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Old 08-13-2012, 08:52 PM   #91
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My tires stick out a good inch and never had an officer say anything. I did get stopped for havin a broken passenger side mirror. Funny thing here in MI... with doors off only drivers side and rear view is required. But because passenger side was mounted and clearly broken when his headlights hit it I got stopped. Was just a fix-it-ticket. I put steel doors on and got it signed off. Not gonna say this deputy was "fishing" for drunks... but he has a reputation for snagging drunks. Anyways.. Arguing with an officer at 3am on the side of the road is a bad idea.

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Ridiculous reason to pull somebody over the way I see it. Especially after seeing pictures of how much tire was actually protruding from his Jeep. I understand that some states may have laws and violations regarding such a thing but come on. It's not like the OP is running a 13.50 + width fat ass tire with flat fenders/no fenders. I think PA needs to check itself with that law. Your tires aren't hurting anything.

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Old 08-13-2012, 09:33 PM   #92
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I hope you fight it. I'll write the state gov in Harrisburg if you want and get every keeper I know to if you want. If we got parks like Rausch and rock run and other places involved we could end up with a few thousand jeepers. Or we could take it nationally. Honestly how hard is it to type up a petition and send it around for electronic signatures. You can set them up for free online I believe. Just a thought. I will argue with cops over these types of issues because I know the law.

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Asshole politicians, making asshole laws, so asshole cops can generate revenue in the name of public safety.


I'll leave it at that since I haven't read the COC for this forum. Don't want to get the boot
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:34 PM   #94
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Sounds like a Dumb ASS cop with nothing to do, think I would have to tell him "see ya in court"
Spoken like a true Dumb ASS with no knowledge of the local laws or anything factual to this incident. Take it to court....by all means and then still fix it! There is OBVIOUSLY something more to the story.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:37 PM   #95
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I'm a bit offended were not all assholes, but I mean you wouldn't hesitate to put ur life on the line for a stranger correct? Just saying. I give tickets to those who break the law. Someone's attitude always but themselfs a cite. We don't cite to make city money we cite to make u realize ur mistake.
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Spoken like a true Dumb ASS with no knowledge of the local laws or anything factual to this incident. Take it to court....by all means and then still fix it! There is OBVIOUSLY something more to the story.
I love being taken to court three hours over time guaranteed
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:32 AM   #97
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I think it might be time to move away for PA to a free state.
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There's a jeep in my neighborhood that has 35's and stock flares. Those tires must stick out like a good 3 or 4 inches haha. Maybe excessive but man I wouldn't be able to tell on your jeep, and this guy I could tell from a mile away! He's been running it for a long time and hasn't changed it. I'm guessing no cops care, and why should they?? There should be more important things to stop :/
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:09 AM   #99
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There's a jeep in my neighborhood that has 35's and stock flares. Those tires must stick out like a good 3 or 4 inches haha. Maybe excessive but man I wouldn't be able to tell on your jeep, and this guy I could tell from a mile away! He's been running it for a long time and hasn't changed it. I'm guessing no cops care, and why should they?? There should be more important things to stop :/
Amen. I bet his stick out almost 5 inches with non Sahara/rubi flares. They almost have to if they are a 13.5 wide
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:28 PM   #100
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Enough said
Irrelevant in my opinion. We're talking how one interprets small sections of vehicle code, not murdering people.

Please don't get me wrong, police officers are often some of society's finest members. However, I won't begin to put them, or anyone else for that matter, on a pedestal and pretend they are incapable of making a bad decision. Officer of the law, doctor, soldier, judge, etc... I don't really care what you're job title is; at the end of the day, everyone is human and capable of making a mistake.

I think people are getting a little carried away.

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A friend of mine who is a mechanic in SC PA had this to say back in November:

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I attended the southern franklin county inspection meeting, and i happened to bring this topic up.

According to one of the head quality assurance officers of PA, it is in fact 100% LEGAL to drive your Jeep with the top, AND doors removed! This is true for ANY Jeep in which door removal is stated in the owners manual. You do however, have to have mirrors equipped on the jeep, which is also stated in the Jeep owners manual. this means that the vehicle was designed to be driven this way. This is true for all CJ, YJ, and TJ jeeps. I was unable to obtain an owners manual for a JK, so i do not know if it is legal on that model, however if the JK owners manual says anything about door removal, than it would be included.

This is not to say that you may not be pulled over by an officer who is uneducated on the subject, however if you were to take the citation to the magestry, you will win the case, according to the QAO
Just some food for thought, and something to keep in mind for those of us here in PA.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:53 PM   #102
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Actually the warning card did say stuck out past flares. I just took a pic of it close to show the need smaller tires. Didnt realize it cut off the flares part. When i got home from work tonight i removed the spacers and hammered down the part of the spring perch (reason for the spacers) so it wouldnt rubb the tires. Guess ill stop by the garage tomorrow on my way back from scouting turkeys and have them fill out the card.

Never ment for the post to disrespect the men who serve us just a little bewildered and upset when i consider my jeep the smaller jeep compaired to guys i wheel and hangout with.
I have family and friends that are in law enforcement so I would never generalize the field, but just like every other profession out there you will have an a-hole or two floating around.

As for the fenders, maybe try these.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o03_s01_i00

They are shaped exactly like the original stock flares but they are wider.
They cover my 33x12.5x15's on 4" offset rims perfectly.

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Old 08-14-2012, 04:13 PM   #103
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According to pa state law your flares can't be wider then 3 inches so a cop can bust you for that. Yeah. Wack.
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According to pa state law your flares can't be wider then 3 inches so a cop can bust you for that. Yeah. Wack.
Wow... guess I'm staying down here in Louisiana.
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Wow... guess I'm staying down here in Louisiana.
I've never heard of it being cited but it's in there lol. My Sahara was illegal from the factory
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Haven't heard the 3" rule, but I have heard that they can't be non-factory. It's another bad part for PA; I've never heard of it being enforced either, and I've actually had police officers tell me that I should get wider flares to cover the tires and be legal.

PA is great for things like gun laws, but it really needs to lighten up on the nitpicking of the vehicle code.
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I've never heard of it being cited but it's in there lol. My Sahara was illegal from the factory
You make a very good point. This is a Jeep at our local Dodge/Jeep dealership. Brand new, all mods done by a certified dealer and fully covered by warranty.


Bet you'd get a ticket in it in PA.
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Haven't heard the 3" rule, but I have heard that they can't be non-factory. It's another bad part for PA; I've never heard of it being enforced either, and I've actually had police officers tell me that I should get wider flares to cover the tires and be legal.

PA is great for things like gun laws, but it really needs to lighten up on the nitpicking of the vehicle code.
I have had that told to friends of mine about the flares also. Looking at the code today and that popped up about the fenders and I said huh?

X2 about the gun laws. The vehicle ones are a bit goofy at times.


Dragonii, probably. Tires are out but where I live you never get trouble by cops unless you venture in town and then it's still real rare. Haha.
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Dismayed...................

I read the 100+ posts about the tire size thing. I am dismayed that I see so many of what I thought to be the best of the jeepers to have such a negative view of the Police in general. Some don't hide it and show absolute contempt.

I to was a TIN MAN for 38 yrs. I treated you as I wanted to be, and took sure quick actionwhen necessary.

I am proud of the profession I chose.

We called these "tickets" correction cards. I don't remember following up on one.
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I read the 100+ posts about the tire size thing. I am dismayed that I see so many of what I thought to be the best of the jeepers to have such a negative view of the Police in general. Some don't hide it and show absolute contempt.

I to was a TIN MAN for 38 yrs. I treated you as I wanted to be, and took sure quick actionwhen necessary.

I am proud of the profession I chose.

We called these "tickets" correction cards. I don't remember following up on one.
Agree! My dad was a cop. I work with cops all the time. Cops are just trying to make an honest days pay and take care of their families like the rest of us. Difference is most of the times they see people at the worse. They are literally on the front line for people who just insult and complain about them. So give them a break. If it wasn't for them most people wouldn't last a week out there.

Saying that .. There are many dumb laws out there. Call your legislator. That's their jurisdiction.
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I read the 100+ posts about the tire size thing. I am dismayed that I see so many of what I thought to be the best of the jeepers to have such a negative view of the Police in general. Some don't hide it and show absolute contempt.

I to was a TIN MAN for 38 yrs. I treated you as I wanted to be, and took sure quick actionwhen necessary.

I am proud of the profession I chose.

We called these "tickets" correction cards. I don't remember following up on one.
I know I haven't expressed content for police in general, just the odd bad apple that seems to want to give trouble to you for unreasonable reasons. I am glad we have law enforcement and the men and women do an important service that out country needs. There are always going to be power hungry individuals who abuse their position. Thank you for your service and I am sorry you were offended. not everyone chooses their words wisely and you can't take offense to something said on the internet.
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How is PA when it comes to out of state vehicles? I was under the impression that they can only enforce that stuff for PA vehicles. I'm fine looking like a dork with my bent up front plate if I can roll without doors on for my trip up to RC.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:39 PM   #113
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As mentioned earlier in the thread, I moved from PA in part to get away from the politicized law enforcement. I'm not in favor I allowing law enforcement officials to be roadside judges. By that I mean passing judgment on what to detain someone for, and what to cite someone for (it happens everywhere in the US, but seemed to be worse in PA). This car passes at 65 in a 55 and doesn't get stopped. The next at 73 gets stopped, but is nice so doesn't get cited. The next at 63 gets stopped but is quiet, saying only as few words as necessary for fear of being beaten (happens!) and is ticketed. Fighting it is costly, stressful, and aggravating. But the ticket could also be flat WRONG (see: no doors in PA) and the wrongly accused still has to deal with it. It should be MUCH harder to become an officer. That said, there are also plenty (most?) or good ones.

Flares? Define flares. Can they say the factory flares aren't an integral part of the body? If not, could I run without them? Just because they're a different material, are they not part of the vehicle? What about Rubis? Do I have to change out the stock flares before I leave the dealer (oh, crap, now my tires stick out too much...)?

So happy to be in FL! While it's not nearly perfect, these things are much less of an issue. Maybe it's just having less bored lawyers.
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Its not so much people vs police its people vs police enforcing dumb laws... If they get there rocks off ticketing for doors off why dont they enforce this garbage: Any motorist driving along a country road at night must stop every mile and send up a rocket signal, wait 10 minutes for the road to be cleared of livestock, and continue. You may not catch a fish by any body part except the mouth. A special cleaning ordinance bans housewives from hiding dirt and dust under a rug in a dwelling. You may not sing in the bathtub. Though you do not need a fishing license to fish on your own land, but a hunting license is required to hunt on your own land. Fireworks stores may not sell fireworks to Pennsylvania residents. A person is not eligible to become Governor if he/she has participated in a duel. We pa jeepers need to write our legislators.. But we dont need tickets for convoluted poorly written laws being interpreted on the spot. Maybe this guy can help ...not a political endorsement... But he does drive a jeep http://www.wolfforpa.com

Sorry to stir up an old topic been reading about tire laws
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Maybe this guy can help ...not a political endorsement... But he does drive a jeep
Tom Wolf for Governor
Wouldn't vote for him even if he promised to officially legalize door-less Jeeps and tires sticking out of fenders.
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Yeah i really know nothing about him.. .. Waiting to get pulled over in pa for my 32x11.5x15 mtrs now though lol..stock rims 1.25 spacers
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Sent a PM to OP cus I thought it was a new thread...lol. I had the problem with the perch and I just used a BFH on it, banged it flat on the tire "side" and bingo: no more rubbing. Worked fine for over 12 years...lol
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Now plead "NOT GUILTY" and file for numerous extensions.......

By 2016 they will drop the case.

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