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Old 08-22-2010, 02:23 AM   #1
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Just got a used 2004 tj X with factory stereo and audio. Can anyone give me some advice with upgrading my speakers to be able to get some good loud crisp music without distortion? Not looking for anything major like subs. Just wanna be able to crank it up and enjoy fine music of all kinds.
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Old 08-22-2010, 02:26 AM   #2
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Sony. Alpine. Clarion. Infinity. Pioneer. Just to name a few.

Any name brand speaker will do you just fine. If you are concerned about moisture destroying the speakers, look into composite speakers. Or use the search button. You are prolly the 500th person to ask about this very thing.

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hahah okay thanks
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Keep one very important speaker specification word in the back of your mind while selecting a speaker for a stock head unit that doesn't put out a lot of power. "Sensitivity". If you buy speakers with a low Sensitivity rating, they could be otherwise excellent quality speakers but still not sound good without also adding an external amplifier.

Having a higher sensitivity rating means the speaker requires less power to drive it. Speakers with a higher Sensitivity rating, like 91 dB, will sound MUCH better when connected to a standard head unit than a speaker of similar quality but with only, say, an 85 dB Sensitivity rating. Polk is one brand of speaker that is known to generally have higher sensitivity ratings like 91 or 92 dB that work well with a stock head unit.

And don't rely on a speaker's huge wattage rating printed in screaming big lettering on the packaging to make you think it will play loud. It won't with a stock head unit. A speaker that is rated to 250 watts doesn't mean it will be louder than a speaker rated to only, say, 50 watts. In fact, with the typically smaller wattage power available from a head unit, the 50 watt rated speaker is likely to be the much better choice since it likely won't need nearly as much power to drive it.

So if you stick with speakers with a Sensitivity rating of at least 90 dB or higher, they will work well without the need for an external amplifier. Don't be fazed by a speaker's wattage rating which is usually very misleading unless you know what it really means.
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thankyou very much.
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Old 08-22-2010, 03:47 PM   #6
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If you aren't happy with your speakers, first replace the head unit. Just replaced mine and made my factory speakers come alive! I may still upgrade some day but have no immediate need now.
Head unit replacement is quick and simple!
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Speakers are always the first thing that should be upgraded, they are the key to a good sounding system. You can install the right spec'd $250 speakers onto a $100 receiver and it will sound like a $250 combination. Install $100 speakers onto a $250 receiver and it will sound like a $100 combination. I came from the very high-end commercial (no home or car stereo stuff) audio industry and the right speakers were always our main concern. Nearly any amplifier can do the job but not nearly any speaker can.

Same thing with 2-way radios and antennas. The key to good communications is all about the antenna with very little of that due to the radio.
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P.S. Only if someone installed the wrong aftermarket speakers (too low of a Sensitivity rating) that required more power than the head unit could deliver would installing a new more powerful head unit help.
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Old 08-22-2010, 08:54 PM   #9
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Yeah i was looking into replacing all 4 speakers (head unit and front speakers) but ill look into just replacing the sound wedge speakers. Would you suggest getting a sound bar or just replacing the speakers? which would be cheaper and which would sound better?
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Personally, I would retain the soundbar and just install some 6.5" Polks into it, they are direct replacements for the factory 5.25" speakers.
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Pioneers Premier line of stereos is very nice, it's their high end line, love mine, I have had a couple and have never failed for me...
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Stock head unit is junk-replace it!Add in good speakers,any name brand,like Alpine,Pioneer,Kenwood,etc.,but don't buy the cheaper lines at Wal-Mart or Sears-go to a reputable dealer in your area and ask an installer,not a salesman,for advice.I managed a car audio install shop for 18 years.Stock will sound ok,but never as good as aftermarket head unit.Most speakers are very similar,until you enter level 3(VERY EXPENSIVE),and salesmen just want to take your money.You can take any decent head unit,and play it on crappy Radio Shack speakers,and it will sound better than a stock head unit!
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Personally, I would retain the soundbar and just install some 6.5" Polks into it, they are direct replacements for the factory 5.25" speakers.
I did exactly that, and 5.25 polks in the dash... along with my new Pioneer head unit, it sounds tons better than stock, for not too much cash...
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Sorry to hijack , Jerry I have a question for you, Im looking to replace my sound bar and dash speakers , willl I get good sound for around 100 (50 bucks a set) or am I better off investing a bit more say 200 for the 4 speakers. I just dont want to regret being a cheapskate like whne I bought my TV. 2 months later I realized I bought too small

I just bought a head unit *sony mex/bt3800U for the ipod input

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Even though I just got my jeep I have been into car audio for 15 years and have always gone with high end products. Here is the thing with the jeep, Jerry was dead on with sensitivity, the higher they are the more efficient they are. My 98 that I bought 1 month ago came with a crappy aftermarket cd player and the stock 4x6's in the dash. I replaced with 4x6's with Alpine Type S and installed a sound bar immediately took out the speakers it came with and installed Alpine 6.5 coax speakers. I have these 4 speakers and 2 JL 10's in a box behind the back seat all powered by a Alpine PDX 5 channel amp. I am not saying you need to go this route but it sounds incredible. I can easily hit the highway at 65 with the top down and here it clear as day.

There great think about today's aftermarket head units a lot of them have built in crossovers and are much more powerful then your stock head unit. I would piece it out if I were you. If this speakers are stock, replace them, then move into a head unit. Once you get tired of that add an amp and a sub. You will be pleasantly surprised how different it will sound.

P.S. I would go with a speakers that has really good highs, I personally have always gone with speakers with incredible mid range and mid bass but what you have to realize it once the road noise starts you can't hear hardly any of that. You want a speaker that can play loud and have great highs. Hope this helps!
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Sorry to hijack , Jerry I have a question for you, Im looking to replace my sound bar and dash speakers , willl I get good sound for around 100 (50 bucks a set) or am I better off investing a bit more say 200 for the 4 speakers. I just dont want to regret being a cheapskate like whne I bought my TV. 2 months later I realized I bought too small

I just bought a head unit *sony mex/bt3800U for the ipod input

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Read post #4 again where the speaker's Sensitivity rating is stressed so much. With a stock head unit, it's not about the price of the speakers, it's about if the speakers have a high enough of a Sensitivity rating to be driven to a satisfying volume (loudness) by a stock head unit.

You'd likely be happier with $100 worth of high sensitivity speakers than $200 of low sensitivity speakers that require a lot of watts from a powerful amplifier to drive. Polk is one brand of speaker that is not expensive yet has a high enough sensitivity rating to sound good with a stock (which means low power) head unit.

Look for speakers with nothing less than about 90 or 91 dB of Sensitivity with 91 or 92 being even better.

In other words, $1000 speakers with an 81 dB Sensitivity rating wouldn't sound as good as $200 speakers that have a 92 dB Sensitivity rating when both are driven by the same low-wattage stock head unit or low power amplifier.
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Just got a used 2004 tj X with factory stereo and audio. Can anyone give me some advice with upgrading my speakers to be able to get some good loud crisp music without distortion? Not looking for anything major like subs. Just wanna be able to crank it up and enjoy fine music of all kinds.
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I replaced the factory sub with a brand new one, it's a 6" sub. The I put in 4 new aftermarket speakers but I am drawing a blank on what kind they are! I'll have to let you know!
Then I put in a new head unit with Bluetooth and iPod hook up! It all came out to about $630 and sounds great!
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Hey guys how about with an aftermarket kenwood excelon radio, and stock speakers I would like to replace the speakers and have been doing some research. I like the polks but what a
Worried about is I need some bass (and no I don't want to put a sub) Which would u recommend i was looking at the pioneers. D class.

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