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Old 07-19-2014, 01:01 AM   #1
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First time offroading advice

Ok so this weekend I will be doing some serious offroading for the first time. I've goofed around on fire roads and whatnot but this weekend I will be going to an actual offroad park. So what do you think are some things you would have liked to have known the first time you went offroading. O and btw in your personal opinion to you prefer doors on or off.

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Old 07-19-2014, 01:05 AM   #2
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top down and get muddy just have fun! bring some tow straps

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First, go with some experienced Jeepers that you trust. Listen to your spotters even though your brain says otherwise. Air down. Slow is good. Have the appropriate armor for the conditions you're gonna encounter, oil pan, diff covers, steering box. Have fun!
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Prod the mud hole before diving in. Take a friend.
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:09 PM   #5
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Just stay out of the deeper mud/water all together….running mud holes is not wheeling' IMO.

Mud holes and water claim more rookies than all other obstacles combined.

Running mud holes is a lot like boating…it is always more fun in someone else's Jeep!
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When I went my first time I would drive alittle then stop. I would walk ahead of my caravan and pick my lines like a kayaker. I picked up a stick a few times to judge the depth of something's. Ya tow straps for sure (Walmart had one for 20$ and it tows up to 5500lbs.) but good Luck stay safe. I went doors on and top up. But next time I'm going full naked .
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1. don't go alone.
2. Have front and rear tow hooks
3. have a tow strap rated to 20k lbs with looped ends not hooks
4. have extra food and water incase it turns into a really long day.
5. Cell phone is nice to have along.
6. first aid kit

Disconnect your front sway bar makes a world of difference.

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Make sure someone in your off road party has a winch. So many times we would have left jeeps in the woods if we didn't a winch in the group.
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Here's the key information I always brief Jeepers in my wheeling groups who are new to offroading.

Air your tires down enough so it will help improve traction... which always means below 15 psi. For stock size tires, 12-13 psi is fine and it's very improbable a tire would unseat at that pressure. And your tires will survive things when aired down that would damage tires that weren't aired down enough.

Slow is usually better. Use 4Lo on difficult obstacles, I am usually in 4Lo or 2Hi. If it's a tough part of the trail where I need 4x4, I'm in 4o. Rarely are trail conditions right for 4Hi which would normally be useful for when you need to blast through a long stretch of deep sand or mud.

Most difficult obstacles are best handled by driving over it at an angle, by placing one tire up on it and then proceeding forward at an angle. Heading straight onto an obstacle doesn't work well much of the time.

The Jeep can be tipped over far more steeply without danger of it flopping over than you think it can... that is called being off-camber and what can scare a new offroader pretty badly can often be nowhere as off-camber as it feels. If it's scary off-camber. get out and look at your Jeep from the rear, odds are good that you'll see that it's not really that tipped over and your body is just not used to the feeling. With time, that feeling goes away... mostly.

Carry a way to air your tires up once you're done or be careful not to drive any faster than about 25 mph on your aired down tires until you can refill them again. Driving too fast on tires that are not inflated enough for the street will heat them up which can cause them to fail. I air up before getting back onto the pavement.

Keep your hands on the steering wheel and instruct your passenger to hang onto the sissy bar handle if you ever do tip or roll over which is highly unlikely. It is instinctual to want to reach out and stop a roll-over or tip-over which can mangle your hands or arms. Same with your legs, keep them inside if you take your doors off.

Get used to 4Lo, 4Lo is your friend when offroading on anything tougher than a smooth dirt road. 4Lo is not synchronized so it WILL grind a bit when pulling the transfer case into 4Lo. You have to be driving at a dead-slow crawl or nearly stopped to shift into 4Lo. Stop to shift out of 4Lo. You can shift into/out of 4Hi at any legal speed without stopping.

These are enough for now... did I mention to air down enough and that slower is better on the tough stuff?
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Here's the key information I always brief Jeepers in my wheeling groups who are new to offroading. Air your tires down enough so it will help improve traction... which always means below 15 psi. For stock size tires, 12-13 psi is fine and it's very improbable a tire would unseat at that pressure. And your tires will survive things when aired down that would damage tires that weren't aired down enough. Slow is usually better. Use 4Lo on difficult obstacles, I am usually in 4Lo or 2Hi. If it's a tough part of the trail where I need 4x4, I'm in 4o. Rarely are trail conditions right for 4Hi which would normally be useful for when you need to blast through a long stretch of deep sand or mud. Most difficult obstacles are best handled by driving over it at an angle, by placing one tire up on it and then proceeding forward at an angle. Heading straight onto an obstacle doesn't work well much of the time. The Jeep can be tipped over far more steeply without danger of it flopping over than you think it can... that is called being off-camber and what can scare a new offroader pretty badly can often be nowhere as off-camber as it feels. If it's scary off-camber. get out and look at your Jeep from the rear, odds are good that you'll see that it's not really that tipped over and your body is just not used to the feeling. With time, that feeling goes away... mostly. Carry a way to air your tires up once you're done or be careful not to drive any faster than about 25 mph on your aired down tires until you can refill them again. Driving too fast on tires that are not inflated enough for the street will heat them up which can cause them to fail. I air up before getting back onto the pavement. Keep your hands on the steering wheel and instruct your passenger to hang onto the sissy bar handle if you ever do tip or roll over which is highly unlikely. It is instinctual to want to reach out and stop a roll-over or tip-over which can mangle your hands or arms. Same with your legs, keep them inside if you take your doors off. Get used to 4Lo, 4Lo is your friend when offroading on anything tougher than a smooth dirt road. 4Lo is not synchronized so it WILL grind a bit when pulling the transfer case into 4Lo. You have to be driving at a dead-slow crawl or nearly stopped to shift into 4Lo. Stop to shift out of 4Lo. You can shift into/out of 4Hi at any legal speed without stopping. These are enough for now... did I mention to air down enough and that slower is better on the tough stuff?
do most gas stations tend to have air?
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do most gas stations tend to have air?
Most do but not all. And you'll need quarters for the air unless you buy gas too.
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I can't believe the above guy from California doesn't know that, in Cali., they can't charge for air in gas stations ! You can go inside, tell them you want air and they will give it to you free. It's komifornia law ! God forbide you should be responsible for your self !
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I can't believe the above guy from California doesn't know that, in Cali., they can't charge for air in gas stations ! You can go inside, tell them you want air and they will give it to you free. It's komifornia law !
I forgot they changed the law in California where service stations can no longer charge for air. Can you ever forgive me for making such a serious, egregious, and grave error as suggesting he would need quarters. Thanks for such a huge contribution to this thread by pointing that out, especially in such a diplomatic way. I haven't needed air from a gas station in 10 or 15 years.
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TAKE YOUR TIME and go slow, if it does not feel right stop and rethink your decision. If you are doing a lot of rock trails like we have in northern CA, stop and get out and take a look at what you are going over. You can always back up and take another line. Follow others and watch the line they pick, you will be surprised at the choice some people make when picking which part of the trial to go over. Some seem to pick a line and struggle, you move over 12" and its a whole different trail and you go right up w/o any trouble. If you have a spotter make sure it is someone that has some experience spotting, not just a buddy that has never been on a trail before.

Don't think you or your jeep are invincible, and don't start drinking and then think Hey lets go offroading.

Now go out there and have a blast you will meet some really nice people, most will go out of there way to help out another jeeper with advice or mechanical help. You we meet Doctors, Executives, and even plumbers like me that will offer you whatever I have in my jeep that you need to help you out. And I all I want is a " hey thanks a lot" sometimes you pay it forward.
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I can't believe the above guy from California doesn't know that, in Cali., they can't charge for air in gas stations ! You can go inside, tell them you want air and they will give it to you free. It's komifornia law ! God forbide you should be responsible for your self !
Wow. Calling out the guy that's right 99.9% of the time he posts on here for being wrong once. And calling him "the above guy".
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first time out advice is to check your ego at the entrance to the park. Like has been stated above air down and go slow and stay out of the mud unless you don't care if you never get it out. follow an experienced driver and see how they take the lines. Practice nice smooth techniques so you don't end up on a You tube video looking the fool. Have fun.
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Advise and opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one. Like Sinister said, TRUST who you take advise from. Mr Jerry B gives everyone on this form great advise and has helped many of us. Like he said 4 LO and take it slow. Be safe and have fun.
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Awesome tips guys, any other gear that one would need that wasn't mentioned here?
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I forgot they changed the law in California where service stations can no longer charge for air. ... I haven't needed air from a gas station in 10 or 15 years.
Jerry, you are suffering from OBA. Which has this unintended side effect of causing memory loss of or indifference to certain esoteric California laws governing gas stations.
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I can't believe the above guy from California doesn't know that, in Cali., they can't charge for air in gas stations ! You can go inside, tell them you want air and they will give it to you free. It's komifornia law ! God forbide you should be responsible for your self !
Jerry Bransford may be in California, but the original poster, Agranger, who asked the question may not be in California. In which case, Jerry Bransford's tip would prove beneficial.

Hopefully, Agranger's off-road experience will not be as rough as this thread.
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Jerry, you are suffering from OBA. Which has this unintended side effect of causing memory loss of or indifference to certain esoteric California laws governing gas stations.
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You can never read something like these posts and get them the way people meant them. I'm sorry if I offended. It was a meager attack on California then an attack on " that guy".Sorry. Now, to the Op, just go slow, don't do anything that will make you uncomfortable. Some spotters can make you feel like you have to do something you are not comfortable with, it's happened to me. I have seen spotters talk people into a tip over. All spotters are not created equal ! LOL ! I think repetition is what makes you comfy and makes you try harder and harder stuff without the fear of damage. Take it slow and easy to begin with, and you will naturally advance .
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Had a great time. Thanks for the advice. Will have pics later today wont let me uploaf more than one on mobile. Heres the end result.

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I can't believe the above guy from California doesn't know that, in Cali., they can't charge for air in gas stations ! You can go inside, tell them you want air and they will give it to you free. It's komifornia law ! God forbide you should be responsible for your self !
But they can, and do, charge you at the 7-11's and all the other little "convenience" places....where it's convenient to take your money....lol
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And for God's sake...Do NOT get your Jeep all muddy inside! That's just reckless and irresponsible, according to a post in the JK section! 8()
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And for God's sake...Do NOT get your Jeep all muddy inside! That's just reckless and irresponsible, according to a post in the JK section! 8()
Lol that's why they own a jk and not a tj
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Pick your lines, momentum is your friend, and watch out for high centreing, probably someone bigger went through before you and your just be hanging in the air.
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Avoid bouncing and wheel hop while pulling yourself up and over an obstacle. Sudden shock to the drive line is a good way to break things.
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Free air in Cali? For everyone?!!! I'd think Californians would have a complex sliding scale of air prices that considers your ethnic group and income. Like, you know, enter your SSN to the air pump and they contact the IRS to find out what your AGI and TXI has been for the last 3 years, then State-approved CPA's review your request for air pricing and determine that they don't know what price you should pay for air until they know if you are a veteran, political affiliation, sock color preference, and what kind of parents you had to cause you to be out driving around in a Jeep in the first place.

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