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Old 03-16-2013, 12:42 AM   #31
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I got mine from Susquehanna Motorsports. They are in PA and ground shipping took 2 day to SC.

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Not sure how those Bosch ecodes are but I love my hellas.
I'm not saying the Hella's are bad but with most of the reading I have done it sounds like Bosch has better optics. Apparently the Ecode pecking order is Cibie, Bosch, Hella. They are also currently on sale making them cheaper than the Hella's.
InvisibleP, did you also order a new harnes from SMS?

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Old 03-16-2013, 01:08 AM   #32
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I'm running 55w h4s. No need to upgrade to a harness yet. I am getting supplies together to build my own tho. I just need some high temp h4 sockets which I will be ordering next week. At that point I will upgrade to higher wattage bulbs.

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Old 03-16-2013, 01:38 AM   #33
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Don't orders those. I they are for motorcycles. Read the negative comment at the bottom. A guy says he had to trim some tabs and was unhappy, someone responded that it is for motorcycles and that was the cause of his issues. If you are going to use amazon, input your vehicle make and model and let it filter out the crap.
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Don't orders those. I they are for motorcycles. Read the negative comment at the bottom. A guy says he had to trim some tabs and was unhappy, someone responded that it is for motorcycles and that was the cause of his issues. If you are going to use amazon, input your vehicle make and model and let it filter out the crap.
I was referring to the last link from amazon the OP posted.

-I would have edited my last post but thought of it too late.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:24 AM   #35
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Don't orders those. I they are for motorcycles. Read the negative comment at the bottom. A guy says he had to trim some tabs and was unhappy, someone responded that it is for motorcycles and that was the cause of his issues. If you are going to use amazon, input your vehicle make and model and let it filter out the crap.
That would explain the position lamp.
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Old 03-16-2013, 01:07 PM   #36
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Don't orders those. I they are for motorcycles. Read the negative comment at the bottom. A guy says he had to trim some tabs and was unhappy, someone responded that it is for motorcycles and that was the cause of his issues. If you are going to use amazon, input your vehicle make and model and let it filter out the crap.
I have spent days researching and have seen comparisons of the light output between the two Bosch designs. The low beam pattern is almost identical and high beam is very similar.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:10 PM   #37
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Hey guys, I just ordered two housings and bulbs for 51 shipped. The site is bus depot.com, it's a Volkswagen site but they are the same type of lenses. I found a thread in jeep forum and they had the link. They are bosh housings and bulbs.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:23 PM   #38
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I have spent days researching and have seen comparisons of the light output between the two Bosch designs. The low beam pattern is almost identical and high beam is very similar.
I was referring to the last link he posted.
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Send those back and order Bosch E codes from BusDepot. $45 for the pair and from everything I have read the Bosch units are superior to Hella anyway. Second only to Cibie. I can't link from my phone but do some searching there is allot of info on here and Jeep Forum about H4's..
The Hella's came in today and I plugged into the existing wiring and it works without any additional change to the wiring. The light I can tell is brighter and white, not the dingy yellow of the factor lights. I will try and install them tomorrow and will let you know how it goes. I appreciate all the feedback and the additional looks at Bosch, Cibie, etc. But I am not going to send this set back.

I will try and take pictures before and after to show what they look like. The part number I ended up with was almost the same as the one on the Quadratec site, 002395071 instead of 002395031. They have an additional hookup for low beams. I will report on the installation, with pictures sometime over the weekend.
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For anyone that cares to read up on the 002395071 Hella part number, I have a link to the Hella Website Catalog description of this lamp. It is indeed an E-Code light, regardless of what Amazon's site says. Datasheet.
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Hey guys, I just ordered two housings and bulbs for 51 shipped. The site is bus depot.com, it's a Volkswagen site but they are the same type of lenses. I found a thread in jeep forum and they had the link. They are bosh housings and bulbs.
Scratch that! I found them.
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Just to add to this thread, found a kit for the Hella Ecodes over at Susquehanna MotorSports (Susquehanna MotorSports - Auto Performance Product). Purchased the kit with the upgraded wiring harness. When everything is in, I'll see about posting some before/afters. My pictures may suck though, it's not very good at taking nighttime pictures.
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I got the Hella's installed and it really was not difficult, but thought I would share the install process. Since my lights did not come with instructions, I used my Haynes Manual and followed that. Overall install takes about 30 mins - 1 hour if you take your time. Very simple to do if you are not upgrading the harness. Since I was using the 60/55w bulbs, I did not upgrade the harness. I am posting pictures for the first time and hope that this works. If not, I will try and fix it later.

First, I have a 2004 TJ Sport in case I didn't state that earlier.

Step 1. Take off the outer Headlight Bezel off by removing the three Torx Screws. You will need a T15 screwdriver for this. Pull the bezel out and set aside.
http://sdrv.ms/1012I53
Step 2. Optional step, while I had these out, I decided to paint them flat black and get rid of the chrome. I don't like chrome myself and that way it matches the bumper and the stock fog lights. I used Rust-Oleum Trim and Bumper Paint Flat Black.
http://sdrv.ms/YiLHJohttp://sdrv.ms/ZTNOiw

Step 3. Remove the Headlight retaining ring also using a T15 Torx screwdriver.
http://sdrv.ms/Y58FBC

Step 4. Once the retaining ring is removed, you can simply just unplug the headlight and remove it completely.
http://sdrv.ms/13k2HRqhttp://sdrv.ms/14d5zia

Step 5. Put the new Bulb (Hella H4 Performance Bulb-12V 60/55 W - Part Number 002525001) into the new Headlight (Hella E-Code 7" headlight part number 002395071) and insert into the open slot. Plug in the existing harness into the new bulb. Make sure you test it before you screw it all back in.
http://sdrv.ms/YxiqVH

Step 6. Reinstall the retaining ring and then the headlamp bezel.

Step 7. Drive at night with confidence

Here is a side-by-side of the original versus the new headlights with painted bezels.
http://sdrv.ms/WUxSyO

I apologize for all the links but could not figure out how to get the pictures to show up in the post. In case they ever do, I will remove the links to clean this up.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:03 PM   #45
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Just installed mine tonight as well... Wow, what a huge improvement. The sharp cutoff line was rather unexpected to the degree it is. The flood pattern is very even. I had to some minor aiming horizontally, otherwise the install was cake. I'm waiting for an upgraded harness, until then I'm running stock wattage.

Problems with the pictures not showing up must have something to do with the limitation of sky drive. Try using photo bucket or anything else not related to microsoft/apple.
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I apologize for all the links but could not figure out how to get the pictures to show up in the post. In case they ever do, I will remove the links to clean this up.


FYI, you can upload your photos to the forums gallery, then right click the uploaded picture and copy image url. In the thread you want to post in, click the add image icon, the paste url. Preview post, and if all looks good finish post.

I would not use photo bucket. After time the links will break and render you post useless to anyone looking for pics. I can't count how many threads I have come across looking for answers to problems, only to have the thread refer to a photo that us now just a photo bucket broken link image.

If you use the forums gallery the pics will stay as long as the forum is around.
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FYI, you can upload your photos to the forums gallery, then right click the uploaded picture and copy image url. In the thread you want to post in, click the add image icon, the paste url. Preview post, and if all looks good finish post.

I would not use photo bucket. After time the links will break and render you post useless to anyone looking for pics. I can't count how many threads I have come across looking for answers to problems, only to have the thread refer to a photo that us now just a photo bucket broken link image.

If you use the forums gallery the pics will stay as long as the forum is around.
Thank you for the tips on pics. I did not realize I could post pics here. I will move them later today.
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Now that you've installed them, do yourself a favor and go aim them.
Jeep Articles / General (E-Code headlight aiming) - MoabJeeper Magazine
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:27 PM   #49
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Here are the pics from my original post

Step 1. Take off the outer Headlight Bezel off by removing the three Torx Screws. You will need a T15 screwdriver for this. Pull the bezel out and set aside.


Step 2. Optional step, while I had these out, I decided to paint them flat black and get rid of the chrome. I don't like chrome myself and that way it matches the bumper and the stock fog lights. I used Rust-Oleum Trim and Bumper Paint Flat Black.


Step 3. Remove the Headlight retaining ring also using a T15 Torx screwdriver.


Step 4. Once the retaining ring is removed, you can simply just unplug the headlight and remove it completely.


Step 5. Put the new Bulb (Hella H4 Performance Bulb-12V 60/55 W - Part Number 002525001) into the new Headlight (Hella E-Code 7" headlight part number 002395071) and insert into the open slot. Plug in the existing harness into the new bulb. Make sure you test it before you screw it all back in.


Step 6. Reinstall the retaining ring and then the headlamp bezel.

Step 7. Aim them properly. Jeep Articles / General (E-Code headlight aiming) - MoabJeeper Magazine (Thanks Patrick H. - this is similar to the method outlined in my Haynes manual and saved me lots of typing. I left this step out of the first step-by-step post so I appreciate the reminder).

Step 8. Drive at night with confidence

Here is a side-by-side of the original versus the new headlights with painted bezels.

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