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Old 08-16-2007, 10:23 PM   #1
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fog lights

I need (want) 2 on the rear bumper and 2 on the windshield. I could use some links to what anyone would recommends. Need a wiring kit for them as well. Anything is appreciated..

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Old 08-16-2007, 10:48 PM   #2
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Any decent set of lights(ones sold in pairs) should come with their own wiring harness.

I have long range lights on my windshield. If you put fogs on the windshield your gonna get all kinds of glare off the hood. Fogs are best for down on the front bumper.

The lights that I have are KC Daylighters #238. Very bright long range lights.

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Old 08-17-2007, 05:43 AM   #3
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I agree with Az. If you want fogs for bad weather, keep them on the front bumper. You will get too much glare off the hood with a windshield mount and fogs. I just purchased KC replacement fogs for the bumper myself. Look into IPF, HELLA, PIAA, KC, or LightForce long range, or driving lights, for the windshield. Most wil l come with harness/switch. For the rear, any lights will work. I would go to walmart and get a $20 set, but thats just me.
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Old 08-17-2007, 07:05 AM   #4
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Just make sure whatever lights you buy for the rear use a relay and put the fuse as close to the powersource as possible, in other words up near the battery.
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Personally:

Fog on the bumper only - better use and more effective
Driving lights/pencil beams - on stinger or windshield

Fogs on rear.

I have $20.00 O'Reilly's on back of mine and they work great. I threw away the stock harness for the back. NO wiring harness will be long enough to run the lights from the back, especially if you mount them on the tire carrier like I did. I bought the wire, a relay, a couple of fuses, some wire loom and used a switch I had and wired it myself. Much higher gauge than what comes in the packaging and I have it cut to fit my Jeep perfectly.

I have the relay in the back of the TJ. The fuse for it and the switch are within 2' of the battery.
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:43 AM   #6
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Anytime you mount lights high you are lighting up all particles ie; snow, rain dust and yes even mayflies when they hatch that are going to look like they are the size of blackbirds. The lower the light mount (within reason) the less you light up the foriegn debris that is right in front of your windshield which will limit your sight distance. To see what I mean take a spotlight and hold it up about eye level in some fog. Check out the distance you can see. Then have someone hold it lower and watch how much better you can see.
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But are the windshield mounted lights good for seeing in areas there is no light? Not talking about snow or fog.
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:24 PM   #8
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The ones you mount on the windshield can tend to light the hood up and cause glare. I have a couple of hand held magnetic spot lights that throw a sideways figure 8 type beam that work well and I have put them on the roof of my XJ a couple of times just to see what they could do.
If I had a spare pair of say Hella 500 fogs I would try reversing the lenses. The normal fogs have a sharp cutoff in the upper area and throw light down low, reversing the lenses would put that cutoff on the bottom and light up the top, how much I have no idea but it might be something to try if you are going to put 500 fogs on the bumper, try them up top and see what happens.
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I reading about a lot of glare on the hood. Are those comments specific to somebody using fogs on the w/s hinges? Will you get the same hood glare from a long range lamp? I wouldn't think so but have not seen any in person.
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I have some cheep 55W lights on the wndshld hinges I like them there is a glare off the hood but not bad enough to make me want to take them off. but soon (read the end of the year or beginning of next) they will get some 6"-7"KC's on them. I figure I'm gonna be using them for alot of up close things and some distance but thats why you adjust them to your personal driving style.

oh one more thing the hinge brackets are about 27 bucks on amazon.com
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Are those comments specific to somebody using fogs on the w/s hinges?
Yes, because fog lights are built with a lower beam pattern(angled down). And driving lights shoot straight out.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:30 PM   #13
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Even the driving lights have a large amount of glare, I have two sets of CIBIE super oscars that will almost burn a hole in a wall. I had them on a dodge van and they were very good for my night driving from the sub base in Groton to where I lived in NJ on weekends, when I was headed backup at 0400 on a monday morning.
If you look at a lot of the roof mounted lights on rally cars you will see that they have reversed bills underneath them. This was why I was thinking about using fogs and inverting the lens housing, this would put the typical fog light top cutoff on the bottom and put more light out straight and to the upper side of the lens. It may not have the long range of dedicated driving light lenses but it should light up a bit more.
If you want a very good improvement to start go pickup a set of Hella/CIBIE/IPF E-Code headlights and a good set of white [not blue] H4 bulbs, that will double what the stock lights will light up. They are replacement housings and it's just like changing a headlight, clean the sockets on the plugs first with a burnishing tool and put dielectric grease on them to increase their life a bit.
I have CIBIE's in my TJ and Hellas in my XJ, would not consider anything else besides E codes.

Driving lights are not a high priority item for me, living here in the North East it's even rare that I get to use my high beams let alone a set of driving lights.
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So are the windshield lights worth getting or not?
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So are the windshield lights worth getting or not?
I think they are somewhat worthwhile for off road though you might tend to tick off your spotter some. I think that long range lights are dependent on where you drive. Like I said, I very rarely get to use even my high beams around here but my fogs are used constantly, we get a lot of ground fog here in the pocono's. If you are looking for improved nite driving, go with a E codes, if you want coolness factor then go with the windshield lights. Tdad has a TJ for sale in the sale section, he's got Hella 500's up there, I bet those covers have not come off those lights in the 5 years I've known him though he might have used them on one or two of our nite runs at paragon which is why ticking off the spotter comes to mind
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Well I'm in the desert (see my Jeep video), and what I need is more light at night. There is nothing out there, and even with high beams I can't see as far out as I need to.
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Well I'm in the desert (see my Jeep video), and what I need is more light at night. There is nothing out there, and even with high beams I can't see as far out as I need to.
After driving from san antonio to del rio to do service calls on a regular basis at an Air force base out there I think I'd look into at least 4 lights, two for long range down on the front bumper, big ones and two more big flood lights on the mirror mounts that point off at maybe 10 or 15 degrees to peg those thousands of red eyes attached to those deer I'd see at nite driving back to SA.
If you want really long range then I'd suggest you look at the CIBIE super oscars, check them out here
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/p.../products.html and scroll down the page to the 200 series, be advised they are BIG.
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http://www.cibieusa.com/super_oscar.htm

And they are bright, I mesed up at a NJ inspection station and when they pulled out the light alignment rack I had them turned on and slaved to the high beam headlights, when they had me turn on my highs the super oscars came on and pegged the meters, they did not come back down and I failed inspection. I'd have to pull the bulbs but I seem to remember they have 200watt bulbs.
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They look like normal lights, expensive though. How BIG are they?
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They look like normal lights, expensive though. How BIG are they?
About 10" 12" with the bolt.
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DAMN! Those aren't BIG, they're ginormas!
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i had KC daylighters on my windshield and a couple on a KC light bar on my front bumper, then on the ends of my front bumper i had 55 watt hellas

the KCs were 100 watts by the way

i would show you of picture, but i cant get photobucket to load for some reason...just believe me when i say they were bright as hell..lol

i just have to throw this little story in here:

one night i was on a back country road and a pick up was coming my way...well my dims were on, but he flashed me anyways for some reason...so i flashed back...then he turned his brights on continuously to piss me off i guess...but what he couldnt see before he started that war were all my other lights..lol...so i flipped on all 4 100 watt KCs and my hellas...

needless to say, he turned his dims back on real fast
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DAMN! Those aren't BIG, they're ginormas!
Yea, but they also light about 2 miles on flat terrain. When I put them on my dodge van I also added CIBIE E code lights and a 240amp alternator. They do actually work super well.
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heres a nice clear day shot of the fogs i had on mine



then here it is as a monster truck jam my club helped out with...its the only one in the line up the is blinding..lol


then a good night shot
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now drummer, with all those lights on, what does the voltage meter read on the dash? i've been wondering how the stock alternator holds up to added on lights?
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now drummer, with all those lights on, what does the voltage meter read on the dash? i've been wondering how the stock alternator holds up to added on lights?
That is a nice setup but I'll say again for the north east it's very rare you even get to use your high beams for more than a minute or two at a time. A good set of fogs with good side lighting is much more use full and giving on coming drivers a sunburn

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