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Old 08-19-2014, 06:24 AM   #1
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Help required picking tires for 20" rims

So one day decided instead of selling my truck ill actually spend some money on her. (1997 tj softop sport). So first thing i do is i order a set of rims for my truck. But after paying half as a deposit i kinda clicked that 20" rims are going to be a PAIN in the ASS to find cheap tires for here. (New Zealand).

So iv been quoted two options at various prices. Iv been offered many others but i want to keep some of its beefy look.

So does anyone know which of these two i should go for?

Achilles XMT 33x12.50R20 $470ea
Nitto Mud Grapplers 33x12.50R20 $796ea

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You're not going to get a lot of help with this I'd guess. This will be based on principle. For many Jeep owners putting 20" wheels on one is treason, and punishable by death.

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Yeah, not only a matter of principal, but also - directly because of this - a complete lack of experience. We pretty much don't do that on the TJ and YJ side of the Wrangler coin. Many of us still happily run 15" rims.

The new JKs roll on 18" rims. (My TJ has 15s and my 2013 JK has 17s.)

Maybe some of those fellows could help you, as some of them *do* run aftermarket rims close to that in size. Remember that a JK can run 33s on a bone stock suspension. (Mine has 33" tires on 17" rims with a 2.5" lift and they look tiny.) Most JKs come stock with 32s on 17" rims. The first upgrade most of those guys make is a move from 32 to 35" tires, and many up the rim size at the same time.

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In New Zealand it is illegal to put 20s on a wrangler. Are you a S. Cal transplant?
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In New Zealand it is illegal to put 20s on a wrangler. Are you a S. Cal transplant?
Ok i dont understand what you mean here but so long as tires and dont rub I thought the sky was the limit to be honest. Yes I know the 20" rims arnt going to be the best but I do feel it will look good. Theyre the XD811 rockstar 2. Im stuck with the best option of finding tires that fit now and just cutting my losses. Does anyone know much on those two tires or aee they in the same ballpark?
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That is what I am after. Yes I know its a jk (I would love one) but my old girl is trusty so its staying.
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Holy crap. I hope you know you opened a BIG can of worms by going with 20" wheels. Not only are there a small selection of tires to choose from for 20" rims, but they are REALLY expensive as well.

Say with the price you listed you buy 4 tires of the Achilles blabla. That is, 470 * 4 = $1880

Now say you instead bought 15" rims and instead purchased a set of Goodyear MTR for around $250 each, 250 * 4 = $1000

You just paid $800 more for less rubber.

Now, you said you want to keep its beefy look, and you said how its going to be a pain to find cheap tires. I suggest that you ditch the 20" rims (Looks ridiculous), and instead pick up a set of nice 15" or 17" rims. That way you'll open up your options to a better selection of tires and most importantly, it will be A LOT cheaper.

You will save more money in the long run by switching to 17" or 15" rims then you will staying with the 20"s.
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Oh god please tell me you are not seriously considering 20in Bling Bling wheels on a wrangler
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Holy crap. I hope you know you opened a BIG can of worms by going with 20" wheels. Not only are there a small selection of tires to choose from for 20" rims, but they are REALLY expensive as well.

Say with the price you listed you buy 4 tires of the Achilles blabla. That is, 470 * 4 = $1880

Now say you instead bought 15" rims and instead purchased a set of Goodyear MTR for around $250 each, 250 * 4 = $1000

You just paid $800 more for less rubber.

Now, you said you want to keep its beefy look, and you said how its going to be a pain to find cheap tires. I suggest that you ditch the 20" rims (Looks ridiculous), and instead pick up a set of nice 15" or 17" rims. That way you'll open up your options to a better selection of tires and most importantly, it will be A LOT cheaper.

You will save more money in the long run by switching to 17" or 15" rims then you will staying with the 20"s.
^^^THIS

Even 17" rims will net you a smaller than necessary list of tires that will fit.

My JK has 17x9 rims. I do not happen to want or even like 35" tires. Personal preference. I wanted 33x12.5R17 tires. Even with the years of popularity of the larger size, many very popular tires are not made in that size. I had to get some slightly smaller, narrower metric ones in order to get the brand and model I wanted. And even then they were ONLY available in Load Range E or D, which drive like they are made of cement. The *only* way to get exactly what I want for my JK is to switch to a 15" rim model that will work with the JK's slightly larger brake calipers.

But most 15" rims are not available in the JK's 5 on 5 bolt pattern. The market that drive the tire producers does not clamor for 15" 5 on 5" rims. It clamors for 15" 5 on 4.5" rims. Meaning TJs. But my JK woes are another story.

If you want 35" tires then larger rims will have some choices, but most are lower profile than what you would want off road. Lower profile sidewalls could lead to an alloy rim getting cracked or a steel one being bent.

And 20" rims scream "pimp my ride". If that is the look you want and you do not care about functionality then there are some nice and aggressive tires that will fit your Rock Stars. But they will be lower profile unless you get 35" or larger.

And 35" or larger on a TJ will require some major surgery to the suspension and driveline to make it all work.

Again, cut your losses and sell the Rock Stars. They only look good on large pickups anyway. Get some actual TJ rims that were made for your rig. There are hundreds of choices. And that size is still dominant over the JK, so there are many more tire choices for you.

Anyway, personal tastes aside, it is your rig, so get whatever makes you happy. But our tires cost a lot already. Tossing in such an unpopular size of rim as a 20" and you stand to spend much, much more of the filthy lucre than you need to simply to get something that not only fits the rim but also fits the restrictions of your jeep's fenders and suspension. And never forget the very important Load Rating of the tire. A lightweight TJ needs Load Range C tires.

As far as tire sidewall profiles go, "Just say no to low!" HAHAHA!!!

Cheers!
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20" rims aren't TERRIBLE on a TJ, provided you wrap them in 40"+ rubber. Might has well swap in some D60's while you're at it so you can make use of the extra brake rotor space.
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20" rims aren't TERRIBLE on a TJ, provided you wrap them in 40"+ rubber. Might has well swap in some D60's while you're at it so you can make use of the extra brake rotor space.
The funny thing about this is that im not sure if people are joking or not. My knowledge of trucks isnt very much. When off road theres a few of us and we keep going till were stuck then spend hours digging our way out etc. If anything breaks we tend to replace with higher rated specs and keep going.

The point of the rims were basicly to keep a bit of a (to put it bluntly) poncy city look while still being more than capable of making my own tracks. I know with the lack of rubber to protect the rims im going to have to be carefull. Rims are 9" wide and most of the tires are 12.5 wide so it will help allot with side damage. I dont care about scratching them or a few dints here and there. Adds a bit of character. To be honest I actually think they look quite good but needs the extra tread around the sides other wise I fear ill be stuck in the hairdresser category and the jeep will disown me.
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Oh god please tell me you are not seriously considering 20in Bling Bling wheels on a wrangler
I dont want bling bling, id probably rather shoot myself in the foot than that. Theyre matte black the rims and im wanting tread, and lots of it. The 33" tire is simply because if I go higher im going to have to spend even more on the lift kits and im already spending more on her than what I bought it for
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this will also make ur jeep ride worse than it already does .
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As mentioned above, for the price it will cost you for one set of tires, you could buy a set of nice 15x8 rims and the tires to go on them, then sell the 20's. You'll be much further ahead the next time you buy tires and the 15" rims will hold up much better to airing down and trail damage.
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^^^THIS

Even 17" rims will net you a smaller than necessary list of tires that will fit.

My JK has 17x9 rims. I do not happen to want or even like 35" tires. Personal preference. I wanted 33x12.5R17 tires. Even with the years of popularity of the larger size, many very popular tires are not made in that size. I had to get some slightly smaller, narrower metric ones in order to get the brand and model I wanted. And even then they were ONLY available in Load Range E or D, which drive like they are made of cement. The *only* way to get exactly what I want for my JK is to switch to a 15" rim model that will work with the JK's slightly larger brake calipers.

But most 15" rims are not available in the JK's 5 on 5 bolt pattern. The market that drive the tire producers does not clamor for 15" 5 on 5" rims. It clamors for 15" 5 on 4.5" rims. Meaning TJs. But my JK woes are another story.

If you want 35" tires then larger rims will have some choices, but most are lower profile than what you would want off road. Lower profile sidewalls could lead to an alloy rim getting cracked or a steel one being bent.

And 20" rims scream "pimp my ride". If that is the look you want and you do not care about functionality then there are some nice and aggressive tires that will fit your Rock Stars. But they will be lower profile unless you get 35" or larger.

And 35" or larger on a TJ will require some major surgery to the suspension and driveline to make it all work.

Again, cut your losses and sell the Rock Stars. They only look good on large pickups anyway. Get some actual TJ rims that were made for your rig. There are hundreds of choices. And that size is still dominant over the JK, so there are many more tire choices for you.

Anyway, personal tastes aside, it is your rig, so get whatever makes you happy. But our tires cost a lot already. Tossing in such an unpopular size of rim as a 20" and you stand to spend much, much more of the filthy lucre than you need to simply to get something that not only fits the rim but also fits the restrictions of your jeep's fenders and suspension. And never forget the very important Load Rating of the tire. A lightweight TJ needs Load Range C tires.

As far as tire sidewall profiles go, "Just say no to low!" HAHAHA!!!

Cheers!
Thanks for the help. Well the rockstars have been orderd. So im going to see what the tires look like and make it work. If its illegal here or I do look like a wana be pimp my ride bling bling douche I guess ill lets you guys know and you can laugh at me some more. And then of course sell it and do what EVERYONE else has done. 15-17" rims withs 33"tires.

What do you guys reckon? (I ask because you deal with possible muppets all day so you get to see the befores and afters )

PS some photo examples would be nice if someone knows where to find them.

Thanks for everyones input!
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this will also make ur jeep ride worse than it already does .
Ew ew ew ew ew ew argh.... thats burning my eyes. Is that really 20" and 33"???

Google Image Result for http://www.kctrends.com/inetlocate_upload/927/IMG_6865.JPG

Thats the look I wanted :/ not that poor white wrangler.... RIP
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this look is with 18 inch wheels the white wrangler picture above is with 20's
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Pretty sure I'd rather set my Jeep on cinder blocks and watch it rot to dust than put on 20's...it's not your buddies caddy. All's it is is less tire for more dollars and more metal to scrape the rocks.
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this look is with 18 inch wheels the white wrangler picture above is with 20's
That is indeed 18" wheels.
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Do your thing man! I've always liked the look of Grapplers but that is a ton of money to spend on some rubber.

Make your Jeep work for you and what you do with it. I'm not going to lie, I mainly opened this thread to see you getting bashed but I like that you are refusing to follow the norm and accepted practices that have been established in the Jeep world.

Make it your own and share your experience when you're done.
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Do your thing man! I've always liked the look of Grapplers but that is a ton of money to spend on some rubber.

Make your Jeep work for you and what you do with it. I'm not going to lie, I mainly opened this thread to see you getting bashed but I like that you are refusing to follow the norm and accepted practices that have been established in the Jeep world.

Make it your own and share your experience when you're done.
Thanks mate. Yeah I hate to be the same as everyone and yes now seeing the 20" rims Im surprised the store even let me buy them. So iv got the ball rolling and im cutting my costs to send them back for a set of 18s after we have probably confirmed that they look like ****.
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I went to 5on5 early this year. Put 2014 Sahara wheels and tires on. The 18" do make the TJ look different, but get a lot of compliments on it.
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OP, regardless on your unpopular choice of wheel size, whichever tire/wheel combo you go with you want to make sure your "truck" is properly geared for them.
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Just say no.
I guess im too much of a nice guy to say no. After acouple months I should be able to on sell them if worst comes to the worst. I just think that the picture of that jk with those rims and tires looks beasty as and with the tread itd be good off road... This is a perfect example of listening to what the tire/wheel man is saying and listening to what the guys who have had experience with trucks are saying.

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