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Old 03-31-2011, 10:35 PM   #31
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And just a word of note, if you lift a jeep with coil spring suspension and you don't replace your control arms, beside gaining a small about of lift you also shorten your wheel base. Because you didn't add the longer arms to make up for the change in height. So even if you get the stuff for your rear end your axels will not be truly centered under you jeep where they are supposed to be. 2 or 3 inches may not be much but you have still changed your suspension geometry and in turn are gonna put more stress on steering components, joints and bushings.

Granite it is not a huge amount but just wanted to give you a heads up. This also means your ride quality will not be the same. It's one of those things where you are truly better off to save up and get the full set up even if doing that small of a lift

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Is a motor mount lift the same thing as checking your blinker fluid? Or replacing your muffler bearings?

You don't raise the motor, you lower the tranny and if you only talking a 2.5 or a 3 for that matter, you won't need to do this
I did it. And it helped my driveline problem

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Example. Tie a string to a small stick. Lay the stick on the counter. Put your hand on top of the stick with the string between your middle and ring finger. Run it all th way back to the webing between your fingers. Now pull up on the string but keep your finger tips and wrist on the table..

You end up making a arch with your hand, but at the same time you wrist and fingers are getting closer togeather the higher you go, its the same affect when you don't replace your upper and lower control arms as you go higher.

Which is why the more expensive lifts come with these.. don't matter how much lift you add, the angle just get more extream as you go higher. Little or a lot you will get the same affect
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I did it. And it helped my driveline problem
If that's the case your talking your front driveline. Again don't make sents. I put a 6inch under mine, and never touched the front driveline. So why do I not have a problem.. and if your talking the rear. Then you do the SYE kit with the cv stile driveline. If you raised the motor all your gonna do is line your self up for other issues ... raising the motor instead of doing a tranny drop is someone's answer to jimmy rig it.. don't do this.

That's the problem with these cheaper set ups.. there not done right so some one comes up with a way to make it work instead of fixing it the correct way... not tryin to slam on you. Just trying to stress how important it is to just save your money and get the better setup from the start..... you will save your self a lot of hassles down the road
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Not everyone can buy a 2 grand lift. If you buy a cheap lift of desired size, you can buy as you go adding bumpstops. Contol arms. adjustable trac bars. Cv shafts. Sway bay extensions. He did say, if I'm not mixing my threads up. He won't be doing any seriou flexing anytime soon.
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Never said you have to buy a 2 grand lift, but you will save your self a bank of cash if you get it in a kit, unless you can build one yourself. And I'm also not talking about flex.

I'm talking about what its gonna do while you slowly piece it togeather. The issue starts the second you put one of those lifts on...

and like anyone you can afford one of those lifts its called you work hard and save for it.. never said it was easy.. however it is the smarter way to go.

As I said I not trying to cause heat, but look how much the spendy lifts cost. Look at what's included. There's a reason the 3hundred dollar lift is so cheap, and when done it may look cool, but what about the damage it does to the rest of your suspension, what about the xtra stress you have just added by not doing the correct components right away, if you choose to piece it togeather you will never be done. By the.time its compleate you will be goin back threw replacing stuff that's already wore out do to the stress the cheap lift put on everything else.... really go do a comparison or a search of what happans when you don't replace the stuff, there is all kinds of info on the problems these lifts have. you just gotta look for it and be willing to see it.

The worst part is the manufacturers know all this. They just wanna sell you the product so they can make there money. They want you to brake, that way you have to go back and pay more money to fix it..... it just puts more in there pocket...
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Never said you have to buy a 2 grand lift, but you will save your self a bank of cash if you get it in a kit, unless you can build one yourself. And I'm also not talking about flex.

I'm talking about what its gonna do while you slowly piece it togeather. The issue starts the second you put one of those lifts on...

and like anyone you can afford one of those lifts its called you work hard and save for it.. never said it was easy.. however it is the smarter way to go.

As I said I not trying to cause heat, but look how much the spendy lifts cost. Look at what's included. There's a reason the 3hundred dollar lift is so cheap, and when done it may look cool, but what about the damage it does to the rest of your suspension, what about the xtra stress you have just added by not doing the correct components right away, if you choose to piece it togeather you will never be done. By the.time its compleate you will be goin back threw replacing stuff that's already wore out do to the stress the cheap lift put on everything else.... really go do a comparison or a search of what happans when you don't replace the stuff, there is all kinds of info on the problems these lifts have. you just gotta look for it and be willing to see it.

The worst part is the manufacturers know all this. They just wanna sell you the product so they can make there money. They want you to brake, that way you have to go back and pay more money to fix it..... it just puts more in there pocket...
@everything you've said..thanks for all that. what complete lift kit do you recommend that comes with everything i'll need for a 2.5 or 3" lift? i don't want to rush into anything because my tj is my DD so i need it to last. thanks
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Let me do a little looking, and see what I can find... its gonna run a little more but should be able to get a decent one without running to much.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:37 AM   #39
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Not sure on this brand as I have never tried them but it does come with good shocks.(Brand anyway).

However before considering, it only comes with the lower control arms, you would wanna ask about getting the uppers as well, (find out if they offer any for this kit). On the other side its a 4 inch so its a little more then you want.

http://www.quadratec.com/products/16303_0003.htm

I really hate to say it but if you are looking for just a 2-3 you might be better off with a body lift. I personally hate body lifts, and you would have brackets and other clearance adjustments to make, it would still be less work then a suspension lift.

Guess it really depends on what use your goin for ? People on here are gonna give me crap for that one.
But in some cases it really is better to just throw a 2in on and call it done..

I will do more looking on lift kits but there ain't much available in a 2-3 that is actually a complete lift. Most of them are budget boost kits like that one you were looking at.
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http://zoneoffroad.com/product?ki=21&gr=-1

What about that one? It's a 3" zone lift. I'd add in the steering stabilizer and cam alignment kit. Or is that not the full kit?
$900 is too much bc I'm paying for school right now
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http://4wheelonline.com/jeep/TeraFle....102590.301982

Here is a teraflex 3 in lift, that offers upper and lower arms (front and rear)as a upgrade for 2-3 inch.

So even tho there not included least you know you can get them for that set up.

Starting to get a little pricey but in return the ride and quality would be night day compared to that budget kit you were first asking about.

Teraflex is also a well known brand so least you know your not getting some hokey setup.

I would say call on this and find out what they want to include the upper and lower control arms for the front and rear. Take that number and do some searching and see if you can find a comparable set up and prices.

It cost a lot more but you will be way happier with this compared to to that 300 budget kit ..

But at least this gives you a idea of what to look for
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http://zoneoffroad.com/product?ki=21&gr=-1

What about that one? It's a 3" zone lift. I'd add in the steering stabilizer and cam alignment kit. Or is that not the full kit?
$900 is too much bc I'm paying for school right now
Judging by there description this would be really stiff. And it doesn't include you upper and lower control arms .. if you have to save the money. Even with school, would just take you a little longer before you can get it.. open up a savings account and evey month put In What you can, you would be surprised how quick you can actually save up once you set your self to do so
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Look at what's included in the teraflex kit, that is a full kit after you add in the control arms. Or flex arms as they are calling it.

There is still other stuff you could add.. but include the control arms and at least your axels will sit as they should.
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Due to the fact that I want to do it right and can't afford that for a little while, I think I'm just going to do a body lift for right now. Maybe a 2"b? Is there any specific brand recommended for them and anything else needed to be done when doing them? Thanks for the help
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Due to the fact that I want to do it right and can't afford that for a little while, I think I'm just going to do a body lift for right now. Maybe a 2"b? Is there any specific brand recommended for them and anything else needed to be done when doing them? Thanks for the help
Any brand will really work, only 2in shouldn't have to extend much, but a good kit will include what you need
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Is 2 inches of body lift a good amount? It looks like 3 inches is too much for just doing body. Just something minimal for now that I can get the kit and do the install without buying too much extras
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Yeah a 2 inch is plenty. I would say don't go over unless you have to.

Usually with a 2 inch you won't have to make to many other changes

Keep in mind tho. If you add a 3 in suspension later and don't remove the body lift you will end up with 5 over all
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Later on when I do suspension I'll do a smaller one, like 2" and keep the body on
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That would work. Just all depends on your intended use
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It's a daily driver with occasional trails/mud. Will a body lift mess anything up for dd'ing or on trails
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Body lifts make em more top heavy but a 2 inch will be fine. just slow down on the corners till you get used to it. Two inches won't be that bad, but that's why people say don't go higher..

As with any lifted rig, just slow down a little and you won't have no issues
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i think im going to do the rc 2.5" with steering stabilizer, maybe throw on some bumpstop extensions, not sure though since i rarely flex. thanks for all of your help, if money wasnt an issue i'd definitely go for a more expensive one with everything
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When you do a body lift the motor mount lift moves the fan back to the center of the shroud where it needs to be. And it helps by decreasing the angle of the drive shaft joins to keep from getting the vibrations associated with most lift kits killing to birds with one stone. Now this is not going to help everyone but with a small lift it will help so that you don't have to lower the skid plate the higher you can keep it the more places you can go.
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When you do a body lift the motor mount lift moves the fan back to the center of the shroud where it needs to be. And it helps by decreasing the angle of the drive shaft joins to keep from getting the vibrations associated with most lift kits killing to birds with one stone. Now this is not going to help everyone but with a small lift it will help so that you don't have to lower the skid plate the higher you can keep it the more places you can go.
Told you... And I actually measured my wheel base from lifting it 2.5 inches without upgrading my control arms to recenter my axles. And it shrunk less than a quarter inch... Which means there is zero difference really. RC 3.75 combo kit with bumpstops extensions is EXACTLY what you need.
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Told you... And I actually measured my wheel base from lifting it 2.5 inches without upgrading my control arms to recenter my axles. And it shrunk less than a quarter inch... Which means there is zero difference really. RC 3.75 combo kit with bumpstops extensions is EXACTLY what you need.
That's the same kit I have and I think it looks great and is pretty stable. I still need bump stop extensions still though.
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yeah depending on how much i can save up im doing the RC 2.5" or the 3.75 combo, either one id do steering stabilizer and bumpstop extensions
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Good choice lownslowvw, I did the 2.5 lift last week. Love it. I did longer bumps stops, steering stabilizer (mine was shot), rear track bar relocation bracket, and quick disconnects. I love the way it looks and drives. My son and his buddys all like it now too, so I must have done something right. Here's a pic. Yeah, I'm kinda proud of my Jeep. It gives you more pride when you do it all yourself, that's for sure. Do yourself a favor and rent or borrow a spring compressor. Any questions, just ask. Rick
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Good choice lownslowvw, I did the 2.5 lift last week. Love it. I did longer bumps stops, steering stabilizer (mine was shot), rear track bar relocation bracket, and quick disconnects. I love the way it looks and drives. My son and his buddys all like it now too, so I must have done something right. Here's a pic. Yeah, I'm kinda proud of my Jeep. It gives you more pride when you do it all yourself, that's for sure. Do yourself a favor and rent or borrow a spring compressor. Any questions, just ask. Rick
looking good. what exactly does the rear track bar relocation bracket and quick disconnects do? do i need them or can i get away without them? and what brand lift did you do. thanks
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Rough country lift. You don't need either the rear trackbar relocation bracket or the quick disconnects. The rear track bar relocation bracket just changes the angle of the track bar so it keeps your rear axle centered. (Otherwise, the tires stick out more on one side than the other). The quick disconnects just allow me to disconnect and store the sway bar links out of the way for better articulation of the front end. (Not that I really needed that either) There are threads on here explaining how to make your own for under $5.00.
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You don't flex hard. You don't need discos. ( quick disconnectors )

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