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Old 12-07-2012, 03:36 PM   #1
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HERE is why you don't go Jeeping with only one Jeep

Since the question is brought up over and over again in this forum:

Woman suffers only minor frostbite in six-day ordeal in snowy California mountains - U.S. News

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A Nevada woman was found by her brother shivering in a hollow tree this week after having survived for six days on tomatoes and snow in the wintry Sierra Nevada in California, relatives and authorities said. Her boyfriend died during the ordeal.

The woman, Paula Lane, 46, of Gardnerville, Nev., was described Friday as in stable condition with only minor frostbite at Carson-Tahoe Hospital in Carson City, Nev. Her doctor said she could go home as soon as Sunday.

"She was one very lucky person," said Dr. Vijay Maiya, who treated Lane after she was found Wednesday night by her brother, who had set out in the snow to look for her against his family's advice.

Lane and her boyfriend, Roderick Clifton, 44, of Citrus Heights, Calif., had diverted from their trip home to go four-wheeling in Clifton's Jeep on Nov. 29 when they got stuck in a snowdrift in Hope Valley, south of Lake Tahoe, according to Lane's family and Alpine County, Calif., sheriff's deputies.

Clifton left to seek help, they said, while Lane stayed put. But he never returned.

After a few days, Lane decided that she was on her own and set out on foot. As she hiked toward the highway, she found Clifton's body in the snow. She later took shelter in the well of a hollowed-out tree as another snowstorm moved through the area.
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Levy said his office has pieced together a partial scenario of what happened leading up to Lane's rescue Wednesday:

Lane, of Gardnerville, Nev., and her companion, Roderick Clifton of Citrus Heights (Sacramento County), were driving west on Highways 88 and 89 in Alpine County on Nov. 29 when Clifton spotted a cross-country ski hut near Pickett's Junction. He decided to pull off the highway to test out his Jeep Cherokee in the snow.

Clifton drove around a locked gate on a closed dirt road, and after driving a few miles became stuck in the mud. The next morning, Clifton decided to walk away from the Jeep and find help, ignoring Lane's pleas to stay.

On Saturday, Clifton's family in Citrus Heights told police that the pair had gone missing. Rescue crews began searching for the Jeep.

Clifton did not return to Lane or reach help. After waiting three more days, Lane decided that she too had to leave the Jeep in hopes of being saved.

Lane began half walking, half crawling along the road toward the distant cross-country ski hut.

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Levy said it wasn't easy to say what the couple should have done once they became stuck in the remote area.

"It is a tough one," he said. "Here's the best advice: to not get yourself put in a position where you have to decide to stay or go. And if you do, it is a personal choice."

Sierra ordeal: Man dies, woman survives - SFGate
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:44 PM   #2
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Besides not having a second vehicle...I see several other bad choices.

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Old 12-07-2012, 03:49 PM   #3
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Yikes. That's why emergency survival gear is very necessary to have in the jeep. Yea ill never wheel alone, not worth the risk, even with the survival gear.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:05 PM   #4
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I see a movie in the making. How sad.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:06 PM   #5
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It's been all over the news here...they're local-ish to me but I don't know them.

It's sad and his death could have been prevented in many ways. Even without survival gear just a little bit of survival knowledge would've increased his odds. It may sound dumb but watching Survivorman's Les Stroud or any other show that deals with cold weather survival could be the difference maker.

If you guys have netflix I suggest you add it to your que...you just never know.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:28 PM   #6
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It's been all over the news here...they're local-ish to me but I don't know them.

It's sad and his death could have been prevented in many ways. Even without survival gear just a little bit of survival knowledge would've increased his odds. It may sound dumb but watching Survivorman's Les Stroud or any other show that deals with cold weather survival could be the difference maker.

If you guys have netflix I suggest you add it to your que...you just never know.
Survivorman with Bear Grills is good too.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:36 PM   #7
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Not a fan of man vs wild...it's basically Grylls showing off and climbing crap
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:41 PM   #8
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It's been all over the news here...they're local-ish to me but I don't know them.

It's sad and his death could have been prevented in many ways. Even without survival gear just a little bit of survival knowledge would've increased his odds. It may sound dumb but watching Survivorman's Les Stroud or any other show that deals with cold weather survival could be the difference maker.

If you guys have netflix I suggest you add it to your que...you just never know.
It's a sad situation. I have to agree with u sir. Even YouTube has some videos. I watch thewildnorth on YouTube.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:55 PM   #9
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SAR organizations invariably say your odds of being found go up when you stay with the vehicle, but someone has to know you're missing before SAR gets called in. If you're going wheeling, make sure someone knows where you're going and when to expect you back. If no one calls the authorities when you don't show back up on time & you're in a survival situation, you'll wish you had let someone know your plans.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:05 PM   #10
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Wife and I would have missed a lot of wheeling if we had waited to include another rig. Be prepared to have fun. It requires a fair amount of thinking about what-ifs. Now days we carry a Spot Locator as additional insurance. Sadly, leaving the vehicle is too often a fatal choice.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:35 PM   #11
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Survivorman with Bear Grills is good too.
Survivorman is not hosted by Bear GrYlls. It is hosted by Les Stroud. Bear Grylls does Man vs. Wild. FYI
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:32 PM   #12
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This is sad. You would think, that with a tank of gas, and your Jeep's cigarette lighter, you could start fires for days. Plus, I would imagine, staying put in the Jeep would be out of the elements for the most part.

P.S. Survivor Man (Les Stroud) = Films HIMSELF goes out alone.

Man vs. Wild (Bear Grylls) = Has a crew film his adventures. 4 or 5 guys with him for support.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:18 AM   #13
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this is sad. You would think, that with a tank of gas, and your jeep's cigarette lighter, you could start fires for days. Plus, i would imagine, staying put in the jeep would be out of the elements for the most part.

P.s. Survivor man (les stroud) = films himself goes out alone.

Man vs. Wild (bear grylls) = has a crew film his adventures. 4 or 5 guys with him for support.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:13 AM   #14
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This is very sad for the gal, and all families involved. It even saddens me a bit.. But, it has nothing to do with going out alone. Poor argument for those that insist that going out alone is a bad idea.. The couple, unfortunately, made a series of very bad decisions, going around a gate? No survival gear, no CB, no extraction equipment, ( not even a shovel ) no personal transponder,,,,, The list goes on and on.. It is a terrible thing when one has to pay for their limitless stupidity with their life.. To the OP, this is not a convincing argument to your mantra "never go alone" .. in fact, it is a very good argument for the phrase "be prepared".. Currently my wife and I are planning yet another trip to the Moab region, for December of 2013.. Alone.. Needless to say, we go into the back country with enough supplies and survival gear to stay warm, and alive for a couple of weeks, and a brand new PLB.. So stop arguing this "never go alone" crap.. Preface it with,,, if you're not prepared, or, if you are just plain stupid, never go alone, then there would be no discussion.
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There's way too many asset from the Jeep to abandon that will help in your survival!
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Wife and I would have missed a lot of wheeling if we had waited to include another rig. Be prepared to have fun. It requires a fair amount of thinking about what-ifs.
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... it has nothing to do with going out alone. Poor argument for those that insist that going out alone is a bad idea

I'm in complete agreement with coolbreeze and Rubicondon53. This event has little to do with Jeeping alone and much to do with poor preparation and poor decisions.




My condolences go out to the family and friends of the decedent.
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:01 AM   #17
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always bring a buddy, always have a 24 hour kit, dress appropriately, and ALWAYS tell someone where your going and when you'll be home. this incident was the result of not just one bad decision, but many. however, we can learn from their mistakes.

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