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Old 11-26-2012, 08:14 PM   #31
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Buy it. Sounds like basic maintenance. Bleed the brakes. Get allingment and make sure tires are balanced. I would need to see the control arms but it looks like a teraflex lift probably 3"? You have a teraflex sway bar. That is a 400 part. Adds traction off road. The vibration sounds like the gearing might be off.

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Buy it. Sounds like basic maintenance. Bleed the brakes. Get allingment and make sure tires are balanced. I would need to see the control arms but it looks like a teraflex lift probably 3"? You have a teraflex sway bar. That is a 400 part. Adds traction off road. The vibration sounds like the gearing might be off.
Ok, Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll be getting it then. Expect some more questions soon once I get it home and can mess around with it some (I'll just update this thread).

Main thing that's throwing me off for the lift is the white shocks. Teraflex's are black...

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Old 11-26-2012, 08:33 PM   #33
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Looks good to me man. I would snatch it up. Looks clean.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:34 PM   #34
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You can get with or without. Their shocks are not that good. The LCG kit comes with adj control arms all the way around and a belly up skid plate. That kit is 2600.
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You can get with or without. Their shocks are not that good. The LCG kit comes with adj control arms all the way around and a belly up skid plate. That kit is 2600.
So you think it's that kit then with aftermarket shocks?
What's the best way to measure how much lift I have?
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:44 PM   #36
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Also, What do we think is the problem with the gas gauge?
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:52 PM   #37
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Like I said. I'd have to see the arms and skid. But considering you also have the sway bar I'd say yeah. Gauge is probably a bad sending unit. I tink you have to drop the tank to replace that.
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1) Like I said. I'd have to see the arms and skid. But considering you also have the sway bar I'd say yeah.
2) Gauge is probably a bad sending unit. I tink you have to drop the tank to replace that.
1)I'll try to get some pictures once I get it.

2) Great...
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:20 PM   #39
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Not a hard fix. Tank is held up by 6 bolts. I
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Not a hard fix. Tank is held up by 6 bolts. I
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:59 PM   #41
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Well this kinda sucks. I ran the VIN number and it popped up with rebuilt on 3 different dates. Do you guys think it could have been put as a rebuilt because of all of the modifications or what?
First record is 7/24/2001 with 9100 Miles
Second record is 1/21/2005 with 9100 Miles
Last record was 03/01/2005 with 59,000 Miles
I'm really hoping that the guy that has it now isn't the last record because he's had it for longer than I thought...
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Those numbers are weird.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:28 AM   #43
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Numbers aren't making sense. In 4 years the jeep wasn't driven but somehow had to be rebuilt? The mods done wouldn't show up on carfax as rebuild. Something could have happened like a wreck and the owner could have gone with upgrade instead of replacing factory parts. I know I said to pull the trigger on it but you may want to do a little more digging now.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:44 AM   #44
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I agree. Do some digging. Those numbers don't look right. Now definitely have your mechanic look at it.
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0 miles between 01 and 05 and 50k in a couple of months in 05? Weird.
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Called the court house first thing this morning to make sure the title was even transferable, that checked out, so we're ok there.
Now here's where we hit a snag...
Called Progressive and they said that they CAN insure it but they need to know if it was ever a Salvage or it was just a theft, left sitting and never updated on registration, etc. The biggest problem is that if we file a claim, we have to have receipts for everything on the Jeep, otherwise those parts don't exist to them.

One thing we did find out is that under Progressive you can't have more than a 4" lift
I'm assuming it only has a 4" lift because that's the highest that Teraflex offers and I looked and it doesn't have a BL to my knowledge.

We called the guy currently selling it and he was completely shocked and didn't know about it being a rebuilt or anything of the sort. He said he would go home when he had a chance and see if he could get the previous owners number and give it to us. This will give me both a chance to find out who did the modifications as well as get all the paper work I'll need.

I also just got off the phone with my mechanic and he said running a carfax wouldn't give me anymore information than I already had. He did say that he has done some rebuilt titles himself (I assume he was flipping them) on cars that had hardly any damage that had been "salvaged" and he told me that there's a lot of paper work and inspections to go through but if I didn't mind, I could get a good deal out of it. He also told me that you have to send all paper work to the state capital (in this case, Nashville) whenever you finish all of the modifications and everything so if the previous owner can't find his paperwork, Nashville should still have all of it.

I'll give them a call shortly.

So...What do you guys think?
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:11 PM   #47
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Guy called us back and gave us the full story.
Original owner bought it for his daughter with like 2000 miles on it or something like that from a dealership. Then her boyfriend stole it and it sat for a few years (explains why the mileage never changed) then it ended up at a dealership where the guy that did all the modifications to it bought it. Then the original buyer bought it back and his daughter took it to college with her and hardly drove it. Then the current owner bought it off him when the daughter was wanting something else I guess.

Pretty much the reason it has a rebuilt title is because it was stolen. The current owner went ahead and ran a car fax report and sent it over so now we're looking that over now. There was a 4th owner from what the records show but he hardly put any mileage on it before selling it.

Now I'm on the hunt to find these receipts so I'll be set for the insurance. I'm still going to have my mechanic give a look over because the car fax did show that there was a wreck/accident/damage (doesn't go into detail really) at some point.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:34 PM   #48
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Gave the capital a call and they told me that I personally do not have to keep any records other than what I personally have done to it. All records from previous owners have to be pulled by my insurance from the state. I went ahead and called my insurance back and a different agent backed that up. He also said that the first agent we talked to was right, there is a 4" max height for lifted vehicles so I'll have to keep an eye on that if I want to be insured (also if I want to fit the thing in my garage for that matter).

Trying to work out something with the guy to have him drop it by my mechanic Friday morning to have it looked over.

If everything looks good, is that a good price? He sounded pretty firm on the $7,800 so I may just leave it alone. What do you guys think?
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:53 PM   #49
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Question still stands, if it everything checks out should I go through with the $7,800 we agreed on or try and haggle with him because of the rebuilt title? I'm thinking the price is pretty fair for what it is, what do you guys think?
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Rebuilt title, it took him awhile to come clean with the story and who knows if that is the truth. I would start lower than $7800 and see what happens.
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Rebuilt title, it took him awhile to come clean with the story and who knows if that is the truth. I would start lower than $7800 and see what happens.
He seriously said he didn't know it was a rebuilt. He hardly even knows anything about the Jeep. If some problems pop up, I may try and talk him down some. We agreed on $7,800 after I talked him down when I went to check it out but that was when it had a clean title, now it doesn't...
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Weird stuff is weird, but doesn't effect the deal as a whole. Salvage title for theft is a bit different than damage, but as you are finding out, salvage regs are different state to state.

The part I'm hung up on is progressive as an insurance company. I will never again have anything to do with any insurance company that will not insure people because of the breed of dog they have.

If the jeep is worth it to you and you can license it, insure it, and it runs out alright then why not buy it?
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:42 PM   #53
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Weird stuff is weird, but doesn't effect the deal as a whole. Salvage title for theft is a bit different than damage, but as you are finding out, salvage regs are different state to state.

The part I'm hung up on is progressive as an insurance company. I will never again have anything to do with any insurance company that will not insure people because of the breed of dog they have.

If the jeep is worth it to you and you can license it, insure it, and it runs out alright then why not buy it?
Never said I wouldn't buy it. Now that I have cleared everything with my insurance, found out that I CAN register it, I'm comepltely fine with buying it. I just want to have my mechanic look it over to make me feel better.
I'm thinking that $7,800 is a fair deal seeing how with all the upgrades on it + the price of the Jeep would go for around $14,000 or so with a clean title.
I remembered someone telling me that they had picked up a rebuilt bone stock that drove fine for like $5,000. With all the stuff on this Jeep I think it's a fair deal. If anything pops up during the inspection, I may talk him down a couple hundred depending on the problem.
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Pending damage from the wreck, I would also take it to a body/ frame shop. 7800 is not bad your getting a 2200 transfer case, lift guessing another 800-1500 (pending the lift and controll arms), then 1200 in tires and rims, 600 on the winch. All in all seems like it could be a good deal
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Pending damage from the wreck, I would also take it to a body/ frame shop. 7800 is not bad your getting a 2200 transfer case, lift guessing another 800-1500 (pending the lift and controll arms), then 1200 in tires and rims, 600 on the winch. All in all seems like it could be a good deal
Lift actually goes for around $2,600 (still need to identify the kit though) and the winch I believe goes for $1,200. You're probably right on the rims and tires though.

I guess I won't try and haggle with him. If something does come up during the inspection, I may try and talk him down just a bit.
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Did you buy it? The craigslist ad says it was deleted by author.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:49 PM   #57
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Haven't bought it yet. Trying to contact the guy to meet and pick it up tomorrow and take it to my mechanic. Hopefully he will reply in time tomorrow for me to go and pick it up.

He may have just deleted one of the ads because he still has the ad under my city up.
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We called the guy currently selling it and he was completely shocked and didn't know about it being a rebuilt or anything of the sort.
The ad indicates it has a rebuilt title, so I'd assume the owner added that later?

From my observations pricing these, the rebuilt title will drive the price down - irrespective of cause. This should be a consideration if you plan to resell it at any point in the near future. A theft recovery is generally favorable to a wreck, unless the thief went wild and stripped everything/damaged parts in the process. All pricing guides are dependent on a clean title, so salvage drops valuation below the least favorable price - usually private party fair/poor condition.

All that said, KBB (for one) quotes Fair in the 8's, and this one has some quality upgrades. Again, if you plan to resell, the buyer will likely expect a good discount over a clear title vehicle, even if yours is cleaner.

Best of luck in getting the information you need.
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I have the ad bookmarked. Here's the description:
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2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0 auto, lifted on 35's with terraflex suspension, dual stick t case, 8k warn winch, smittybuilt bumpers with spare tire swing out, matching spare with brand new tire, piaa windshield mounted lights, locking metal console, kenwood cd, polk audio speakers, avalanche rock sliders. Countless hours and dollars have been spent on this rig! Turns heads everwhere you go! Hard top and soft top are included. Only 83,000 miles. Asking $8500 obo thanks Trades considered
Well, We've been going back and forth with the guy all day today on when we could pick it up/have him bring it to my mechanic. After we had exchanged phone calls and text messages, we finally gain some ground. He doesn't have it insured so he doesn't want to drive it all the way to us, nor have us pick it up (even though we would be covered driving it). He said if we were to pick it up and take it to our mechanic, he would have to come with us. Jeep doesn't go anywhere without him if we take it.

Now we're trying to locate a mechanic in Parsons, TN that we can trust and not one that he recommends (to avoid any hand shaking going on). If anyone knows of a Shop in Parsons/Lexington that is a good reputable mechanic, let me know ASAP. I think I may have found a place so we're going to give them a call tomorrow and see if we can have it checked out (it's in Lexington but that's close enough) tomorrow and hopefully come to a deal.
Here's the link to the place I'm talking about:
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Did some searching and found a shop just outside of Parsons that said they could look over the body, frame etc but they don't do mechanical stuff and said they allow the local Ford Dealership/Shop to do all of their mechanical work. We gave the Ford place a call, worked out a time and everything and the owner said he would take the Jeep over there on Monday. Hopefully everything checks out and I'll be a fellow Jeeper soon!

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