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Old 10-18-2011, 03:01 AM   #1
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Help fast! Rear Spring Fell Out (yes, right now at night)

I got 30 or so feet onto a dirt road when my rear right spring fell out.

I had already backed up a few feet before I figured out that noise wasn't the brakes and went to look. It seems it might be wedged in over at the brake/wheel/tire.

It's about 1 or 2 miles from home (where I'm typing this). I had my bro give me a ride so I could grab what I need to get it fixed.

Don't have a hi-lift jack, but a real nice floor jack. Jeep isn't on horrible terrain, so it should work. The right rear is real close to the ground.

Can I just jack up the frame until I can get the spring back in?

Hopefully somebody responds fast, gotta get back over to it.

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Old 10-18-2011, 03:16 AM   #2
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If the jack will lift the jeep up far enough, then you should be fine.

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Old 10-18-2011, 03:25 AM   #3
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I've lost a coil while off road many times. WIthout even using a jack... if you can find a big rock or berm and put the front tire as high up on it as possible then that will cause the corner with the messed up coil to droop enough away from the frame to unwedge the coil and reseat it properly. You can also unbolt the shock on that right rear corner to get it to flex better to get that coil in properly

like this but you'd be putting your front tire on the rock instead:


you can also try the same thing by backing the opposite rear tire onto the rock or ledge, if that is easier. That will give you enough space to do what you need to. Be careful while under there of course.
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you could also try unbolting the rear sway bar to assist in the flexing in the back, same idea as unbolting the rear shock. You need to flex the jeep enough to get that coil un-stuck and reseated.

if that fails, and if you don't have a high lift, you can get some coil compressors. But you probably don't have that with you. Some auto zone locations are open 24 hrs. They sell coil spring compressors there.
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:34 AM   #5
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thanks guys

back home now. floor jack plus rocks plus two jack stands, I was able to unwedge the spring from between the tire and frame. Couldn't get the spring back in, limped home without the spring.

The way it was in there, I was afraid of moving back into a flex position where the spring could go back in, and by the time I had it out, I was exhausted and just wanted to get back home. it's 230am now. It was dark and super foggy too, visibility of under 100 feet, and condensation was dripping from the roof onto me

Well, it was fun at least! Just funny that I literally only got 30 feet onto that road before this happened.

now to get all this dirt offa me
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:29 AM   #6
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Congratulations on that trail fix. Ingenuity is required a lot of times when out on the trails.

I'm happy that you got home with the jeep okay. It is okay to drive without the rear coil(s). Now you can get that coil put back in at your leisure and in the comfort of your home garage/driveway.

That same thing happened to my jeep when my rear shock mount broke.




and it's happened to my friends jeep (fatbob309) a couple times... sometimes two coils at once



Notice that Lance was there BOTH times (on separate trail runs) to help pick up our coils. lol. Thanks Lance!
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:50 AM   #7
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fix your suspension problems so it doesn't happen again.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:55 AM   #8
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yes sir!

seriously though, this shouldn't happen normally but sometimes it does. And now you know how to deal with it if it happens again. In my case I don't have a rear sway bar and the shocks were counted on for limiting the rear flex. And at the time I didn't have a coil retainer to keep the shocks in place like I do now.

My other friends jeep was similar situation.

So your jeep may either have a broken rear shock, or perhaps you have some budget boost spacers that are somehow slipping out (not held in with bump stops) or something like that. But other times, stuff just happens when your hardcore

While your under there putting the coil back in, just look the suspension over to see if anything is unusual. I suspect you may have just picked up a rock rock with your tire and it went round the wheel well and knocked your coil out.
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Hey again.

I may have said it above, but I am running a 2" budget lift, installed by the original owner (2 owners ago).

I've got the spring back in place. There are spacers and no bump stops in the rear of my jeep. Are there bump stops from the factory? Should it have had bumpstops put in with the spacers?

The shock doesn't appear broken. Would it be obvious? They are not OEM shocks, but the PO had some Bilsteins put in. He said they were supposed to make it "ride like a Cadillac". They don't.

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Old 10-18-2011, 07:56 PM   #10
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Does it look like anything is broken or missing? Let me know if I should take more pictures from certain views.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:17 PM   #11
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Hi Kev,

yeah, it looks like the rear coil fell out because you don't have extended rear bump stops. So there is nothing holding the top of that rear coil in place to keep it from just falling over and out onto the ground when the suspension flexes.

See how your front bump stop cups extend down through the center of your front spring spacers and coils? That keeps the front coils from tipping over when the front suspension flexes. The rear should be similar but those bump stop extensions aren't there in the back and so your springs will just flop out.

*by the way, the front bump stop photo only shows the bump stop cup but the rubber or polyurethane insert is missing from that cup.

These are easy and inexpensive fixes
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you have no bumpstop extensions or jounce bumpers in back - thats why your springs fell out.

you need jounce bumpers and 2" bumpstop extensions.



ZJ front jounce bumpers from the junkyard will fit, and 2" bumpstop extensions can be had in the form of 2" body lift pucks from Performance Accessories. Get new M10 bolts at the hardware store.
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There should also be a clamp and bolt in the bottom of the spring pad/mount that holds the coil in the cup at the axle. This keeps the spring from exiting the whole mounting area. Get the bump stops fixed like Unlimited has said. For some reason, a lot of people forget about the bump stops. Very crucial parts in the suspension.
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So, factory setup includes a clamp to hold the spring down? It appears to be long-gone on both sides.

I did notice my front bumpstops seemed odd compared to others I've seen.

I could tell why it fell out, but thought "something must be missing, or there's a design flaw here". So it seems to be not really a design flaw, if it's missing the clamp.

Is it expected that anyone installing a budget lift should have known to install bumpstops back there? And, since I assume a fallen-off bumpstop would remain trapped within the spring, whoever installed this lift did not put them on.

Where can I find those clamps for keeping the spring in the cup at the bottom?
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Old 10-19-2011, 04:06 AM   #15
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Mine had no clamps...the rubber just pops inside the cup. Takes a little force to get it in there, but once it's in, its not just gonna fall out unless it's dry rotted to hell.
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Here is a photo showing where a coil retaining clip goes in the front left...



My jeep came from the factory without any retaining clip for the coils. And the jeep years when they did include them, they only put them on the left side. The reason they only put them on the left is that on the right (passenger side front) the clip retaining position is located where the base of the coil is on more of an upward turn... and so that passenger side clip often pops out from the coil spring pressure over time.

Anyway, if you want to buy front coil spring retainer clips you can google for them. I see that Rustys sell them. Kindof a ripoff at $10 for what they are but seems most places are charging the same. But your issue isn't really with the front coils falling out so you would probably be fine without front coil retainer clips until you get a more flexy front suspension.

Rustys Offroad: Coils - Heavy Duty Coil Spring Retainer Clip

For the back coils, jeeps never came from the factory with any coil retainers. They are meant to be held in place because (a) the rear doesn't usually flex as much as the front because of the rear sway bar... and (b) they are kept in because of the rear bump stops, which of course your jeep doesn't have.

Yeah, I suspect the previous owner purchased the coil spring spacers without getting them with extended rear bump stops. Coil spacers are often sold alone without the bump stop extensions. And so, when the previous owner installed them they discovered that the factory bump stops would not fit with the new coil spacers and they just continued on with the install and not doing anything about the rear bump stops.

Your probably missing the front rubber bump stops from the cups because they couldn't push them back into the cups after installing the front spacers (using wet soapy water helps get them back into the cups)

*edit: Stu's website shows how you can create your own rear coil retainers:
http://www.stu-offroad.com/suspensio...retainer-1.htm

But I think you'd be fine if you just had rear bump stop extensions and rear bump stop. You'll have to get hold of the rear bump stop cups too since those are missing.

so your shopping list should be:

- a pair of rear bump stop extensions: http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_xtras_1093.html
- a pair of rear bump stop cups: junk yard rear tj cups... or zj front cups will also fit on rear of a tj.
- a pair of rear bump stops: get these also from junk yard or google it because I'm lazy and hungry now. ha Have fun!
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What great information this Forum has. I've owned my 2001 Sahara since it was new and when it was about 2 years old I noticed that coil spring clip on the left side and seeing none on the right side just figured it came loose and I lost it. Took the left one off and went to 2 different Jeep dealerships and asked what the clip was for and was there supposed to be one on the right side. You can't imagine the blank look I got at both shops. They had no idea why it was there, if there should have been one on the right side, and if I could even get one for the right side.

The only reason I found the left one in the first place I was looking for a squeak under the front end and discovered that clip was rubbing on one of the other coils when the front end bounced. I removed the clip and just left it off and since I'm not a severe off-roader I've never had any problems with it.
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i always carry spring depressers with me. but yeah you could always flex the opposite front up real high and take the sway bar off (rear) also extended bumpstops help. and clips to hold the bottom of the spring in(which i need to get) i do believe
ygohome said all this already though

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