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Old 09-04-2011, 05:44 PM   #1
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Help - Clutch job done, now P0335 and P0016

2006 LJ, 4.0 6 speed.

Just got done installing a new LUK clutch and LUK flywheel. No start condition.

Lots of cranking and checking things it eventually started.

Initial code came up as P0335 - Crank Position Sensor A. After it ran for a few minuets, I got a P0016 - Crank sensor, Cam sensor correlation...

Checked sensors on trans, and wiring. The harness on the right side of the tranny was slightly pinched between the bellhousing and the firewall (stupid bracket). Massaged wire harness, and tried to read RPM on scanner. The jeep eventually started, but went to a no start condition again.

Not going to stress on the P0016 until I get the P0335 taken care of.

I have two possibilities.

1. The wire harness got pinched and I have an intermittent connection, so I need to pull and open up the harness at that point (junction of 3 into 1).

2. The LUK flywheel has a radically different tone ring for the CPS than the one that I replaced. It may not be reading at the correct intervals, or the OD of the tone ring may be shorter than OEM (Made in China). I did hook up my Fluke scope and was getting a consistent reading off the CPS by the plug, but I lack the wire schematic to check upstream of the area where it got pinched.

Does anybody have the 2006 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited diagnostic trees for P0335 and P0016? My factory service manual does not include that critical tidbit of info.

There is a third code (multiple misfires) that is really low on my list, as it is probably related to the other two.

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Old 09-05-2011, 08:16 AM   #2
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Had a buddy come over who is a gasser specialist (I do diesels) and showed up about the time I was done ohming and wiggle testing the CPS wiring above and below the pinch point.

Going to throw the old flywheel back in. We both think that the LUK flywheel does not have the correct CPS cuts. I'll post pictures of both if this works.

Still need that trouble shooting tree for the two codes, or even a wire schematic. I can't find anywhere on the web where you can download a PDF of the diagnostic manual, so I have to wait for it to be shipped.

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Old 09-05-2011, 09:39 AM   #3
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Had a buddy come over who is a gasser specialist (I do diesels) and showed up about the time I was done ohming and wiggle testing the CPS wiring above and below the pinch point.

Going to throw the old flywheel back in. We both think that the LUK flywheel does not have the correct CPS cuts. I'll post pictures of both if this works.

Still need that trouble shooting tree for the two codes, or even a wire schematic. I can't find anywhere on the web where you can download a PDF of the diagnostic manual, so I have to wait for it to be shipped.
good luck, man. i don't have any help for you, but thanks for posting this because I'll be doing my clutch in the future. thanks

sounds like if those cuts are the prob, it'll hopefully take care of those other codes. Hope you don't have to go chasing a wire that may be slightly damaged enough to throw a code, but can't tell visually.
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Old 09-05-2011, 11:40 AM   #4
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I just spent another 2 hours tracing wires and Ohming out from the CKS connector and the connector at the ECM. Nothing shorted together, nothing intermittent, nothing shorted to power or ground. In the middle of pulling trans again. Gonna lose an hour taping the harnesses back together (had to be right behind the head...Grrrrr.....).

Orbital sanded the old flywheel with 220 to remove glazing and other imperfections. Still see the OEM cuts outside the wear marks, so I know I did not go to deep, or uneven pressure in my circular motions.

Buddy was able to locate another flywheel today, going to check it out for me to see if it matches the OEM.
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Here is the two flywheels side by side. Notice the left one (LUK) has 3 long reference points, and the OEM only has 2 (never mind the notch count - which may or may not matter)

Hope this is the problem.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:04 PM   #6
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That was the problem.

Lesson to all...Make damn sure that your replacement flywheel at least comes close to resembling your original one.
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That was the problem.

Lesson to all...Make damn sure that your replacement flywheel at least comes close to resembling your original one.
Thx, changing mine soon.
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Why did you replace your flywheel in the first place? Unless it is physically damaged, replacing the flywheel is not a normal/usual thing to do when installing a new clutch.
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Old 09-06-2011, 05:25 AM   #9
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Habit. When I do a hidden job, I get all the parts, and if they are inexpensive as compared to the time it takes to gt there, I change them out regardless.

This time it bit me in the butt...hard. Now I have to go pick a fight with Clutch Dr. for the wrong part and labor lost in R&R and diagnostics.

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