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Old 03-03-2013, 10:40 PM   #1
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Help with my first lift? TJ

Hey guys, so I am kind of knowledge-less when it comes to lifts but I really would like one for summer. I want to get 33" tires, so i am think anywhere from a 3-4" lift. I just do not know what to go for. The car is an everyday drive, mainly for roads, but if I wanted to off road, I would like the lift to be decent enough to do some off-roading. My price range is to not go above $600 BEFORE installation, as I am not exactly trying to break bank. Story of every jeepers life though I suppose. If you guys could throw out some suggestions with pictures and a link where to purchase the kit that would be awesome. Thanks everyone in advance I appreciate everything!

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Old 03-03-2013, 10:43 PM   #2
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it is a black 05 wrangler x by the way

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Old 03-03-2013, 11:04 PM   #3
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Not sure how your going to get a 3-4" lift for $600.
Take the money for install, and spend it on a lift and do the install yourself.
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:15 PM   #4
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Not sure how your going to get a 3-4" lift for $600.
Take the money for install, and spend it on a lift and do the install yourself.
Ate lifts hard to install by your self? I want to get one and have never done it before.
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:20 PM   #5
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Not sure how your going to get a 3-4" lift for $600.
Take the money for install, and spend it on a lift and do the install yourself.
i plan on spending more on installation. i meant the parts for 600 under if doable
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:22 PM   #6
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Depends on your experience with mechanics. I've been around lifted trucks and engines all my life so I know a lot about lifting, and mechanics. So for me its not that hard.
But now days they have videos and forums thatll walk you thru it. Just make sure you know the difference between a socket and ratchet and your set.
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:25 PM   #7
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Not saying this is the best or cheapest but
Check this out on AMZN:

Skyjacker TJ401BPH 4" Suspension Pallet Kit with Shocks for 97-02 Jeep Wrangler
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0035GQ4VK/..._am_us?ie=UTF8
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:24 AM   #8
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You guys are forgetting that once you do one thing to a vehicle you need to do other things. There are many issues that need to be addressed when lifting a vehicle, the main thing being your drive line angle. You also have to address gearing if you plan on getting bigger tires.
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:36 AM   #9
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A 3"-4" lift cannot be done properly for only $600. You need to do either a 2.5" lift and a 1.25" bl with a 1" mml. Or a full 4" lift if you want to run 33's. The full on 4" will require new driveshafts and an sye kit. Along with new control arms, track bars, longer brake lines, and possibly some steering hardware upgrades.
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:48 AM   #10
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33's are fit in two common ways on TJ's:

1. 4" suspension lift, with ~2" bumpstop extensions in front and ~2.5" in the rear. Requires a SYE/CV shaft and new rear control arms.
2. 2.5" suspension lift, with a 1.25" body lift, with ~1-1.25" bumpstop extensions in front and ~1.25-1.5" in the rear. The 1.25" BL usually accompanies a 1" Motor Mount Lift to offset some of the driveline angles.

Either way you go, figure on some or many of the following components: longer front brake lines, extended sway bar links front and rear, gears, brake and steering upgrades to accommodate larger tires, SYE, CV shaft, bumpstop extensions, new shocks, adjustable track bars, and a rear track bar bracket.

Here's how I fit 33s myself.
Pulled this from one of UnlimitedLJ04's posts (very knowledgable member here). It helped me alot to determine the route I ultimately took in ordering the DPG Offroad Ultimate kit, great products. I highly encourage you to look into the DPG Ultimate kit (comprised of Old Man Emu products) and the Zone 4.25" combo kit. Both are great quality and many members use these kits with great results.

And not trying to be mean but if any of the above confuses you or you haven't heard of it, parts or companies... You should probably do some more research before you pull the trigger on a lift. All of those are very basic components of a lift and the above mentioned companies are among the most popular companies for combo lifts.

And one last note, if you have access to a jack, jack stands, a decent set of tools (or go buy a $100 craftsman wrench and socket set), and a friend, you can do a lift on your own. I did mine, first lift I ever did and it came out perfect. And I'm 20, worked around cars a little when I was younger but by no means am I a professional mechanic. Just followed the directions and knew "righty tighty, lefty loosey".
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:04 AM   #11
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Here's a couple of pics of the lift I put on this weekend.

I'll start off by by saying that I've never worked on an automobile suspension before. I'm a pretty mechanically inclined person. But an amateur none the less. I also have a black TJ that's main purpose in life is a daily driver. That being said, I wanted decent off road ability and a nice aggressive look. After searching what felt like the entire www, I decided on this:

31 x 10.5 x 15 tires- from what I've read, 31's are about as big as you want to go while feeling confident in your stock gearing. Also, this particular size is somewhat cost effective to be using for on road miles. ( a lot of people will say that 33's are no prob whatsoever, I just erred on the safe side of the discussion. Also, I dig the way it turned out. I like a little space, not so stuffed)

15 x 8 steel wheels- very cost effective, with a classic/ modern look. You will also hear arguments for and against. I'm sure ill learn my lesson.

As far as the lift goes, I know I probably will never use the kit I went with to its fullest potential, but I wanted the availability there if I chose to use it. I also decided to spend my cash on the lift itself, and install it myself. As opposed to spending some on the lift, and a lot more on the install. I also took this on as a learning g experience. By doing the install myself, I now have a MUCH greater understanding of what's going on down there. If something were to (knock on wood) go wrong, I'm fairly confident I can diagnose and repair it myself.

Hope this helps, it just seemed like our situations were rather similar, and this example might help you in your search.

I usually try not to make a habit out of peddling free advertising, but my experience with Dirk from DPG was on par with the high level of respect and recommendations he receives on this forum. Give him a call, even if its just to ask about the packages he sells.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:11 AM   #12
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The most budget minded lift(IMO) to keep it around $600 for parts and most practical for you(mainly DD/light offroading/33" tires) would be 2" spacer lift, 1.25" BL, and a good set of shocks like OME or Bilsteins.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:34 AM   #13
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Pulled this from one of UnlimitedLJ04's posts (very knowledgable member here). It helped me alot to determine the route I ultimately took in ordering the DPG Offroad Ultimate kit, great products. I highly encourage you to look into the DPG Ultimate kit (comprised of Old Man Emu products) and the Zone 4.25" combo kit. Both are great quality and many members use these kits with great results.

And not trying to be mean but if any of the above confuses you or you haven't heard of it, parts or companies... You should probably do some more research before you pull the trigger on a lift. All of those are very basic components of a lift and the above mentioned companies are among the most popular companies for combo lifts.

And one last note, if you have access to a jack, jack stands, a decent set of tools (or go buy a $100 craftsman wrench and socket set), and a friend, you can do a lift on your own. I did mine, first lift I ever did and it came out perfect. And I'm 20, worked around cars a little when I was younger but by no means am I a professional mechanic. Just followed the directions and knew "righty tighty, lefty loosey".
I appreciate all the help and don't take it personally at all. I do want to learn more and do more research. I plan on it, is there a good forum to link to that explains things that you know of? I'm doing my best to learn about all this
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:49 AM   #14
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Honestly, I learned most everything I know from reading on this forum and jeepforum . com. Great sources of info. I personally don't like the search functions on the forums so I just use google and search and search and search. Click on the links to other suggested posts at the bottom of the page when you finish reading a post. Open lots of tabs and just read. If you read something you don't understand, go search it on google, figure out what it does, what purpose it serves. Then go back and see why someone added it to their rig. Figure out what you need and what you don't need for your own use.
Start off by learning about the differences in lifts. Don't worry about brands until you have a grasp of what you need to properly run the lift height you want. Then once you know what you need for that height, search for build write ups, or just search like: adjustable track bar tj. That's what I do and I usually get good results.
I know that's alot to take in. Trust me, just a year ago I was in your shoes, pretty confused and over-whelmed. Ha but if you have any questions feel free to ask me, if I don't know the answer, I'll try to go find it for you. Never hurts to learn more
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:28 PM   #15
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Honestly, I learned most everything I know from reading on this forum and jeepforum . com. Great sources of info. I personally don't like the search functions on the forums so I just use google and search and search and search. Click on the links to other suggested posts at the bottom of the page when you finish reading a post. Open lots of tabs and just read. If you read something you don't understand, go search it on google, figure out what it does, what purpose it serves. Then go back and see why someone added it to their rig. Figure out what you need and what you don't need for your own use.
Start off by learning about the differences in lifts. Don't worry about brands until you have a grasp of what you need to properly run the lift height you want. Then once you know what you need for that height, search for build write ups, or just search like: adjustable track bar tj. That's what I do and I usually get good results.
I know that's alot to take in. Trust me, just a year ago I was in your shoes, pretty confused and over-whelmed. Ha but if you have any questions feel free to ask me, if I don't know the answer, I'll try to go find it for you. Never hurts to learn more
This is why I love the Jeep community! Hahaha you guys are truly the best. I have a good friend who has a thorough background in jeeps and I'm going to help him lift his jeep, then after that do mine. Thanks for all the help I appreciate everything, ill let you know how everything goes!
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:39 PM   #16
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Good luck! Getting a little experience never hurts. And honestly working on a jeep is the absolute best way to learn about them. Pictures just don't stand up to real life experience. Have fun with it!
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:33 PM   #17
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Just a quick thought.

the RE 3.5" springs are ~600. you still have to get shocks. For example a set of Bilsteins for around 350. that might make it out of your price range.

Rubicon Express 3.5" Standard Suspension System for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

But you've gotten a lot of constructive help so far. Just throwing this set up out there.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:30 PM   #18
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Do what I did. Especially if you don't do a lot of wheeling or anything. Plus, it's relatively inexpensive and still quality parts
Read this, this is what I did
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/did-...se-150213.html
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:33 PM   #19
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Go with a 3 inch Zone lift kit. I just ordered one and it cost me $470.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:42 PM   #20
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I've heard Zone isn't that Good.
Just remember when you order a kit... You get what you pay for. Cheap price on lifts mean cheap lifts.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:12 PM   #21
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Well I had just read a couple reviews on the lift review sticky thread. Everyone that has one on there seems pretty satisfied with it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:30 PM   #22
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if you just wanna have a lift to fit 33s and drive as a daily driver a skyjacker 4inch or Rough country 4in, is a good start but after you do the lift you'll wanna address the drive line issues/vibrations..etc once you get sick of the vibes... i went that route,kit was fairly complete, but my jeep was already having mounts broken when it was stock so i didnt wanna use there track bar relocation methods so i bought 2 adjustable ones. now its been about a yr after lift still can drive fairly good at 70+ had to add a few washers to tcase drop to make it actually a 2 inch drop. i just bought adjust. rear upper control arms and a new transfer case with sye on it already just need a new rear driveshaft.... but keep reading everyone is happy with their own lift.. i am happy with the skyjacker one, but they all need additional mods or pieces from other brands depending on your budget... goodluck
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:30 AM   #23
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For your price I would go with the zone 3 inch or the 4.25 combo. You could go with a 3 inch and trim your flares to give flex for 33s or go with the 4.24 combo and be fine. I was set on that kit until a buddy of mine offered a 4 inch skyjacker for dirt cheap. The jeep it came off of had a t case drop no sye or diveshaft, so it could be done but idk how long itl last. Your best bet would be to stay 3 inch or less suspension and a 1 inch body. I have seen so many people happy with zone that I wouldn't be at all afraid to get one.
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I ordered a ZONE 4.25" Combo lift with steering stabilizer, nitro shocks, and a RE adjustable track bar for around $700.00 from the user AOR on here (excellent service). I have not installed the body lift or MML yet. I have 33" tires on mine and have had no problems at all with rubbing or vibrations. I have done some light trails so i cannot account for flex but the kit seems incredibly well built. Zone uses the same products as BDS and I have never heard anything bad about them. From experience I can say that the springs and shocks that came with mine ride as smooth as a Jeep should. Perfect for everyday use, easy to install, and won't break the bank. Whatever you go with have fun. If you have never done a lift the Zone instructions are pretty straight forward and you can do it with a reasonable set of tools and a jack/jack stands, but it does help to watch a video online.
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Once you get past the basic 2" lifts where adj. control arms, track bars, SYE, gears, etc., come in to play, it gets real expensive real quick.

Keep in mind that many believe if your Jeep is a daily driver, and you only go off road on mild trails a couple times a month, you can get by with a "cheap" lift. This is backa$$ward thinking, IMO. Inferior (cheap) bushings and joints will be very annoying and noisy on the road. My cheap flex joint control arms are an example.

Keep it simple until you can get the right stuff.

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