likely make disparaging remarks about your manhood, I'd turn 'em down. Your Rubicon is far better at most offroad things but their VW buggies are set up better for the fast offroading they're inviting you to do.
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Ha ha ha! Yeah, tell them you will tag along when they go "real" offroading. :P
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Old 08-20-2010, 01:44 PM   #8
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I'd think you'd nuke shocks at minimum. If you take it slower than them, go at your own safe pace, you'll be perfectly fine. Just don't try to keep up with them. Keep in mind, you are driving something completely different.
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The Jeep and the buggies are two completely different machines. It is kind of like comparing a moped to a motocross bike. Sure it will go the distance, but is that what it is made for?
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I say sure go for it. but before you go make sure that your friends agree to trails where their buggys where not made for. That way you will be even with them and you will get a laugh watching them try to go up some rocks with those things
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Ha ha ha! Yeah, tell them you will tag along when they go "real" offroading. :P
I'd put one of my buggies or Baja bugs up against a stock Jeep in just about any offroading scenario
The only place a Jeep has an advantage is in put putting over large rocks and even that can be overcome with momentum, a couple strong backs or a winch.
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I would say take the invite...there not challenging you to race. Just go have fun, and remember your jeep is not gonna be as quick and nimble as them. Take it slow at your own pace and I dont see a problem.

I cant remember his name on here..(Rawkon maybe) He seems to be into something similar and maybe able to give you some advice.
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If nothing else,your jeep could be a recovery vehicle.I'd be willing to bet you can find stuff to play on while they are in go fast mode.
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I would say take the invite...there not challenging you to race. Just go have fun, and remember your jeep is not gonna be as quick and nimble as them. Take it slow at your own pace and I dont see a problem.
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If nothing else,your jeep could be a recovery vehicle.I'd be willing to bet you can find stuff to play on while they are in go fast mode.
B-I-N-G-O!!!!!

These two have got it right. Just cuz the buggies are tearing ass over the trails doesn't mean you have to. Have fun at your own pace, find stuff to crawl over or drive through.
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and if they are starting to go slow start playing bumper cars with them.
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and if they are starting to go slow start playing bumper cars with them.


Awesome idea!!
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Old 08-20-2010, 04:55 PM   #18
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If nothing else,your jeep could be a recovery vehicle.I'd be willing to bet you can find stuff to play on while they are in go fast mode.
Hahaha........ Funny you should say that cause they are always fixing something on their buggies.

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