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Old 02-01-2014, 09:52 AM   #1
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Full Traction Suspension Lift

Hello all! I traded my '05 LJ for a different '05 LJ, the latter being already equipped with a lift from Full Traction Suspension. Is there a way to tell if it was a 3" or a 4"? The dealer said 3", but it feels taller, and if I could get 33" tires on it, I would. Any advice would be welcomed. Thanks!

P.S. She is sporting 31x10.5R15's now....
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Old 02-01-2014, 05:55 PM   #2
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FT's 4" kits come with a drop pitman, a drop trackbar bracket with cross brace stiffener. It also includes control arms.

The 3" kit does not have those items.

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Old 02-01-2014, 06:58 PM   #3
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Thanks! It must be a 3" then, because the factory control arms are still there. It threw me off that they put vertical spacers in to drop the transfer case skid plate.... I didn't think that would be necessary with just a 3" lift.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:20 PM   #4
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What size tires are on her now? That set up looks nice. I'm installing the 3"zone sl this week and a
M running my 31's on it until they are dead lol
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:10 PM   #6
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I have 31's on it now, and love them. I have thought about going bigger, but if I do it will be AFTER these die! Right now, with the 3.73 gears, I wouldn't go any bigger, lest she feel bogged down. When these tires are gone, maybe I will re-gear to 4:10 and go with 33's......
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:21 PM   #7
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I have 31's on it now, and love them. I have thought about going bigger, but if I do it will be AFTER these die! Right now, with the 3.73 gears, I wouldn't go any bigger, lest she feel bogged down. When these tires are gone, maybe I will re-gear to 4:10 and go with 33's......
Yeah from the looks of it, the gap looks good with 31's size doesn't look bad... every guy loves a good gap lol
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Old 02-13-2014, 05:50 PM   #8
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Yeah, it is always important to Mind the Gap!
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:04 PM   #9
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yeah, it is always important to mind the gap!
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:15 PM   #12
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You asked for advice, replace your springs when you can
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:59 PM   #13
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Ok thanks.... What is wrong with what is on there that they need replacing?
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Old 02-15-2014, 04:43 AM   #14
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They sag in the rear pretty bad. Most of my friends and a lot of people here have had that issue.
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You asked for advice, replace your springs when you can
X2. My front Full Traction coils sagged nearly 2".
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RE springs seem to be one of the better springs out there. I know someone will have something to say about that.
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Old 02-15-2014, 04:56 PM   #17
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Ok thanks! Any suggestions on replacements?
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Old 02-15-2014, 05:17 PM   #18
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I like my RE lift and springs you might look into RE springs for your full traction lift. I am sure they would work just fine together. RE = rubicon express just so you know.
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Old 02-16-2014, 07:50 AM   #19
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Thank you! I will look into that!
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:19 PM   #20
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After much deliberation, I decided to go with the Rough Country 4" lift kit. New N2.0 shocks, new lower control arms, a new track bar, and progressive rate coils. All in all, I couldn't be happier! Quality parts with a lifetime warranty... Outstanding value for my Daily Driver!

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Old 11-15-2014, 03:31 PM   #21
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What's up with that track bar bracket?
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:47 PM   #22
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The track bar bracket allows use of the stock hole for the track bar, which otherwise would have had to have been re-drilled nearby. Purely a personal choice, not a requirement for the install.
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The track bar bracket allows use of the stock hole for the track bar, which otherwise would have had to have been re-drilled nearby. Purely a personal choice, not a requirement for the install.
that style track bar bracket & track bar is one of the worst designed, and often copied, pieces of junk that low end manufacturers throw in their kits.

they have been around for many years, and have a proven track record of hitting & damaging the tie-rod, even on 5-6" of lift, without copious bumpstop extensions to limit uptravel.

here's some examples from a variety of manufacturers:








here's a thread from back in 2008 outlining these issues:
RE track bar bracket hits tie-rod

this should have become painfully apparent when you cycled the suspension to set axle position & bumpstop requirements during the install....unless you didn't do that. you would have also noticed significant other problems, like the shocks are bottoming out, the fixed length control arms are worthless, caster is f'd, and the front brake lines are way too short. these are all common deficiencies of the components you've chosen to use. i'm also very confident your jeep would drive light-years better with properly setup quality components.

and this is a good read...
Big thread of TJ track bar clearance issues

here's the procedures for properly setting up the suspension:
Lift Install & Suspension Lessons Learned
correct bumpstop length
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that style track bar bracket & track bar is one of the worst designed, and often copied, pieces of junk that low end manufacturers throw in their kits.

they have been around for many years, and have a proven track record of hitting & damaging the tie-rod, even on 5-6" of lift, without copious bumpstop extensions to limit uptravel.

here's some examples from a variety of manufacturers:

here's a thread from back in 2008 outlining these issues:
RE track bar bracket hits tie-rod

this should have become painfully apparent when you cycled the suspension to set axle position & bumpstop requirements during the install....unless you didn't do that. you would have also noticed significant other problems, like the shocks are bottoming out, the fixed length control arms are worthless, caster is f'd, and the front brake lines are way too short. these are all common deficiencies of the components you've chosen to use. i'm also very confident your jeep would drive light-years better with properly setup quality components.

and this is a good read...
Big thread of TJ track bar clearance issues

here's the procedures for properly setting up the suspension:
Lift Install & Suspension Lessons Learned
correct bumpstop length
For a Daily driver, not a RC toy, it works and feels great. Thanks for the info though, I will keep it in mind on my next build!
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For a Daily driver, not a RC toy, it works and feels great. Thanks for the info though, I will keep it in mind on my next build!
none of what I described is in reference to a "RC toy", whatever that is. all of information in my post is entirely directed at a daily driver, which is why I brought it to your attention.

Just imagine, hitting the tie-rod with the track bar mount one too many times....like the pictures above. You will find a complete loss of steering at highway speeds.

Example: this guy was running a track bar that is straight over the diff, which is well known to hit the diff cover. here's the aftermath of the broken track bar....



what you seem to be overlooking is that a correct suspension & steering setup is most critical on a daily driver, where road manners and safety are most important.
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Please, please listen to his advice. Your system is not "working" as you may think. Yes, it drives down the road fine, for now. As time goes, those cheap components are going to wear out and fail, even just as a daily driver.
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Please, please listen to his advice. Your system is not "working" as you may think. Yes, it drives down the road fine, for now. As time goes, those cheap components are going to wear out and fail, even just as a daily driver.
I appreciate his advice. I understand that I didn't purchase a high end lift. I will watch for signs of wear and impact. And for the record, RC was an abbreviation for " Rock Crawler", which I could understand his concern for such a thing, given the nature of the sport, and the amount of travel typically endured. I purchased this lift because it was less expensive. Upon further study of my front end, I can only see a small area in which this bracket might hit my tie rod. Otherwise, everything else seems to be placed in such a manner as to avoid impacting any other front end component. My daily driver goes 8 minutes down city streets, then gets parked for two days while I I am away at work. Upon my tour of duty coming to an end, I Drive my Jeep back the exact same 8 minute route. It does not spend a great deal of time on the highway, nor does it see much of any time off road. I appreciate the information, and will look into ways to possibly fix this problem. In the meantime, it does have a brand new track bar, which is of a much higher quality than the stock bar. I am satisfied with my purchase, and in the future as components may wear I will replace them as needed. In the meantime I will enjoy my lift, as the whole point of putting it on was to have it ride higher, being a taller person. The height achieved is exactly what I was hoping for, and its manners on road, including at highway speed are far better than what it was, with the 3" Full Traction lift that was on it at the time of purchase.
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I'm going to say congrats on the lift. I have the Zone and it's also a lower quality lift, but not everyone can afford a 1k+ lift not including tires. Yea, most likely I'll be upgrading components down the road, and when one breaks, you upgrade :dances: See? Easy solution lol.
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I'm going to say congrats on the lift. I have the Zone and it's also a lower quality lift, but not everyone can afford a 1k+ lift not including tires. Yea, most likely I'll be upgrading components down the road, and when one breaks, you upgrade :dances: See? Easy solution lol.
Amen! When it breaks, I can tell the wife "see honey, if you had just let me spend a little extra then..." Lol
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I'm going to say congrats on the lift. I have the Zone and it's also a lower quality lift, but not everyone can afford a 1k+ lift not including tires. Yea, most likely I'll be upgrading components down the road, and when one breaks, you upgrade :dances: See? Easy solution lol.
That's basically saying "I'm building my house but I don't have the budget for a good roof so I'll put this tarp up for a bit and when it leaks I'll just replace a few shingles at a time". See? That's also an easy solution.

I'm not knocking the lift, I'm just not a fan of that style bracket. Save now for a quality adjustable track bar so you don't have future issues. If that track bar bracket fails at highway speed, you won't be saying "see honey, shoulda spent the extra money".

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