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Old 09-19-2012, 10:12 PM   #1
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Found out why my factory sub sucks... suggestions for a new one?



I went to polyfil the roll bar speakers and center console sub today and I found the factory sub torn around the entire outside edge. So now I'm looking for a replacement that will hold up a little better. So what are my options? I'm looking for stealth setups here, a box in the back takes up too much space, is easy to steal, and even easier for my dog to drool on.

Some ideas I've had:
-Get a decent replacement and use the factory amp. Speaker suggestions?
-Get a better replacement and power it with my already existing 1000 watt amp (gain turned down, of course).
-Custom fab a box to fit a shallow mount 8", maybe 10" sub inside the center console and use my current amp.
-Post to wranglerforum for more ideas.

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im also curious about a stealth ish setup.

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I went to polyfil the roll bar speakers and center console sub today and I found the factory sub torn around the entire outside edge. So now I'm looking for a replacement that will hold up a little better. So what are my options? I'm looking for stealth setups here, a box in the back takes up too much space, is easy to steal, and even easier for my dog to drool on.

Some ideas I've had:
-Get a decent replacement and use the factory amp. Speaker suggestions?
-Get a better replacement and power it with my already existing 1000 watt amp (gain turned down, of course).
-Custom fab a box to fit a shallow mount 8", maybe 10" sub inside the center console and use my current amp.
-Post to wranglerforum for more ideas.
You could put one small 8 in the back, or a 6.5 or 8 in the console. Other than that space is lost pretty bad. I had 2 8's and said screw it and put in two 10's. I gave the full audio spectrum to match those 10's and man does it sound good.

Either way IMO you have to come to terms with the fact that for a decent speaker you'll lose space
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You could put one small 8 in the back, or a 6.5 or 8 in the console. Other than that space is lost pretty bad. I had 2 8's and said screw it and put in two 10's. I gave the full audio spectrum to match those 10's and man does it sound good.

Either way IMO you have to come to terms with the fact that for a decent speaker you'll lose space
I'm less concerned about losing space than I am losing equipment to thieves. That said, I'm looking for a clean install that fits in the center console or is otherwise out of sight, not the best sounding setup in a jeep. I used to run a 2x12" system in my car that pushed 140 db, I'm always at the gun range now, frankly, my ears could use a break! lol

I'm leaning towards a kicker 6.5" speaker to go in the factory sub enclosure. Anybody use that setup?
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:33 AM   #5
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SFG, I went through a similar dillemma not too long ago. You're one step ahead of where I was, giving you one additional option.

Kits are made to replace the foam around the outside of the cone. Apparently it's about $20 or less, and can be done by almost anyone.

My speaker was completely non-functional (though the foam was intact). I replaced with a Quadratec direct replacement. Sound is MUCH improved. Note that I had previously replaced the factory head unit with a half-decent Sony model.

I used to do car audio as a semi-pro hobby. I wanted mostly the same thing you did - not wasting space and keeping the stock look. It's possible, though VERY tough, to put a larger sub in the space between the front seat. An 8" sub isn't much of an improvement (even a good one) unless you have a really good enclosure, which is highly unlikely to fit in that space. A 10" would be a great improvement, but to have enough cubic inches in the cabinet, you'd lose at least your front cup holders, maybe the back too, in addition to the limited space in the center console.

The only thing I should have looked more into, I think, is the shallow-mount sub that attaches to the tailgate. Didn't really give it much consideration. That said, I'm fairly happy with the current setup. Makes my Jeep like a nice rolling boombox, especially with the Bluetooth...I can control the music from the comfort of my beach chair.
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I have a 600watt amp in the instatrunk in the rear and a kicker 6.5" in the center console when my hard top is on I put in a small ported 6" in the back and that helps a lot too
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I would just buy the Pyramid WX65X for $15 bucks off Amazon and call it a day. That's what I did after mine went out.

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I would just buy the Pyramid WX65X for $15 bucks off Amazon and call it a day. That's what I did after mine went out.

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I blew my first one after a few months and my second one a few weeks after that. Kicker 6.5 has been going strong for a while now with lots of hard use
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I'm always at the gun range now, frankly, my ears could use a break! lol

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I'm leaning towards a kicker 6.5" speaker to go in the factory sub enclosure. Anybody use that setup?

I just did the 10CVT652. The OEM "sub" never worked so I can't compare the two but for ~$70 I am totally satisfied. Obviously it's not going to rattle the license plate but then again I am not into that kind of "music". It fills in that missing part of the sound spectrum nicely and sound will only get better when the stock amp is trashed in favor of a suitable replacement. Next up ... replace the rest of the stock junk!
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I've debated over and over about putting an amp and sub in my Jeep since I've had it, but just can't make myself do it. Just doesn't seem right having some "rolling boombox"

I simply put 4 good, new speakers in each spot and get plenty of sound from the Pioneer tuner. Banging your head in a Jeep just does not sound right to me! Now, if you're banging your head off the roof from the crap you're climbing over, THAT'S how you do that, in a Jeep!!
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I'm an audio nut but never used the back anyways. Now my box is in the back

wouldn't have it any other way. SQ is spot on.
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got the plug and play replacement off of quadratec a couple month ago. sound is good and the install was pretty straight forward.
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I've heard nothing but good reviews on the kicker 6.5" sub, so I'm going to go with that. Where's a good place to get one? I've looked at crutchfield and I'm not sure which speaker everyone is talking about.

Now let's talk amp placement. The 1000 watt I have is about 10" x 10" x 2", I'm guessing that rules out putting it behind the dash under the steering column like I've seen some do on here. I'm not opposed to buying new, that would just mean I'd have to use the factory amp for a while until I find the money.
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I've heard nothing but good reviews on the kicker 6.5" sub, so I'm going to go with that. Where's a good place to get one? I've looked at crutchfield and I'm not sure which speaker everyone is talking about.

I bought from Amazon for ~$70 shipped but I don't see the listing anymore. $68 shipped on Ebay: 10CVT652. 10CVT652 (6.5" 2 ohm) is the model number I used. There is also a 1 ohm and 4 ohm model.
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I replaced mine with the Kicker 6.5Inch Shallow Mount about 3 weeks ago. Was $77 on Amazon. Sounds great! You only have to keep two things in mind...

1. It isn't dual voice coil . So you lose some of the mids and highs and get strictly bass out of it. But it thumps when you want it. Or is nice and subtle when you don't

2. It says "shallow" mount, but I still had to remove a good bit of plastic (that support the OEM sub) from the inside of the console to get it to sit flush in the hole. Nothing a Dremmel and some pliers couldn't take of. =)
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I replaced mine with the Kicker 6.5Inch Shallow Mount about 3 weeks ago. Was $77 on Amazon. Sounds great! You only have to keep two things in mind...

1. It isn't dual voice coil . So you lose some of the mids and highs and get strictly bass out of <snip>
Dual voice coil doesn't refer to frequency range - it refers to having two coils attached to the same cone. It's used so that both the left and right signals can be fed to one speaker. Not usually an issue with bass, depending on what you're listening to.
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I crammed a 6W3 in a modified stock box and powered it with 150rms off my jl amp.
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I replaced mine with the Kicker 6.5Inch Shallow Mount about 3 weeks ago. Was $77 on Amazon. Sounds great! You only have to keep two things in mind...

1. It isn't dual voice coil . So you lose some of the mids and highs and get strictly bass out of it. But it thumps when you want it. Or is nice and subtle when you don't

2. It says "shallow" mount, but I still had to remove a good bit of plastic (that support the OEM sub) from the inside of the console to get it to sit flush in the hole. Nothing a Dremmel and some pliers couldn't take of. =)
Go Google voice coils.....

People these days -_-
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Go Google voice coils.....

People these days -_-
My fault. I is just ignorant.

I misread it somewhere.

(Still sounds better then Stock)
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I would personally shy away from re-coning the speaker. That is a whollleeee lot of trouble for a result that might not stand up to your expectations or abuse.

We did alot of re-coning back in school and they never lasted as long as just getting a whole new unit. Worth the extra $$$ also bigger is better 6.5" isn't that big when it comes to pushing low frequencies.

Remount a better quality version of stock. Or do some mods to the box and stuff a bigger one in there!!!
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I would personally shy away from re-coning the speaker. That is a whollleeee lot of trouble for a result that might not stand up to your expectations or abuse.

We did alot of re-coning back in school and they never lasted as long as just getting a whole new unit. Worth the extra $$$ also bigger is better 6.5" isn't that big when it comes to pushing low frequencies.

Remount a better quality version of stock. Or do some mods to the box and stuff a bigger one in there!!!
Bigger is not always better. In fact anything over a 12 is just unresponive and power thirsty.

10" subs are the perfect surface area, they hit lows fabulously in the right box and they aren't too hard to power.
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Bigger is not always better. In fact anything over a 12 is just unresponive and power thirsty.

10" subs are the perfect surface area, they hit lows fabulously in the right box and they aren't too hard to power.
X2!! If you're doing live PA, 15+ has its place. Not in a motor vehicle...and even 12" is pushing it. Too sloppy.
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Bigger is not always better. In fact anything over a 12 is just unresponive and power thirsty.
+1. There are some killer 12s. My friend has a 12W7, its nuts, but not as nuts as the RE XXX
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I've heard nothing but good reviews on the kicker 6.5" sub, so I'm going to go with that. Where's a good place to get one? I've looked at crutchfield and I'm not sure which speaker everyone is talking about.

Now let's talk amp placement. The 1000 watt I have is about 10" x 10" x 2", I'm guessing that rules out putting it behind the dash under the steering column like I've seen some do on here. I'm not opposed to buying new, that would just mean I'd have to use the factory amp for a while until I find the money.

I have it with a dx500.1(turned way down) and it sounds great. just remember it's a 6.5in sub and you won't be disappointed.
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I have 2 - 10" siny explodes with. 150 watt amp at a 2 ohm load un my 04 tj in a box in the trunk, with the top down or up and have no problem with the bass sounds awesome, and still i wont win any sound-offs but for me its great! And it cost me 275 bux!
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X2!! If you're doing live PA, 15+ has its place. Not in a motor vehicle...and even 12" is pushing it. Too sloppy.
I agree completely!!!!!
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I went to polyfil the roll bar speakers and center console sub today and I found the factory sub torn around the entire outside edge. So now I'm looking for a replacement that will hold up a little better. So what are my options? I'm looking for stealth setups here, a box in the back takes up too much space, is easy to steal, and even easier for my dog to drool on.

Some ideas I've had:
-Get a decent replacement and use the factory amp. Speaker suggestions?
-Get a better replacement and power it with my already existing 1000 watt amp (gain turned down, of course).
-Custom fab a box to fit a shallow mount 8", maybe 10" sub inside the center console and use my current amp.
-Post to wranglerforum for more ideas.

i had same problem, just bought glue in spray and sprayed all over, it works few days, i wonder how long it lasts...
before spraying be sure that diaphragm is centered and moving in/out without touching speaker frame(we dont want distorted sound)
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I went with the shallow mount kicker 6.5". I'm mating it with my amp with the gain turned down. It's better than stock, but it's still a 6.5" speaker. Most people would be satisfied with it though.
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I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler TJ and can't find the stock sub location. Anyone want to give me a little help in a better area where to look or even if there actually is one in my Jeep?
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I have a 2000 Jeep Wrangler TJ and can't find the stock sub location. Anyone want to give me a little help in a better area where to look or even if there actually is one in my Jeep?

Look at the driver's side of the center console:


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