Almost all of the current flat/tube fenders on the market "re-use the factory inner fenders", which means you need to use a sawzall to cut to factory outer fenders off. Then the new fenders attach to the remains of the cut-off fenders.
Here's a photo from the Smittybilt XRC fender instructions, which BTW start with the following warning: "Major modifications are required to install this product and itís recommended to be done by an experienced mechanic/installer."
And here's a photo I found from a Genright install showing the amount of the old fenders that has to be cut off:
Here's a quote I found in a write-up of a Genright install: Gen-Right calls this install at 10 hrs. It took a bit more than that maybe 12 hours total working time. It could be done in 10 hrs if you have ever done one before but trust me, it is a big job... If you have not tackled a large job like this or are afraid of taking a cutting wheel to your or your buddy's Jeep then avoid this project."
Genright also offers an inner fender kit, but it seems to be less of a "kit" than a set of raw materials, because this is what they say about it:
- This product was designed to be universal, meaning it is not pre-cut for the factory shock/spring mount. Therefore, it can be trimmed to fit your particular Jeep.
- Some trimming may be required, depending on how modified your Jeep is.
- This product was extended to close the gap between the frame and the inner fender, so if you are not running a body lift you will need to trim a little off the bottom.
I'm not writing this to criticize those products in any way, and I just chose those two as being typical of the amount of modification and work that's required to install almost all of the tube/flat fenders that are on the market, so please don't interpret this post as being a criticism of those products.
As I've said earlier in this thread, one of my main design criteria for these fiberglass flat fenders is that they be a complete bolt-on, with no modifications necessary to the Jeep - no cutting, drilling, etc. The fenders would include fiberglass inner fenders which match the Jeep factory inner fenders, so all of the engine compartment components that bolt to the inners would bolt up in the factory locations.
Here's a photo of the fiberglass inner fenders from my earlier CJ-style fender project for the TJ, these same inner fenders would be part of the flat fenders:
So my questions...
Using the same flat fender molds I've designed, it would be possible to also make these fenders without the fiberglass inner fenders so they install the same way as the other on the market - in other words, they'd require the same cutting of the factory fenders and they'd re-use the factory inners.
If these were to come to market...
1. Would it be worthwhile to offer a fiberglass "outer fender only" flat fender kit that would install with major cutting just like the other fenders on the market?
2. Have you wanted to install flat/tube fenders on your Jeep but not done it because of the amount of cutting and work required?
2. Or would people rather have the flat fenders include the factory-style inner fenders and be a complete bolt-on with no cutting or modification of the Jeep?
Since almost all of the flat-type fender kits on the market don't include inner fenders and require major cutting, I'm just wondering how worthwhile it is to have this kit include fiberglass inner fenders and be a 100% bolt-on installation or if the kit should be like all the others on the market and just include the outer fenders.