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Old 04-14-2012, 11:05 AM   #61
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Greenhead it looks like a fender upgrade may work perfect for you. You seem to have a safe lift on there.

mjbuck, Thank you for your service. I work for a water utility and our local Police have kept me safe many times. I owe them big. Everyone thinks road construction is only a hassle and is in their way. I have even had a lady texting plow into our work zone and into a work truck that separated me from her. Another was a DUI stopped by a cop who was blocking the road so we could turn a valve on a new years eve at midnight. I could go on and on.
So I personally thank you for your service.

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Old 04-14-2012, 11:29 AM   #62
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To the law enforcement people on here, thank you for your service.

I have a few friends that are in law enforcement, they are good cops, honest, and do a good job. Now because they are my friends I hear all the stuff about their job and I can tell you each and every one of them are dicks and they are dicks on purpose.

They will go out of their way to write a ticket for nothing or a little issue. They are instructed to do this for the money. Contrary to belief it is part of their job and is talked about at work and by superiors...

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I'm sorry, but did you say something about intelligence?
I don't think the guy understands what you're saying.
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I removed the spacers and went to my inspection station and had them sign off on the warning. Now just have to mail it out. Not sure where im gonna go next. Considering selling my spidertrax spacers and highlift jack to pick up some new soft 8s with proper backspace and then save for some flares.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:21 PM   #65
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I live up on the border of PA and know how strict they are with vehicle laws and enforcement. A member of my Jeep club got a $125 ticket for each uncovered auxiliary light minus the one set allowed by the law (one pair of headlights + one set of auxiliary). That turned out to be 6 separate tickets. He took it to court and got it reduced to one ticket.

My tires stick out about as much as the OPs and am working on getting $ for extended flares. Tire coverage is mandatory in MD but they usually don't bother unless you are doing something else wrong.

IMO, debris isn't as much of a problem as road spray when the roads are wet. I rooster-tail when it rains. Great for keeping tailgaters at bay but not nice when I change lanes in front of a person.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:25 PM   #67
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I removed the spacers and went to my inspection station and had them sign off on the warning. Now just have to mail it out. Not sure where im gonna go next. Considering selling my spidertrax spacers and highlift jack to pick up some new soft 8s with proper backspace and then save for some flares.
I'd go for the flares first since you'll need them anyway.

These will get you legal for the least amount of $$. They extend out about 3" more than stock and are probably what I'm going with soon.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:27 PM   #68
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I'd go for the flares first since you'll need them anyway.

These will get you legal for the least amount of $$. They extend out about 3" more than stock and are probably what I'm going with soon.
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:38 PM   #69
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TL/DR all of the pages. But I did catch the cop saying "any over 3" than stock is too much for a tire size"

I don't see anything written about that in here...

http://www.liftlaws.com/pennsylvania_lift_laws.htm

Edit: my bad, Flares not tires. Sounds like a lame law to limit flares
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:50 PM   #70
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The safety equipment is there for a reason and as already been mentioned, states differ greatly.

In WI, no one cares. easiest state to live in when it comes to driving. No plates for trailers. No smog. No safety testing. No insurance needed to register a car. No hassles with loud exhaust.

BUT, if you work for my employer. You get fired for a DUI or wreckless, they pull your driving record annually, and you get fired if you don't have a valid DL. We also have to attend driving school every three years and ANY use of a cell phone, hands free or not, in a company car or in a personal car to conduct business will cost you your job if you get caught.

How about them rules?
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:47 PM   #72
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Where are you at in pa? I mean you can see my jeep. I don't have issues. I mean we don't have police either but I know and see lots of police and never have issues, heck I have them wave at me sometimes. I have plenty of neighbors with bigger trucks. Right out the road are 4 fords on 33s and 35s. No one ever gets troubled. I think it is just some places in the state. Anyways Goodluck man.
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:18 PM   #73
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Where are you at in pa? I mean you can see my jeep. I don't have issues. I mean we don't have police either but I know and see lots of police and never have issues, heck I have them wave at me sometimes. I have plenty of neighbors with bigger trucks. Right out the road are 4 fords on 33s and 35s. No one ever gets troubled. I think it is just some places in the state. Anyways Goodluck man.
I am in shippensburg (south central pa area)
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I am in shippensburg (south central pa area)
Not too far from me I have family an friends that go to school there. I just think they are strict over there and need the $. Over all I think police are great but seriously there are bigger issues than tire/fenders.
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I am in shippensburg (south central pa area)
Went to school there, definitely be careful as the police (both local and state) in that area seem to crack down on things. Like I said I never got stopped for tires sticking out in the 4 years I was there, but I do know a few people who were ticketed for riding with no doors by the local police. Something else you should watch out for. I was never stopped for having no doors either, but I was warned by more than one local who wanted to give me a heads up. Guess I've been lucky in that regards.

This thread has gotten way out of hand. Typically police are great individuals, I don't think anyone will argue that. But if you really think that there isn't one moronic police officer out there then you have a problem. Police officers are regular people like you and me. I don't care what your occupation is: police, soldier, firefighter, teacher, whatever. Everyone is capable of being an idiot.
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A friend of mine has gotten a few of the warning cards that have to be mailed back in. They have never had them signed and sent in and have never had any problems
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Went to school there, definitely be careful as the police (both local and state) in that area seem to crack down on things. Like I said I never got stopped for tires sticking out in the 4 years I was there, but I do know a few people who were ticketed for riding with no doors by the local police. Something else you should watch out for. I was never stopped for having no doors either, but I was warned by more than one local who wanted to give me a heads up. Guess I've been lucky in that regards.

This thread has gotten way out of hand. Typically police are great individuals, I don't think anyone will argue that. But if you really think that there isn't one moronic police officer out there then you have a problem. Police officers are regular people like you and me. I don't care what your occupation is: police, soldier, firefighter, teacher, whatever. Everyone is capable of being an idiot.
Well said man.
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Vehicle equipment laws are established for one reason "highway safety"
~ if this was the case, then NJ wouldn't have a policy that allows you to pay $400 and receive no points (and not tell you about the surchage beforehand) rather than just sticking with the old policy that allows prosecutor discretion.

No one's arguing that a F350 lifted 20 inches on 46 inch boggers is highway safe. But because the legislators don't take the time to design laws that outline rather than blanket entire auto segments, people like us get screwed. And I've been pulled over for way too many stupid rules that the officer decided to act upon despite posing no danger to "highway safety."
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Same freakn trooper pulled me over again tonight and gave me a $111 citation for no doors!!! Man im torqued! Also said my tires are still outside the body line. This is crazy. You can drive a motorcycle with out a helmet but since my jeep was made after 86 i cant take the doors off! What the he77! Not sure what to do now. Not sure if i should fight the ticket or just pay it and start driving with doors. Why hasnt this ever been fought???? Why must i ride with doors when they are made to take off. Im more pertected in the jeep then i am on a bike.

If bikers can rally the capital for helmet laws why cant we for door laws???
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Same freakn trooper pulled me over again tonight and gave me a $111 citation for no doors!!! Man im torqued! Also said my tires are still outside the body line. This is crazy. You can drive a motorcycle with out a helmet but since my jeep was made after 86 i cant take the doors off! What the he77! Not sure what to do now. Not sure if i should fight the ticket or just pay it and start driving with doors. Why hasnt this ever been fought???? Why must i ride with doors when they are made to take off. Im more pertected in the jeep then i am on a bike.

If bikers can rally the capital for helmet laws why cant we for door laws???
That sounds like a real jerk you dealt with. I mean find a real criminal to write, DWI, drug possession, larceny etc... But no doors...wow! To be honest that is actually embarrassing we live in a country that gives power to guys like that!
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Here the cops do it for the overtime. If they write a bunch of tickets that will problably get fought in court they get to sit in on the trials collecting time and a half pay.
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As a Deputy Sheriff for almost 25 years in Michigan (now retired). The issue of the safety of lifted vehicles was a hot topic, especially after Michigan set specific guidelines as to what was "unsafe". Now, if everything is what it is, I wouldn't have given you a second look, but then again, I don't know PA state law. The law in Michigan was designed to prevent super-jacked up vehicles that ran the risk of driving up and into the windshield of cars in the event of a head-on collision. I've seen this happen. It was also to prevent vehicles from being lifted in a manner that was unsafe. On one situation, a person used hockey pucks to lift their truck. I did stop and on ocassion write tickets for these violations, although they were usually extreme / outrageous cases where safety was the problem. In our area, as I'm sure is the same in PA, some officers strictly enforced this law, while others were more lax. That can be the said for any law. What really bugs me is derogatory remarks (moron, egotist, etc.) that you guys are throwing around. My career ended at 3:03 pm on a September afternoon in a rural town when I responded to a call of truck racing up and down a rural town road and when investigating , I was shot and had to kill my attacker. So, I'm a little sensative to these comments. The same officer you call moron and egotist is the same officer that most likely will risk his life to save yours if you were ever unfortunate enough to end up in that situation. Okay, that said, carry on.
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The PA statute cited is pretty vague, IMO. It could be interpreted to say that any modifications from stock is illegal.

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(b) Other violations.--It is unlawful for any person to do any of the following: (1) Willfully or intentionally remove (other than for purposes of repair and replacement) or render inoperative, in whole or in part, any item of vehicle equipment which was required to be installed at the time of manufacture or thereafter upon any vehicle, by any law, rule, regulation or requirement of any officer or agency of the United States or of the Commonwealth, if it is intended that the vehicle be operated upon the highways of this Commonwealth unless the removal or alteration is specifically permitted by this title or by regulations promulgated by the department. (2) Operate, or cause or permit another person to operate, on any highway in this Commonwealth any vehicle or combination which is not equipped as required under this part or under department regulations or when the driver is in violation of department regulations or the vehicle or combination is otherwise in an unsafe condition or in violation of department regulations. (2.1) Operate a motor carrier vehicle, bus or school bus the brake system of which is in such condition that further operation would be hazardous under section 4704(c)(1) (relating to inspection by police or Commonwealth personnel). (3) Do any act forbidden by this part or fail to perform any act required under this part.
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Mjbuck. Most of the cops in my town were the highschool jocks/bullies and they get a big boner intimidating people. The safety issue is B.S. in the past two months i've seen one 18 wheeler blow through a guardrail, almost hit a jeep(he flipped his jeep backing up to help) and knocked house 3 feet off of its foundation. I also saw an 18 wheeler blow through 2 guardrails and flip it into oncoming traffic. Talk about safety. When you look at a truck and the numbers on the side read 80,000 lb gvw it means you have a truck doing 70+mph that can weigh up to 40 tons. And you are gonna fine a guy with lift? Ghey. Cops thrive on intimidation but intimidation is illegall. Next time this "cop" pulls you over you have the right to videotape him. If he intimidates you into stopping give your phone to your passenger and let him know that this video is being live streamed to your website. If he intimidates your passenger into shutting the phone off that is unlawful. You have the right to videotape. It is only illegal to record audio situations except in Teaxass where it is a one party system(only one of two parties needs to consent). Video is a free for all. You have the right to videotape the situation and if he intimidates you that is a felony coming from a law enforcement officer. I respect cops for what they do and they do not get paid enough. I do HVAC for a living and see guys do shady shyt. Nobody is perfect. Remember that judge a few years ago that was using a penis pump DURING court? WTF?
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Now this trooper may hound you. Maybe you need to paint it a different color. If that is legal in PA. And yes, get a grassroots group started and rally the capital. It will take years. But it can be effective. It is how we managed to get SHALL ISSUE CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS here in Michigan.

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Same freakn trooper pulled me over again tonight and gave me a $111 citation for no doors!!! Man im torqued! Also said my tires are still outside the body line. This is crazy. You can drive a motorcycle with out a helmet but since my jeep was made after 86 i cant take the doors off! What the he77! Not sure what to do now. Not sure if i should fight the ticket or just pay it and start driving with doors. Why hasnt this ever been fought???? Why must i ride with doors when they are made to take off. Im more pertected in the jeep then i am on a bike.

If bikers can rally the capital for helmet laws why cant we for door laws???
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Here is the code he wrote me up for. As i read it, it says i should be aloud to take doors off.

§ 175.77. Body.


(f) Doors. A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be equipped with doors of a type used as original equipment. The doors shall open and close securely unless the vehicle has been manufactured or modified to the extent that there is no roof or side. Tailgates, except on vehicles where the tailgate gives access to the passenger compartment, may be replaced with wood planking, nets or other material that will prevent loss of load. Tailgates may be removed when optional equipment, for example a truck camper, is added.
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You modified it to have no roof. Case closed
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Maybe his wife or g/f ran off with a "Jeep Guy"
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It is also stated on the roof(that was removed because you modified it) that the doors and roof will not provide protection.
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Ridiculous reason to pull somebody over the way I see it. Especially after seeing pictures of how much tire was actually protruding from his Jeep. I understand that some states may have laws and violations regarding such a thing but come on. It's not like the OP is running a 13.50 + width fat ass tire with flat fenders/no fenders. I think PA needs to check itself with that law. Your tires aren't hurting anything.

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