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Old 05-05-2011, 08:42 PM   #1
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Talking Hendog's '99 TJ build. Help me spend $6,000!!!

I thought I'd start a "my build" thread and condense a couple of the threads I have going.

My TJ:
- 1999 Sport
- 4.0
- 5 Speed
- 3.07 Gears
- Dark Green/Tan Interior/Tan Top (needs to be replaced)
- Stock Spare Tire


Current Mods:
- 3" Zone Suspension Lift
- 33" Baja MTZ tires
- Zone Steering Stabalizer


Goals:
- Go anywhere trail rig.
- Not my daily driver.
- Comfortable enough to drive the 50 highway miles to and from work on occasion.
- I also want to comfortably drive the 3 hours to the offroad park, wheel all day and drive the 3 hours back home in relative comfort.
- Probably going 35" tires at some point.
- Rear bumper with tow receiver and tire carrier that can handle a 35" tire.


Budget:
- About 5-6k additional (starting now).


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My immediate issue is the gearing. It is horrible and I'm torn.

Do I want to spend $1,500-$1,800 regearing and installing a Trutrac in a fragile Dana 35 rear end when I can buy a new and complete Dana 44 with the right gearing (4.56) and Trutrac already installed for $2,100?

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Right after I got it. Bone stock!
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Another option is the Super 35 Kit. It comes with a locker and the gearing of you choice. If you are NEVER going to go past 35's, you wont break it. Then just put Chromo shafts in your front 30, regear it and maybe another locker.
Short of a super 35 kit. Its a waste to put a dime into a dana 35..
Spend the rest of your money on under armor, tummy tuck, control arms and a drive shaft.
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Also need to do something about the fender flairs. Not only are they badly faded to gray but also illegal in MD as they do not cover the tires.
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Another option is the Super 35 Kit. It comes with a locker and the gearing of you choice. If you are NEVER going to go past 35's, you wont break it. Then just put Chromo shafts in your front 30, regear it and maybe another locker.
Short of a super 35 kit. Its a waste to put a dime into a dana 35..
Spend the rest of your money on under armor, tummy tuck, control arms and a drive shaft.
That is exactly the type of great advice I'm looking for.

So what is my first step? Buy a Super 35 kit from Quadratec and regear the front to match?
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Ok, I'm not seeing where it comes with gears.

Where do I buy this kit? What can I expect as far as instalation hours that my tech will be charging for?
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I would do an 8.8 rear with the super 88 kit and at least a hp30 front with sleeves and good shafts. If you want 35's then a 1.25" bl and a 1" mml would be wise. Also rokmen skids and a sye with a cv drive shaft. Rokmen bumpers and a warn winch. Oh and some gears and lockers for the diffs.
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That is exactly the type of great advice I'm looking for.

So what is my first step? Buy a Super 35 kit from Quadratec and regear the front to match?
Its just an option for you to consider. But yes, buy a super 35 kit with either the detriot locker or the ARB if you want a selectable. Regear the front to match. I would put stronger axles in the front if you are going to be running bigger then 33's though.


I avoid q-tec like the plague though. I generally call Dave at Northridge or Mike at Rokmen. Between them I can get just about everything I ever need.
I do keep a q-tec catalogue in the library beside the toilet, but I dont buy anything from them
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Ok, I'm not seeing where it comes with gears.

Where do I buy this kit? What can I expect as far as instalation hours that my tech will be charging for?
For a Super 35 make absolutely sure you only buy on built by Superior Axle. Many fakes that don't hold up.

Buy your S35 kit from Gerald at Savvy Offroad. Best prices anywhere. Buy all the gears axles master install kits everything from him. You will then only need a carrier for the front. I got mine from a junkyard.

The 8.8 option is also sound advice. East Coast Gear Supply would have gotten my business had I known of them sooner. More expensive than the S35 kit but a much stronger set up.
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Ok, once I add all this up I keep thinking it would make more sense to just get this, no?

G2 Axle & Gear D44TJTT373 - G2 Axle & Gear Rear 30 Spline Dana 44 Assembly with Detroit Truetrac for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec



And I can't justify an air locker. These things are like $1,500 each installed!!!
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Ok, once I add all this up I keep thinking it would make more sense to just get this, no?

G2 Axle & Gear D44TJTT373 - G2 Axle & Gear Rear 30 Spline Dana 44 Assembly with Detroit Truetrac for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec



And I can't justify an air locker. These things are like $1,500 each installed!!!

I wouldn't spend that kind of money on that set-up. I would by a 8.8 from ECGS.

If you buy a S35 kit you don't have to get an air locker.

My 97 TJ is not a DD. It is a trail rig. I went with the S35 and Detroit Locker in rear and Aussie Locker in front. Drives fine on road and is a beast offroad.
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hey man, im a bit further ahead a you in all this but when it comes to axles, im in the same boat. i too am looking at an hp30 front and an 8.8 in the rear. check out eastcoastgearsupply.com. as for gears i plane on 37's max, id go with 4.88's and i wanna run an ox locker rear with an arb air locker up front, these are selectable as you wont always need them and when off road, there wont be anywhere you cant go
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I wouldnt worry about the fenders. I'm in MD and all you need those for is inspection, just swap the stock tires back on for a day. If you ever get pulled over ( I'm in Montgomery County so this is rare) they'll issue you a fix it ticket and just swap the stock tires back on and you're set.
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I would wanna take care of skids, tt, sye, ds, lockers, discos, and regearing.
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I wouldn't spend that kind of money on that set-up. I would by a 8.8 from ECGS.

If you buy a S35 kit you don't have to get an air locker.

My 97 TJ is not a DD. It is a trail rig. I went with the S35 and Detroit Locker in rear and Aussie Locker in front. Drives fine on road and is a beast offroad.
So the Detroit locker you are talking about is not a selectable locker? Is it an auto locker? Is it a real locker or a limited slip?
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hey man, im a bit further ahead a you in all this but when it comes to axles, im in the same boat. i too am looking at an hp30 front and an 8.8 in the rear. check out eastcoastgearsupply.com. as for gears i plane on 37's max, id go with 4.88's and i wanna run an ox locker rear with an arb air locker up front, these are selectable as you wont always need them and when off road, there wont be anywhere you cant go
As I said, selectable lockers are just too much $. Am I looking at the wrong ones?
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Am I going to need a SYE and a CV shaft?

Is it possible to get by without this?




As of right now, I'm thinking about leaving the rear end alone and regearing w/ 4.56's front and rear and installing a Trutrac in the rear.

Thoughts?
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Am I going to need a SYE and a CV shaft?

Is it possible to get by without this?

As of right now, I'm thinking about leaving the rear end alone and regearing w/ 4.56's front and rear and installing a Trutrac in the rear.

Thoughts?
U can use spacers on ur trans case skid. I suggest a tuck + sye and ds, just get it over with.
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So the Detroit locker you are talking about is not a selectable locker? Is it an auto locker? Is it a real locker or a limited slip?
Yes real locker. Absolutely bullet proof.
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Am I going to need a SYE and a CV shaft?

Is it possible to get by without this?

As of right now, I'm thinking about leaving the rear end alone and regearing w/ 4.56's front and rear and installing a Trutrac in the rear.

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You normally don’t need SYE/CV if lift is less than 3".
TT adds clearance and counts as lift.
So I have 2.5" OME lift and will be installing a UCF xcase skid on Sunday. The TT will add another 2" at least so I will also be adding a SYE/CV.
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D35 locked with 33's or bigger is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Am I going to need a SYE and a CV shaft?

Is it possible to get by without this?




As of right now, I'm thinking about leaving the rear end alone and regearing w/ 4.56's front and rear and installing a Trutrac in the rear.

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D35 locked with 33's or bigger is a disaster waiting to happen.



So shouldn't I stick with my plan above?
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I would not recommend running 33" or larger tires on a locked STOCK D35. S35 kit at a minimum or you will break an axle.
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I wouldn't spend that kind of money on that set-up. I would by a 8.8 from ECGS.

If you buy a S35 kit you don't have to get an air locker.

My 97 TJ is not a DD. It is a trail rig. I went with the S35 and Detroit Locker in rear and Aussie Locker in front. Drives fine on road and is a beast offroad.
Why? I understand that you prefer the 8.8 but it looks like the only way to get my gears and my locker built in. Right?
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Go anywhere trail rig? Are you running fire roads and splashing in a couple mud holes, or are you going to be going slow over big rocks with tires off of the ground undercut ledges. If it was my go anywhere trail rig, the 6k would be in the front axle alone probably, and the 30, 35, or even 8.8 would not even be a consideration. Give us a little more idea of what and where you plan on wheeling.
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I would not recommend running 33" or larger tires on a locked STOCK D35. S35 kit at a minimum or you will break an axle.
I keep hearing this.



Then wouldn't my idea of getting

G2 Axle & Gear D44TJTT373 - G2 Axle & Gear Rear 30 Spline Dana 44 Assembly with Detroit Truetrac for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

solve the problem?
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Go anywhere trail rig? Are you running fire roads and splashing in a couple mud holes, or are you going to be going slow over big rocks with tires off of the ground undercut ledges. If it was my go anywhere trail rig, the 6k would be in the front axle alone probably, and the 30, 35, or even 8.8 would not even be a consideration. Give us a little more idea of what and where you plan on wheeling.

OK master of all that is offroad, lets assume that we dont all have an unlimited budget like you. Do you have some constructive advice as to what I should do?

I have asked about this idea for the rear sense I have to regear and get a locker/limited slip anyway:
G2 Axle & Gear D44TJTT373 - G2 Axle & Gear Rear 30 Spline Dana 44 Assembly with Detroit Truetrac for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

I have also asked about the Super 35 kit but it doesn't come with gears.

I would value your advice but you assuming that I'm "splashing in a couple mud holes" because I don't have the money to build a dedicated rock crawler isn't very helpful.
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OK master of all that is offroad, lets assume that we dont all have an unlimited budget like you. Do you have some constructive advice as to what I should do?

I have asked about this idea for the rear sense I have to regear and get a locker/limited slip anyway:
G2 Axle & Gear D44TJTT373 - G2 Axle & Gear Rear 30 Spline Dana 44 Assembly with Detroit Truetrac for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

I have also asked about the Super 35 kit but it doesn't come with gears.

I would value your advice but you assuming that I'm "splashing in a couple mud holes" because I don't have the money to build a dedicated rock crawler isn't very helpful.
Put the quadrajunk catalog down and call Gerald at Savvy Offroad. He will get you great pricing on everything you need from Superior Axle. I regeared front and rear, all new rotors, pads, u joints, master install kits, Detroit locker in rear, Aussie in front, Super 35 kit for $2600 all installed. I did most of the work myself. Nephew regeared for $300/axle.

The D44 in the link is ok but for that money get an 8.8 from ECGS.

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