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Old 01-28-2011, 07:02 PM   #1
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Help me please :( WON'T TURN OVER!!!

Hey guys, my wrangler won't start . Battery is fine, as lights, radio, dash etc is coming on fine and battery voltage is at normal. It just won't turn over at all, not even making a noise.....no nothing. No click. What could it be??? I tried disconnecting andf reconnecting the battery andd jumping. Still nothing. What do you all think? Where is the starter on a 2.5 4 cyl?? I read that giving it a good whack can sometimes loosen it up....but I couldn't locate the starter unfortunately. PLEASE HELP!!! It is stuck at a buddies house and don't want to leave it there. It had been starting and running just fine. I only let it sit for a day and a half there from being at work. Please let me know where the starter is so I can try that method and let me know what you guys suggest on doing please ....

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Starter is going to be on the rear/bottom of the engine. Most likely the right side. Are you sure it's not the battery? Battery's can have 12 volts and enough power to run accessories but not enough amperage to crank the engine over. When jumping you have to make sure you get a really good connection to the battery posts.

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I made sure it was connected tight when jumping. Lights don't dim out or nothing. I don't get it.....I really don't know what to do at this point....
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I know it may sound dumb, but clean your battery leads and terminals with a brush. I had the same problem. Even though my leads and terminals looked perfect, once I cleaned them it started right up and I haven't had a problem since.
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What are your quages doing when you turn the key? Are you tach and speedo jumping? I have to agree that it sounds like either the battery or the cables. As stated above you should clean the terminals and connectors with a wire brush and make sure to get any and all corrosion off. Even the smallest amount can lead to a no start. When you replace the cables be sure that they are tight enough that you can not move them at all with your hands. If that doesn't do it, it could be the cables themselves.
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To at least be able to drive it home, have someone help you push-start it. Even if the starter won't turn, you should still be able to push start it.

So there is absolutely not even a very subtle clicking when you turn the ignition key to Start? Listen for a click inside the power distribution center box inside the engine compartment, the PDC is located on the passenger-side fender well directly in front of the battery. There is a small "Starter Relay" inside that should cllick softly when you turn the ignition key to Start. That Starter Relay in turn energizes the big starter relay located on the starter motor where the engine bolts to the transmission, underneath.

If that small relay inside the PDC is clicking, the problem is likely with the starter motor itself. Check its connections.

Last question... turn your headlights on and watch what they do when someone else turns the ignition key to Start. If the headligts shut off, your battery is likely too dead to energize the starter. If they stay on full brightness, that narrows it down to the starter, starter solenoid, or starter relay inside the PDC... or the ignition switch itself.

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Cables or maybe need a new battery. But you say when you turn the key the lights don't dim and neither do the interior lights? If the lights are not dimming and the starter is not clicking after you clean the terminals, then I would start looking at the starter. Most likely a bad solenoid. You could try then tapping the starter with a hammer or use the old screwdriver method but I would try to stay away from the screwdriver method if you don't know what you're doing
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What are your quages doing when you turn the key? Are you tach and speedo jumping? I have to agree that it sounds like either the battery or the cables. As stated above you should clean the terminals and connectors with a wire brush and make sure to get any and all corrosion off. Even the smallest amount can lead to a no start. When you replace the cables be sure that they are tight enough that you can not move them at all with your hands. If that doesn't do it, it could be the cables themselves.
X2...When I had the problem, the gauges would bounce all over the place for a bit.
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Just got back from going over it again. No bounce on the guages...all come on and ligh up normally. Lights do NOT dim at all even when trying to start it. There IS a very soft click when trying to start it....but hardly noticeable....tried tappin the starter with a hammer and still nothing. Battery is completely fine. Just can't get er to crank. Should I purchase a new starter and slap one on? I cleaned the terminals as well...how would I go about putting in a new ignition switch? Guess it's one of the two??? I'm just so puzzled, and really want to have my jeep back again lol..miss driving it already.
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Where is that soft click coming from? That relay I told you about in the Power Distribution Center? If that relay is clicking then you either have a bad connection between the battery and the starter motor, or the starter motor needs replacing since the starter solenoid is not replaceable separately.
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I wasn't able to have anyone hear the sound. It's just one quick soft click somewhere.....but i had trouble in the past where my jeep wouldn't start...and then trying to start it later...lights would come on dim and then be fully working again. My brother took to advanced to check the battery, and they said it prolly has a bad connection. I don't know what "connection." Where can I buy a new cable for it? guess the cables that run down to the starter to the battery I'm assuming? I looked underneath, and saw at the end of the black wrapped wires a little but of the gold/silverish wires explosed..like a milimeter..with junk and crap on it but tried brushing off. That didn't help either. And when you mean starter motor....you mean the whole starter itself? How much should a cable cost and a new starter at a parts store???? I just need a vehicle! I feel miserable
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I was very careful to describe the location of the Starter Relay inside the PDC (power distribution center) above so you could stick your ear next to it or touch it with your finger to see if you can hear/feel it clicking. Did you not do that as was already suggested above?
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Are you talking about the fuze box in front of the battery???? I wanted to, but didn't have anyone to hear or touch it for me while I tried turning...but used my ear for best judgement. Regardless, I'm going to take the starter off tomorrow and have it tested to see it's it. I'm really hoping that's all it is....it'll be an easy fix for me with a decent price.
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BTW, which one is the starter soleniod????? I don't have an owners manual unfortunately....i may try replacing that first guessing that it's a cheap part..
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The starter RELAY is inside the PDC as described above. Look underneath the PDC's lid, you'll find a diagram that labels all the fuses and relays. The starter SOLENOID is on the starter motor but as already mentioned above, it is not replaceable separately.
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Could it be the clutch position switch?
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Could it be the clutch position switch?
That's a darned good suggestion. Look in your Owner's Manual KentuckyWrangler for the location of where to install the Clutch Safety Interlock Bypass fuse. On my TJ it's location #20 behind the glove box door but that varies by model year. That and make sure to step down on the clutch just in case because that clutch interlock switch is in the starter circuit.

Or if it's an automatic, try moving the shifter between Park and Neutral to see if that helps since the automatic's park/neutral-safety switch is also in the starter circuit.
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That's a darned good suggestion. Look in your Owner's Manual KentuckyWrangler for the location of where to install the Clutch Safety Interlock Bypass fuse. On my TJ it's location #20 behind the glove box door but that varies by model year. That and make sure to step down on the clutch just in case because there is a clutch interlock switch in the starter circuit.

Or if it's an automatic, try moving the shifter between Park and Neutral to see if that helps.

Yea.....I had an old car way back when....I had to wiggle the shifter to get it right in the sweet spot to start......
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Yes, it's a stick. I don't know what to do first tomorrow really. Starter should only take 20 minutes to take out at max. I'll probably go get it tested and narrow it down from there. That way iI should know what is going on with it. As said, I don't have an owners manual and it's super aggravating. I'll get one asap now. I just don't know why is is doing this when it has been completely fine. It did act funny when trying to start before, but that was because the connection with around the battery would get loose sometimes, but now that everything around the battery is pretty tight and secure and everything working, it's now having starting issues
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All I can say at this point is that I hope you have thoroughly read all the suggestions above and haven't skipped over any of them. With you going about it systematically and doing as suggested above, you will be able to isolate the problem. Clutch interlock bypass fuse, is the starter relay clicking, etc.
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Will do. Thank you SOOOOO much for all the wonderful info. I will print this out as well. Hopefully I will be able to locate the issue tomorrow as I really miss driving her so much. Again, there is tons of useful info in this thread and I know that it HAS to be one of the solutions listed...
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Check the fuse first, takes 20 seconds. The Clutch Safety Interlock Bypass fuse. On my TJ it's location #20 behind the glove box door but that varies by model year. (Per JB's suggestion)
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Hey man I had a similar problem but my 00 TJ would crank but not start turned out it was me getting water on the distributer cap and wires causing corrosion and what not inside the cap, have you check all electrical components? Like a guy told me all you need to start your jeep is power, spark, and fuel check those areas and I hope you find the cure
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Make sure it's in neutral, set the parking brake, and block the wheels so it doesn't roll.

Get under it, look at the starter. You'll see the battery cable and next to it a small wire connected to the starter. That rounded "lump" is the solenoid.

Use a screwdriver or jumper to short between the big cable and the small wire.

If it makes the engine spin it's not the starter at fault. Turn the key on and jumper it again to let it start - at least you can drive it home or somewhere more convenient.

Jumpering won't make it crank? Replace starter.
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Im not exactly sure where to place the screwdriver, but ill try...
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I'd buy a cheap multimeter (if you don't already have one) and make sure I had power at the starter before pulling it. I'm lazy and get even lazier the older I get. Why do extra work?
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I'd buy a cheap multimeter (if you don't already have one) and make sure I had power at the starter before pulling it. I'm lazy and get even lazier the older I get. Why do extra work?
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