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Old 10-24-2006, 01:26 AM   #1
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Hard top or Winch??

Just like the title says...I am stuck here, should I buy a hard top or a winch for my TJ? I cant get both at once so it is going to have to be one or the other. Any suggestions? I live just south of St. Louis so I do see cold and snow.

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If you wheel every weekend and keep getting stuck I would say go with the winch. If you want to protect yourself from the harsh winter a bit more as well as add some security to the Jeep then go with the hardtop.

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Old 10-24-2006, 08:29 AM   #3
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if you don't have a problem heating up or getting things stolen then go with a winch...how much cash do you have to work with?
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What use is a hard top? Does it get that cold in Missouri? If theft is the issue, I don't think anything will stop a thief. If they want in, they'll get in.
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if you don't have a problem heating up or getting things stolen then go with a winch...how much cash do you have to work with?
I have $1900 to spend. Theft is not a big issue around here. I havent done to much with my TJ yet simply because I dont want to get it stuck and not be able to get out. Here in missouri it is usually in the 40-20 degrees range in winter. Last night is was about 25 out and I drove home with heater on the second dot and was very comfortable.
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Old 10-24-2006, 12:31 PM   #6
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Why don't you buy a used hard top off ebay or look in the paper till you find one, I see them go for about $900-1000 on ebay and saw one in the paper the other day for $600. They don't go bad, then you could afford to get both and maybe have a little left over. Just a thought.
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Old 10-24-2006, 12:48 PM   #7
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Why don't you buy a used hard top off ebay or look in the paper till you find one, I see them go for about $900-1000 on ebay and saw one in the paper the other day for $600. They don't go bad, then you could afford to get both and maybe have a little left over. Just a thought.
Thats what I would like to do but no one wants to ship a hard top. I dont really feel like driving a while to go pick one up.
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Old 10-24-2006, 01:19 PM   #8
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if theft isn't an issue and your comfortable in the winter then don't get a hard top...get the winch so that you can go wheelin without worry of gettin stuck! that is a great feeling! if you look hard you might be able to buy a used hard top for cheap and a winch
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I would say if you want to do a lot more hard core wheeling go for the winch. I've never had to use mine, and experience dictates that you always use them on someone else. But, it is good insurance. If your existing top is in good shape, go for the winch and just watch the ads until you find one close enough to get. But, if you're in need of a top, don't leave yourself out in the cold. Like amerijeep said, if it's to prevent theft, don't worry too much, if they want it they'll get it anyway. Don't leave valuables in a jeep, or put them in a tuffy box.
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Old 10-24-2006, 08:11 PM   #10
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if you do mud oh trust me you'll need the winch unless someone else is gonna pull you out.
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Old 10-24-2006, 11:13 PM   #11
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if you do mud oh trust me you'll need the winch unless someone else is gonna pull you out.
Ya know I hate to say it but I'm not too big on the mud thing. I like rocks and trails, they seem to be more challenging than mud. And the clean up isnt as hard either.
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Old 10-25-2006, 08:08 AM   #12
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nah you shouldn't hate to say it...i used to do all mud, but now im getting drawn away from mud even if its just trails and hill climbs. im startin to dilike mud more and like rocks and trails BETTER...i wheeled in the mud and it was alright but i'd rather do a trail if anything
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Old 10-27-2006, 07:28 PM   #13
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No question get the winch.20-40 degrees isnt too bad for a soft top.Just dont wipe the ice of the soft windows they will scratch.
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Old 10-28-2006, 12:43 AM   #14
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Ok well I sold this lil problem. I got both..I found a like new hard top here in town for 800 bucks. It came off a 2005 rubicon. so now I will get a winch with the extra bones.
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Old 10-28-2006, 11:46 AM   #15
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sweet. nice deal. i thought you could get both with that much money. congrats
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That's great, I'm glad you found a deal. I run a raymart 10000lb I got it on ebay with a roller fairlead and a mounting plate shipped for $560. Thought it was a pretty good deal, so I'll pass it on.
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Old 10-29-2006, 12:51 AM   #17
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Thanks guys for the input guys. It sounds like I am going to get started on my project a little earlier than i had planned! That is always a plus. I need to post up some pics of mine so everyone can see how it goes with the progress.
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...I run a raymart 10000lb I got it on ebay with a roller fairlead and....
10,000lb? what do you run a semi or something? isnt a wrangler only 3200lb?
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Yeah 8000lbs for a wrangler is plenty any more and you risk bending your frame.
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Old 11-07-2006, 10:26 PM   #20
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I don't see a thing in the world wrong with having that kind of capability. He might need to move a hummer out sometime.
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First the hummer weighs to much and would simply pull the jeep second if hes suck in mud trying to winch out a winch that strong could bend the frame or just rip the entire bumper off.
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You don't believe a vehicle can pull one that weighs more? Most trucks weigh more than my Jeep, but I have pulled quite a few out of the mire before.

I can't believe that someone on a Jeep forum would say that a Jeep couldn't winch out a Hummer. So you're saying a Jeep is weaker and has a fragile frame compared to a hummer....
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I like how that sounds though.. my wrangler to rescue the hummer

As buying a hardtop goes ebay is your best friend here.. i found new tops for $1900 yestuday on the web and thats not a pocket happy price...
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I said a winch.... this is pointless go try to pull a hummer out with a 12,000lb winch for all i care ill watch while your jeep just gets pulled closer and closer to it. Stop twisting my words trying to make me look dumb. I though you preached no flaming here and thats exatly what your doing. Delete anything you want it doesnt matter. im 17 i have swapped front and rear axles install numerous ring, pinion, and lockers, made my rear bumper/tire carrier, done plenty of custom welding and cutting im not afrid of speaking what i know and have seen just because someone is older and supposedly more knowable then me.
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I'm not flaming. I'm just trying to get you to see what you are saying. There's lots of stuff you aren't considering. The main thing is traction. From what you are saying, it is impossible for a lighter vehicle to pull a heavier one. My Jeep was very recently pulled out by a four-wheeler. It's much lighter than my Jeep though.

I wouldn't flame you Nick. You're one fine member here. If you search the forum, I think there is a video of a Jeep pulling a hummer.

And by pulling, I do mean with a winch...

Anyway, It's not that important. I'd be happy to have that big winch on my Jeep. I'd go searching for hummers.
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Nevermind this wont end.
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Ha! Nick, don't sweat it bro. it was fun having the debate. I just can't put that much thought into what I'm saying anyway. Been a long day...

Good talk.
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granted he's not up to his axles in mud.....but I always like to see a Hummer rescue
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I said a winch.... this is pointless go try to pull a hummer out with a 12,000lb winch for all i care ill watch while your jeep just gets pulled closer and closer to it. Stop twisting my words trying to make me look dumb. I though you preached no flaming here and thats exatly what your doing. Delete anything you want it doesnt matter. im 17 i have swapped front and rear axles install numerous ring, pinion, and lockers, made my rear bumper/tire carrier, done plenty of custom welding and cutting im not afrid of speaking what i know and have seen just because someone is older and supposedly more knowable then me.
Ok so this may sound stupid but how hard is it to swap out a ring and pinoin, or install a locker? What tools do I need?
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You can move alot with a winch ...But recovery reminds me of a Cat D11 Dozer that was stuck in mud over it's tracks...alot of equiptment and alot of money later it was out !

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