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Old 04-10-2009, 08:55 AM   #1
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Going for a winch...confused.

Going to mount a Smittybuilt XRC-8 to my factory bumper. Will this setup be 100% bolt on?

http://www.quadratec.com/products/92110_900_07.htm
Smittybilt 97281 - Smittybilt XRC-8 Winch - Quadratec

My buddy has one and seems to like it, and I have heard they are pretty good for the price. My plan is to eventually upgrade to a Superwinch EPi 9.0S winch in the future. The Smittybuilt will just be for a year or so.

When using a winch, I keep hearing that with 5 wraps or so you have x amount of the overall capacity.

Is there someplace that explains the pull strength with a certain amount of wraps on the drum? I am new to this and don't fully understand. I want to know what I am doing so I don't hurt myself.

EDIT: Can I switch to synthetic line on this winch? Would I need a new fairlead? Can somebody recommend a synthetic line/fairlead for it? Or am I better off just saving for a few more weeks and getting the Superwinch EPi 9.0S right off the bat (~ $900).

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That winch and winch plate will fit on your stock bumper.

A 8000 lbs winch pulls that load on the lowest layer of the winch cable/line. On the upper 5th layer its about the half. I would better go with a 10000 lbs winch.

You can switch to synthetic line. For that you need an aluminum fairlead.

If you want to buy a Superwinch in the future I would better wait and buy t when you have the money for that. But the Smittybilt winch is also ok..

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So your saying the more line that wrapped on the drum the lower the pull rate? So if I were to strap to a tree 30 feet away and winch out it would only be rated say......3500-4000lbs, but if the tree was 90 feet away and I winched out it would be up to around the 8000lbs of pull?

Sorry, I don't know the correct terms so bear with me

This is what I am looking at now, if I decide to go with Synthetic line. Good?

http://www.quadratec.com/products/92135_20X_PG.htm (should this fairlead bolt to the Mile Marker winch mount because it states it is for a Warn)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/92122_910X_PG.htm (5/16" x 100' 8,000lbs)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/92110_900_07.htm
http://www.quadratec.com/products/92122_1000_07.htm

Is there a How-To to spool the new synthetic line?
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Yes thatīs what Iīm saying.

Take a look at the Milemarker 8000 lbs winch specifications:
Mile Marker 8,000 lbs Electric Winch

8000 lbs doesnīt mean that the winch can lift that weight. It means that the winch can pull that weight on a 45 degrees slope. With deep mud it pulls about the half.
A 8000 lbs winch pulls about 4000 lbs on the upper layer. In deep mud it will pull about 2000 lbs on the upper layer.
I have a cheap 12k lbs winch. In deep mud this winch often still does the job where my buddies with 8k-9k winches need a snatch block to double the power.
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This sale is over, but it would be worth a call to Dave at Rokmen to see what his prices are.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f37/sup...ing-27327.html
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I tried sending email, but it didn't work so I just posted in that forum.
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Old 04-10-2009, 11:07 AM   #7
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Ohhhh, what about this:

XRC 8 Winch W/Synthetic Rope & Aluminum Fairlead

It is the Smittybuilt XRC8 with the synthetic rope and fairlead already. Just need that mounting plate and I should be all set. It will save me some cash right now, and when I want to upgrade to the Superwinch I can sell my friend who has the XRC8 the synthetic rope/fairlead. Free shipping from there too, but it ends today or tomorrow. Yes, no, stay away?
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That looks really good!
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A Superwinch incl. winch plate for 500$ sounds better.
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I'd get the warn. Its "New in the box" and winch plates are cheap.
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Yeah, I sent emails. Waiting to hear back from them to see if they are still available. With the Warn, the Solenoid ( I think that is right) needs to be mounted somewhere as it isn't all inclusive as the Superwinch right?
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I'd get the warn. Its "New in the box" and winch plates are cheap.
X2.. Go with Warn.. You will not be disappointed!!
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Yeah, I sent emails. Waiting to hear back from them to see if they are still available. With the Warn, the Solenoid ( I think that is right) needs to be mounted somewhere as it isn't all inclusive as the Superwinch right?
Everything to hook it up and make it run electrically should be in the box.
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Yeah, I sent emails. Waiting to hear back from them to see if they are still available. With the Warn, the Solenoid ( I think that is right) needs to be mounted somewhere as it isn't all inclusive as the Superwinch right?
A few of Warn's winches have a separate box for the solenoids but most of Warn's winches have them integrated into the winch as does Superwinch. My Warn HS9500i winch has the solenoids integrated into the winch. With integrated solenoids, you only run the winch's two power leads directly to the battery. You can install this type of winch in 30 minutes or less.

Personally, I'm no fan of winches imported from China as the Smittybilt, Milemarker electrics, Harbor Freight Tools, and all but 3 of the Superwinch line. I'm a strong believer in Warn's winch line, one of the few whose Jeep size winches are still manufactured in the US.
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I'm a strong believer in Warn's winch line, one of the few whose Jeep size winches are still manufactured in the US.
That only shows that you are a patriot and not that these winches are better or worse than others.
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The guy with the Superwinch just replied and said "There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. I got rid of the jeep that I had it on. It has everything that it came with"

Still havent heard anything on the Warn.
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That only shows that you are a patriot and not that these winches are better or worse than others.
On the contrary, I am convinced Warn's winches are better quality by a long shot than any of the Chinese winches being discussed. I see way too many complaints about the Chinese imports to ever let me feel comfortable about trusting them for a tough situation where it has to work.

Chinese underwear or an ice cream maker? No problem. A Chinese winch where I may be the only guy with a winch and the nearest civilization is 50 miles away across the desert? No way. If you don't believe in putting a little extra $$$ into an item your survival may depend on, then that's your problem and not a problem that I'll ever have.
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I would spend extra $$$ if I would see a difference. Iīve seen broken Warns, broken Superwinches, broken China winches and others. IMO there isnīt a big difference.

BTW the German Army had expensive Warn winches on their Mercedes G. After a long term test they changed to cheap winches from China. They didnīt found out a difference. Whatīs good for a Mercedes G canīt be wrong for a TJ.
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I don't mind paying more for quality. Warn, from what I have read fits that bill. If I can get the M8000 for $500 I will jump on it, if not I hope the Superwinch is an ok second.
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I don't mind paying more for quality. Warn, from what I have read fits that bill. If I can get the M8000 for $500 I will jump on it, if not I hope the Superwinch is an ok second.
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This is not a "Ford Vs. Chevy" debate here fellas as there is a little more fact involved... Warn are the best quality winches bar none.. Look at ALL of the winches on Forest Service rigs and competition rigs... WARN!! Yup, You can attempt to argue the "Chinese are no different" until you are blue in the face and you will be dead wrong.. Once again; i gotta side with Jerry on this one...

Try Giving warn a call to talk tech with them.. They are the greatest guys on the planet who care about wheelin and preserving the trail.. THEY ARE ALL ENTHUSIASTS and very proud of the fact that they build their products with the best quality standards in the industry.

Take a look at the front of that Jeep fellas; that is a Warn 8274 (Not 50).. For those of you who know; that is an old winch.. The Guys at Warn and Dated her to 1985 when they were still made in Kent, Washington.. I am going to have it converted to a -50 here in a few weeks and I can't wait to see Warn's operation.. Bottom line here....... almost 25 years old and still kickin'.. What does that say about quality??
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Well the guy with the new Warn M8000 for $500 got back to me and still has it.

I'm going to get it tomorrow morning

Will that Mile Marker mounting plate do or should I go with something else. It needs to bolt up to a stock TJ front bumper/frame.
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The MM plate should work fine, Jeep-size winches pretty much all use the same mounting bolt pattern size. Good decision on going with the Warn winch!
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Here she is! Brand new, never used! Going to order the winch plate now. The manual says I need a mounting system kit (part # 26368). I would have thought it would have been included. I found the bracket and it is cheap so no worries. I noticed that the label on the right looks a lot different than the M8000s on Quadratec. Mine says CE M8000. Is there a difference?

Warn 26368 - WARN Solenoid Bracket - Quadratec




I was stumpped on how that bracket mounted the solenoid...but found a photo.



EDIT: Checking out the WARN Covers I see there are three that say they are for the M8000. Which one do I use if mounting the solenoid above the motor and on a stock bumper?

Warn 13917 - WARN Soft Winch Cover - Quadratec
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I've noticed my remote is different than the one that comes with the M8000 shown on Quadratec. It is also different than the replacement remote. I can't seem to find the one I have anywhere. Could it be an older model?
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That is the newer remote. So you got the better one. You'll love that winch, it is super reliable and pulls great.

the little L bracket for the solenoid box comes included with the Warn winch plate mount. The warn mount is really good. Just don't get the cheapo 3/16" universal plates... those deform and bend pretty easily. They are tempting though because they are alot less money.

Congrats!

*edit: the sticker and CE marking is the same as the one on the m8000 that I had bought a few years ago. I think they mustve just changed to a newer sticker within the last few years since the quadratrac photo was taken. Attached is a photo of that winch and warn winch plate on my jeep from a year or two ago
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