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Old 01-01-2008, 03:24 AM   #1
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Gonna pick up a jeep this Wendesday......Which one???

Hello all,

I've been spending the last hours looking at pics of all of your beautiful TJs.

I'm gonna buy a 2000 TJ this Wednesday. The Jeep has 62k but has had 4 owners and was originally from Canada.

I saw this thing and I was in love.

Question: 1. Are these things durable or will this thing nickel and dime me?
2. Would you buy a stock one and lift in on your own?
3. Are they that much fun?(This will be my weekend / beach / road trip vehicle); I drive a 34 mpg Toyota as my daily.

I would buy another jeep that is newer, has an original owner, but does not have a hard top and doesn't have wheels and tires I want for $500 bucks less.

The blue is $500 more with 57k miles and it's a 2000. It has had multiple owners./ No a/c

The gold one is $500 less but is missing top. It has 73k but has had one owner. No top, no wheels, just lifted./ Has a/c

Which would you choose? TY in advance. Both are MT.



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TY in advance. I just love the way the blue one looks but the gold one has one owner and is a 2002.

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I just went from a highly-tuned import sports car to a vehicle $5000 less in value, 4 years older and 30k miles more, what a change!
But I got no regrets, I havent even had the chance to drive around with the top off yet which is really why I bought it, but I still love it.
I wouldnt worry too much about owners, got the VIN? I'll run it if I still have unlimited on Carfax. I got mine already lifted, already had a nice stereo in it, already got nice tires on it and im glad. You always say "ill buy a stock one and mod it myself" but its nice not to have to.

Of the two Jeeps, well, Is AC important to you? You live somewhere hot? If so id get the gold one for that reason. Aint much difference between 50k and 75k with a Jeep I reckon.
Hard top will cost you $800 if you want one. Just my 2c - gold one! If one owner has kept it for that many miles they have probly loved it and taken care of it.

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Thanks smeg. But how much will those rims and tires cost that are on the blue one?

BTW, I can't wait to get mine so I can run with the top down; even in winter a few times.

The gold one has had no top for the past two years because someone stole it and broke that parts for it. Also, the center console is broken.
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Hello all,
Hi, how ya doing?

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I've been spending the last hours looking at pics of all of your beautiful TJs.
Not mine. I don't own a TJ but the wife does

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I'm gonna buy a 2000 TJ this Wednesday. The Jeep has 62k but has had 4 owners and was originally from Canada.

I saw this thing and I was in love.
Question: 1. Are these things durable or will this thing nickel and dime me?
Yes they're durable, and yes it will nickel and dime you.
2. Would you buy a stock one and lift in on your own?
Yes.
3. Are they that much fun?(This will be my weekend / beach / road trip vehicle); I drive a 34 mpg Toyota as my daily.

Yes they are that much fun if used properly.
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I would buy another jeep that is newer, has an original owner, but does not have a hard top and doesn't have wheels and tires I want for $500 bucks less.

The blue is $500 more with 57k miles and it's a 2000. It has had multiple owners./ No a/c
I've never really understood the one owner hype. One owner can and will get tired of his ride and abuse the hell out of it while a new owner, or multiple new owners will think" yay, I have a Jeep!!! I will love it and hug it and never rub it's fur the wrong way"
In other words, a one owner rig can be in far worse condition than a multiple owner rig. It all depends on the owner/s

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The gold one is $500 less but is missing top. It has 73k but has had one owner. No top, no wheels, just lifted./ Has a/c

Which would you choose? TY in advance. Both are MT.
I would choose the one that best suits your wants and desires, sounds like the blue one.
This isn't an investment, this is a purchase to be used.
Of course that all depends on what MT stands for...


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TY in advance. I just love the way the blue one looks but the gold one has one owner and is a 2002.
Then get the blue one.
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Old 01-01-2008, 04:00 AM   #5
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Skeeter for mayor!!!!. TY man....

THe blue one it is.

BTW, you made a great point that I have never heard before about the one owner hype. True, I've had cars and towards the end, I would just red line and abuse.
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j/k you will love either, I just think people who dont keep cars for long dont really develop a love for them, they are just in between or summer cars.
I think the gold ones is more tasteful, looks like they spent more money on it.
But either is fine, you'll love the blue one if thats what you want. I just like the colorscheme of the gold one, seems more tastefully done to me. Softtop for it would be $200 used
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If your budget allows, buy the 2008 version and avoid some of the issues you have stated.

If not, buy the blue one. Considering I don't know what part of California you are from, you could potentially have crappy weather if you are in the mountains up north, and will appreciate the Hard Top.

If you are from the South, and in a high crime area, you will appreciate the added security of the Hard Top.

Otherwise, ignore all of the above, and do what makes your heart go "pitty pat."

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I would also say the blue one. If you bought the gold one you would have to dish out money right away to put a top on it. Even though your in Cal. your gona need a top sometimes, And you'll have to put on new wheels which could be very expensive or not, just depends on what you like. They both do look like nice vehicles though.

When i bought mine... mine had 2 owners before me. Both owners were stationed at the Airbases here in North Dakota. Also mine had 71,250 miles on it. I have found no problems with it, it's been a rock. Also when i bought mine there was another wrangler on the lot for sale. It had 20,000 less miles and was 2 years older, BUT it looked like it was used and abused, it was also a one owner jeep. I decided to go with the one that was 2 years newer, 2 owners, and 20,000 more miles just because it looked like the Jeep was well taken care of. I also bought a 3 year service warranty contract, just for peace of mind.

So good luck on Wed on what ever jeep you decide to buy, and don't forget to tell us all about when you buy it.
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Just to stir the pot a bit, does the gold one have NO TOP, or just no hard top? Because if the gold one has a soft top, I'd be inclined to go that route, especially if you are planning on this for toy duty. I love my hard top this time of year, but in the summer, it's stuffed back in the corner of the garage. If you plan to have both tops, go w/ the blue one, as a soft top is cheaper than a hardtop to purchase.

Also, the gold one does have some aftermarket wheels, I think. I'm not aware of any packages that came w/ wheels that color. But, when it's all said and done, buy the one that will make you happiest. Check them both over good for undercarriage damage, make the dealer put it up on a lift for you to look, check for scratches or repainting, also mud packed under the skid plates, etc...

Enjoy, post pics when you get it home, and don't forget to wave!
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I have to agree with Skeeter on the one owner thing. I have a friend who purchased a 2006 RSX brand new and he killed it. It was a 6 speed and he learned how to drive standard when he picked it up. After 2 clutches by 6500 miles, a blown CV, bent axle from a curb, and a valve job at 12,000 miles, the car got repoed and it was sold at the auction as a 1 owner car. Can you imagine buying that? Both of those Jeeps look like nice rigs with low miles. I myself like the blue one, the gold one to me has to much going on.
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Smeghead, great point. I wasn't ignoring you at all.

You guys rule; thanks for the tips.

O yea, the gold one is a 2002 and the blue one is a 2000. The 2002 Jeep's top was stolen and the stole the soft top. For the past two years, the car has been missing a top and has only had a half top(covers the front only). The owner said that mechanically, the car is sound but the interior looks worn because for two years, it's been missing a top. Only a half top has been there so in the rain, the back has been getting wet.

PS: Are the 2002s more reliable(i.e. better trannys)?
By the way, the blue one has a tow hitch so I'm thinking that the jeep did do some towing. In addition, I did see some mud pack under the carriage by the shocks.
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i think you should get the blue one, b/c u like it and because it has less miles. the 2002 autos are also less reliable if it is one.
i doubt it towed anyhtign too big so it should be fine, snf depending on the tires it may thropw mud reallly easily up there, and i wouldt guess that the other jeep has been taken off road too, just maybe been cleaned a little better so i wouldnt worry tooo much

ok now about jeeps, they are very durable ESPECIALLY the 4.0l and the manual combiation, they've been known to mak eit to 200,000 miles no sweat.

as for buying a stock one thats what most people suggest because then you know it was installed right and also if it is stock tehre is less of a chance it was beat up on off road

and lastly driving my jeep is one of my top 5 favorite activities, its ffuunnn especially with a manual

and if you have any extra money the first thing i suggest is to buy a used soft top for it b/c in opinion soft tops are wwwaayyy better than hard tops!
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It that true? THe '02 had more problems than the 2000 model? Interesting. Explain please.

O yea, the 2002 gold one has 68k miles. THe 2000 blue one has 62k miles

debruins and orangle05tj, ty guys.

scotiez, ty for the point. I see your point.

soupy, sorry, the budget doesn't allow. ALready have a car payment on another car which is my daily driver.

sgnellett, good point.

By the way, I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THANKFUL FOR YOU GUYS; you guys are taking the worry out of buying a jeep and getting more amped.

O yea, do you guys prefer manual or autos? WHich one is more reliable. I know a guy in OC selling a jeep with 260k and he just finally had the trans rebuilt. It was a manual.
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I perfer manual. I love the 6 speed in mine. I can't be bothered by dogomatic, but thats my preference.
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manual is more fun for me, but i dont do any city driving so it would be a pain if i sat in traffic every day going to work, and manuals will last almost forevever you will have problmes with the newer autos after 90-120,000 miles, and the older ones arouind 120,000 miles
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By the way, I heard that the tranny in 2000 is new and changed from the previous. I think the new one in the 2000 is a nv3550.

Opinions on the nv3550? Good, bad, better than the previous?
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I can't answer that for you, but I will wait to see if anyone knows. I'm curious myself.
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Howdy hedonist, welcome to WF.

I prefer manual. All of my vehicles have been manual. No technical reason behind my preference, it's just what I like.
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I'm happy with either Manual or Automatic. I'm pretty easy going... i just bought what i thought was the best jeep and the best deal for my money. Anyway i started a poll about what people like more, Autos or manual transmissions. here's a link to what the results are. http://www.wranglerforum.com/general...ion-14057.html
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hmmm then its the worse auto, wella s for dependability, it is better for gas mileage and for bigger tires, so either one if its an auto will not be as dependable, and by that i mean only will make it to 100,000 before a rebuild and not to 200,000
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How far can a manual go before a rebuild?

By the way, I agree, soft tops rule!!

How much do they typically go for and where is a good place to buy them?
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Hey hedonist! Welcom to the party! My opinion, Go with the blue, it strikes your fancy more, yes? I might be partial tho, this is mine....

Mine also had a new nv3550 installed before i purchased it. They seem to be on of the stronger manuals in the jeep from factory, tho nothing will hold up to alot of abuse. Mines a 2000 also, 67,000 when I bought it. Runs real well. If the blue checks out mechanically then I say GO FOR IT! That manual trannie should last you as long as you own the jeep, barring some major abuse.

Try best top soft tops, mine had a new one installed, seems really nice. Jc whitney has it for 600$ or so including the frame w/ it looks like you would need for either jeep.
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you should be able to find a used soft top wht all the hardware for a lot less, ebay or craigslist, if not a good place to shop for stuff is northridge4x4.com, jcwhitney.com, 4x4groupbuy.com, and absoluteoffroadphx.com
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i would get the blue one.. you can always buy a softtop. 500 dollars less is no big deal.. and I barely see a hardtop for 800 dollars.. they usually run for 1200-1500. You will suffer in gas. I like my jeep. I dont have a soft top either. On those hot days you would appreciate the a/c.

This is my opinion.. I appreciate my bucket when I went camping in yosemite. I hopped over logs when parking was tight.. however I wish I could afford it as my second car.. gas is expensive and I dont use it was much for what it is ment for. With that note it depends on where you live also. Here in the busy bay area of CA. I dont have much time to go outdoors. I would bet it would be more fun If my car payments are done and insurance would clear up a bit from my motorcycle crashes.. heheh.. (you will love it, if you use it for what it is ment for).
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o yeah I have a auto.. due to traffic.. but mines is an '05 I read somewhere that autos are better on the 03 and up (not 100% sure though). Like I said depends where you live.. In the boonies I would have went for a manual. plus I am not as young as I used to be.. close to thirty you know, and the arm gets tires from riding the moto.
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o yeah I have a auto.. due to traffic.. but mines is an '05 I read somewhere that autos are better on the 03 and up (not 100% sure though). Like I said depends where you live.. In the boonies I would have went for a manual. plus I am not as young as I used to be.. close to thirty you know, and the arm gets tires from riding the moto.
03 and newer autos are the 4 speed, so that right there helps, adding an extra gear, helps w/ the mileage, keeps the wear and tear down, the only thing I didn't like when I bought mine, I was really looking for an 03 or newer so I'd get the 4 speed, but I found exactly what I wanted in an 02, and since she's mostly a toy,, I went for it!
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But how much will those rims and tires cost that are on the blue one?
The rims look like mickey tompson classics.. about 100 bucks a piece so 400+ for the rims and then the tires seem like 31s for about 150 a tire..
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In two hours, I will be picking up a Jeep!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOT WOOT!@!@!@!@!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quick question: I want to take the doors off tonight and just cruise the city in the freezing cold for giggles sake.

Have any of you received a ticket without mounting side mirrors?
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Have any of you received a ticket without mounting side mirrors?
i never have but it depends on your State laws.
(i believe here in FL, i only need one rear view mirror)
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Mirrors with doors off? nah, just point and go.

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