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Old 09-05-2011, 02:37 PM   #31
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I run a mile marker 12k winch on my Jeep, I originally bought it for my f350, but kept it after I sold that truck. It works great for what I use it for. I also run Smittybilt fenders, and I like them reguardless of where they were made. The price was right and they work for what I use them for. Everyone here on this forum is using either a computer, or a smart phone to post here, so we all buy stuff from other countries from time to time. I like to buy American when I can, but when it comes down to it, I'd rather have food on my table than go broke supporting someone else's table. I buy what I can afford at the time I buy it. And as long as I'm eating, and wheeling my Jeep, I'm still supporting an American, MYSELF!

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My friends new Warn ATV winch busted on it's 3rd use. When we took it apart it had plastic gears in it. I couldn't believe it. Anyone know if they are doing that in their 8,000 lb and up winches?

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My friends new Warn ATV winch busted on it's 3rd use. When we took it apart it had plastic gears in it. I couldn't believe it. Anyone know if they are doing that in their 8,000 lb and up winches?
Owwwwch! Plastic!?!
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I like to buy American when I can, but when it comes down to it, I'd rather have food on my table than go broke supporting someone else's table. I buy what I can afford at the time I buy it. And as long as I'm eating, and wheeling my Jeep, I'm still supporting an American, MYSELF!
Im not tryin to turn this into a heated debate or anything, but just let me point something out. Its this attitude that is putting Americans on unemployment. Its the same attitude corporate owners have that drives them to outsource work to a company overseas because they will make parts cheaper. While the white collar big wigs are saving money for themselves, the hard working average Joes are being put out on the street by the thousands. I dont know where you work, but if America keeps this attitude maybe your boss will decide to let your ass go because sales are being lost and some Korean dude will do your job for half the labor. "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign shit!"
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Problem is, everything is expensive. Priced new vehicles lately? Some fella over in the JK forum was happy to find a new rubi for 32k. Thirty two thousand freaking dollars. That is ref#$$-ing diculous. Houses used to sell for that much! I think there are too many things that are over priced just for the sakes of the white collar people wanting to be filthy rich. If some of these companies wanted to sell their stuff, they would take the price gun away from the retard who is making stuff so damn expensive. I give it to Warn though, they got a good deal going now on that 8k winch. Only a little more than the chinese crap.....
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Im not tryin to turn this into a heated debate or anything, but just let me point something out. Its this attitude that is putting Americans on unemployment. Its the same attitude corporate owners have that drives them to outsource work to a company overseas because they will make parts cheaper. While the white collar big wigs are saving money for themselves, the hard working average Joes are being put out on the street by the thousands. I dont know where you work, but if America keeps this attitude maybe your boss will decide to let your ass go because sales are being lost and some Korean dude will do your job for half the labor. "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign shit!"
If anyone can do my job as well as I do it for half the pay I get, I'd gladly let them do it and I'd go on and get another job. I work really hard for my money, and I feel like I EARN what I make. I don't ask for handouts, and I won't hand out my money to anyone just because they're here in America, I buy what I buy based on value, not where it was manufactured. Don't preach to me, preach to your congressman and ask them to increase the import taxes on goods made outside of America so that American companies can compete, then complain to your boss about why you need more money to support your family because all of a sudden everything you need to buy costs 3 times as much money and you need a raise... if everything is equal across the board, cost, quality, etc, and the only difference is made in the USA or made abroad, then I will buy USA made 100% of the time, but if the price difference is several hundred bucks, then I'm going to buy the cheaper one. More money in MY pocket supports the US Citizen I care about the most, MYSELF...
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I realize that a lot of things are wayyy overpriced these days, but theres really nothing we can do to change that. Im just sayin I would rather spend a little extra on something from a US company, knowing that the money will re-circulate into our economy, not China's! And as you said, if you lose your job you'll just find another one... sure that works... until theyre all f***ing gone
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I realize that a lot of things are wayyy overpriced these days, but theres really nothing we can do to change that. Im just sayin I would rather spend a little extra on something from a US company, knowing that the money will re-circulate into our economy, not China's!
Which our economy is only surviving because off all the money we are borrowing from china :bangingheadwithbfh:
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Problem is, everything is expensive. Priced new vehicles lately? Some fella over in the JK forum was happy to find a new rubi for 32k. Thirty two thousand freaking dollars. That is ref#$$-ing diculous. Houses used to sell for that much! I think there are too many things that are over priced just for the sakes of the white collar people wanting to be filthy rich. If some of these companies wanted to sell their stuff, they would take the price gun away from the retard who is making stuff so damn expensive. I give it to Warn though, they got a good deal going now on that 8k winch. Only a little more than the chinese crap.....
Exactly. It's a never ending chain. Cheap Chinese products keep getting cheaper and American made can't compete with prices. So, in turn, American companies go out of business or raise prices to fight to stay in business. We can't pay for American made products all the time because, to most, money is an issue. I'd love to buy all American made products, but for one, it's usually too expensive, and for two, there's not that many American made things out there anymore. Sure, there may be a lot of American made Jeep accessories, but in the bigger picture, what used to be good American companies, get bought out and have their products outsourced for maximum profits. There really isn't much you can do about it. Sure, American made is good, but many, many things you use in everyday life, are simply not made in America. And that's the end of it. You can't buy things that don't exist and you can't buy American for the simple fact of it, and drive yourself into bankruptcy.
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Youre exactly right 'NCJeepin' its a really screwed up situation, and I know I dont have all the answers, but something needs to be done. The problem isnt gonna fix itself. Its only gonna get worse if we keep going the way we have been.
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The worst part about trade with china is when they sell goods here it's an import tax of 2% when we sell a buick there it's 24% . So not only do they export cheaper keeping costs lower but the chinese government is able to use the moneys collected on the goods we export to subsidize a lower cost of living and allowing for lower wages.
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i am thinking about buying a winch but i dont know which winches are good and which are bad. i would like to find a good winch for a decent price.

i was thinking about getting this one: Warn 86245 - WARN VR8000 Winch - Quadratec
Let's bring this thread back around to the original topic, I think the posted link is a pretty good deal for a pretty good winch. Has anyone got a better price for this winch somewhere else? Or has anyone got a better winch for the same price?
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Let's bring this thread back around to the original topic, I think the posted link is a pretty good deal for a pretty good winch. Has anyone got a better price for this winch somewhere else? Or has anyone got a better winch for the same price?
The easiest way to find the cheapest online price for anything is via Google's shopping site at Google Product Search

Key in the brand name, part number, and then sort it based on lowest price first. I always give it a mininum price to look for so it only shows what you're looking for and doesn't also show you low-cost replacment parts, winch cables, etc. for the winch part number you look up.
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If anyone can do my job as well as I do it for half the pay I get, I'd gladly let them do it and I'd go on and get another job. I work really hard for my money, and I feel like I EARN what I make. I don't ask for handouts, and I won't hand out my money to anyone just because they're here in America, I buy what I buy based on value, not where it was manufactured. Don't preach to me, preach to your congressman and ask them to increase the import taxes on goods made outside of America so that American companies can compete, then complain to your boss about why you need more money to support your family because all of a sudden everything you need to buy costs 3 times as much money and you need a raise... if everything is equal across the board, cost, quality, etc, and the only difference is made in the USA or made abroad, then I will buy USA made 100% of the time, but if the price difference is several hundred bucks, then I'm going to buy the cheaper one. More money in MY pocket supports the US Citizen I care about the most, MYSELF...
Hate to tell you this bub...but EVERYONE feels like they earn their paycheck. You ain't special

I have a problem with this attitude: "I buy what I buy based on value"

Translated: "I buy the cheapest thing that will get me by."

Fine attitude...but for me, I'd rather live with what I have, and upgrade to something of high quality when I can. I don't care where its manufactured, so long as the quality is high. Guess what...that attitude doesn't take me to China very often. Computer motherboards? A NEED based purchase (for my work)? Not much choice...its hard to find anything not made in China. Jeep accessories? A PURE "want" based purchase? I can buy high quality American time and time and time and time again...may take me awhile longer, but given I don't NEED that stuff...I can wait.

Your money, do what you want. The fact is the "issue" here is standard of living - so long as there are places in the world with low standards of living, we're going to outsource work there. And so long as people feel like luxuries are "necessities" they'll continue buying cheap crap so they can have as much as the next guy. Eventually, the world will balance out...we're going to experience some serious stagnation here though.
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Im not tryin to turn this into a heated debate or anything, but just let me point something out. Its this attitude that is putting Americans on unemployment. Its the same attitude corporate owners have that drives them to outsource work to a company overseas because they will make parts cheaper. While the white collar big wigs are saving money for themselves, the hard working average Joes are being put out on the street by the thousands. I dont know where you work, but if America keeps this attitude maybe your boss will decide to let your ass go because sales are being lost and some Korean dude will do your job for half the labor. "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign shit!"
Lol, everything in this post says I wanna heated debate. Guessing you don't own anything foreign? Or anything made in America with foreign parts? TV, computer, phone, etc? Wanna take money off those American's tables that sell or assemble affordable foreign products? Why does cheap mean made cheap? If those big American companies that are mostly owned by foreigners would quit padding their pockets so much, you would see that they could sell their products at or around the same price as their foreign counterparts. Wait, they can't do that because that would automatically mean they are cheap peices of crap. Don't be pissed at the people that can't afford to buy American because the Americans are too greedy to drop their prices. Oh, and don't get me started on the UAW. Americans putting their own companies out of business because they can't work for less than 40+ bucks an hour watching a machine assemble cars.
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I run a mile marker 12k winch on my Jeep, I originally bought it for my f350, but kept it after I sold that truck. It works great for what I use it for. I also run Smittybilt fenders, and I like them reguardless of where they were made. The price was right and they work for what I use them for. Everyone here on this forum is using either a computer, or a smart phone to post here, so we all buy stuff from other countries from time to time. I like to buy American when I can, but when it comes down to it, I'd rather have food on my table than go broke supporting someone else's table. I buy what I can afford at the time I buy it. And as long as I'm eating, and wheeling my Jeep, I'm still supporting an American, MYSELF!
+1 I couldn't have said it better my self.
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i am thinking about buying a winch but i dont know which winches are good and which are bad. i would like to find a good winch for a decent price.

i was thinking about getting this one: Warn 86245 - WARN VR8000 Winch - Quadratec
Anyone know what the difference is in this winch compared to the Engo 9K winch being sold on here for $289 shipped?
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The easiest way to find the cheapest online price for anything is via Google's shopping site at Google Product Search

Key in the brand name, part number, and then sort it based on lowest price first. I always give it a mininum price to look for so it only shows what you're looking for and doesn't also show you low-cost replacment parts, winch cables, etc. for the winch part number you look up.
I use the above mentioned everytime I shop for parts I also like Amazon as well. I don't do the Ebay thing, but I know many people that do and have good luck with it.
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well ive used my smittybuilt a few times now and it has worked great. i just got my rear tires stuck about half way deep in some mud this weekend at lake isabella and it pulled me right on out with no problems.

side note: apparently a lot of people get stuck around lake isabella, so there this dude in a dodge who patrols the lake and pulls people out... for $150 bucks each. thats almost as much as my winch! lol
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Hate to tell you this bub...but EVERYONE feels like they earn their paycheck. You ain't special

I have a problem with this attitude: "I buy what I buy based on value"

Translated: "I buy the cheapest thing that will get me by."

Fine attitude...but for me, I'd rather live with what I have, and upgrade to something of high quality when I can. I don't care where its manufactured, so long as the quality is high. Guess what...that attitude doesn't take me to China very often. Computer motherboards? A NEED based purchase (for my work)? Not much choice...its hard to find anything not made in China. Jeep accessories? A PURE "want" based purchase? I can buy high quality American time and time and time and time again...may take me awhile longer, but given I don't NEED that stuff...I can wait.

Your money, do what you want. The fact is the "issue" here is standard of living - so long as there are places in the world with low standards of living, we're going to outsource work there. And so long as people feel like luxuries are "necessities" they'll continue buying cheap crap so they can have as much as the next guy. Eventually, the world will balance out...we're going to experience some serious stagnation here though.
If you can do my job better than I can do it then you can have my paycheck. I know what my skill set is, I know what I can and cannot do, and I do my job as well as I can do it. Take my job away from me today, and tomorrow I'll be out digging ditches, or cleaning sewage tanks, or framing houses, or pulling cable... I'm not ashamed to get up early and stand in line at a temporary worker office and work for the minimum wages that they offer, I've done it before, and if I need to I'll do it again. I own 2 Jeeps, one is my daily driver, and the other is my trail rig, I pay for each and every part that goes onto either of them from the money I earn from my weekly wages. Telling a Jeep guy that an upgrade part is a want and not a need, while it may be true, isn't a good way to make friends here Bub... To us Jeepers, a part that makes our Jeep work better off road is a need and not a want. Nice to meet you, but if you feel the need to bicker over politics or where stuff is made vs price, please PM me and we can continue in private.
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Anyone know what the difference is in this winch compared to the Engo 9K winch being sold on here for $289 shipped?
The Engo appears to be a winch that works well through many different conditions, I never heard of them until I read the Winch comparison though, and since they're the new guys on the block, there really isn't much information on them, or their warranty, or customer service yet. What would happen if you got a steal of a price now, but a year later it failed on you and the company didn't exist anymore?
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WARN M8000 for $539 with free shipping.

Amazon.com: WARN 26502 M8000 8000-lb Winch: Automotive
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I think it all boils down to this...

If you rarely offroad and don't plan to do trails where winching is a common thing, one of the Chinese winches will probably be ok. I don't LIKE Chinese winches and hate sending $$$ to China but....

But if you are an ardent offroader, do trails that winches are commonly needed on, and you place yourself on trails where a winch's assistance can be expected to be needed, I think you'd be smart to stick with a good quality American made winch like Warn or Ramsey and a fool to buy a cheap Chinese import.
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If you can do my job better than I can do it then you can have my paycheck. I know what my skill set is, I know what I can and cannot do, and I do my job as well as I can do it. Take my job away from me today, and tomorrow I'll be out digging ditches, or cleaning sewage tanks, or framing houses, or pulling cable... I'm not ashamed to get up early and stand in line at a temporary worker office and work for the minimum wages that they offer, I've done it before, and if I need to I'll do it again. I own 2 Jeeps, one is my daily driver, and the other is my trail rig, I pay for each and every part that goes onto either of them from the money I earn from my weekly wages. Telling a Jeep guy that an upgrade part is a want and not a need, while it may be true, isn't a good way to make friends here Bub... To us Jeepers, a part that makes our Jeep work better off road is a need and not a want. Nice to meet you, but if you feel the need to bicker over politics or where stuff is made vs price, please PM me and we can continue in private.
Not sure why you think that was the start of something...I said my piece. The only rebuttal I'd have anyway would just be repeating myself...

As for your "how to make friends" advice, worry about yourself newbie Anyway, joking aside, I highly doubt you'll find many here who would actually choose their Jeep over their family. A few may joke about it, but most realize there are far more important things in the world...
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Someone feel free to correct me if I'm reading the specs wrong...but seems like the M8000 is a hell of a lot faster for not a lot more money:

Amazon.com: WARN 26502 M8000 8000-lb Winch: Automotive

Still...as a Warn, it has a heck of a reputation for quality behind it. Love my M8000.
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Just do like me, go to offroad events that support our sport and enter the raffles. I have had two winches in the past and have used them all but twice. I have ran Calico, Big Bear, Johnson Valley, Moab, etc. but both times I have used them was to help someone else of a high center situation.
I am debating now whether to buy a cheap winch just to have one, but based on my past usage I will not be spending big bucks on one, American or Chinese made. As a matter of fact I just missed on posted this morning on Craigslist for $100, Warn 8000#.
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I won one of Milemarker's American-made 2-speed 10,500 lb. hydraulic winches years ago at a 4x4 event's raffle. That sucker was so heavy I nearly had to drag it back to my campsite. I sold it in favor of keeping my Warn electric but that just goes to show you that Xjman's suggestion can work. Heck I won stuff at nearly all my first first five year's worth of 4x4 event raffles including my Powertrax No-Slip locker.

That said, I don't think I've won ANYthing at the various 4x4 event's raffles in the past 10 years. Too many people now buying $250-$500 worth of raffle tickets win most of the booty which ruins it for the rest of us.
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well ive used my smittybuilt a few times now and it has worked great. i just got my rear tires stuck about half way deep in some mud this weekend at lake isabella and it pulled me right on out with no problems.

side note: apparently a lot of people get stuck around lake isabella, so there this dude in a dodge who patrols the lake and pulls people out... for $150 bucks each. thats almost as much as my winch! lol
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